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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8150 Posts
December 22 2010 04:39 GMT
#141
honestly stork has been doing pretty well lately but he's just been so inconsistent all year and really didnt even matter in the leagues until last season's OSL.

for the 1st 2/3 of 2010, it was all about kal and free for protoss.
Free Palestine
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:53:52
December 22 2010 06:51 GMT
#142
On December 22 2010 11:54 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 11:34 Zaxro wrote:
On December 22 2010 10:04 kamikami wrote:
On December 22 2010 09:54 mustaju wrote:
On December 22 2010 09:50 kamikami wrote:
On December 22 2010 09:41 FuRong wrote:
I voted Stork to counter the Bisu fanboys, but after reading Ideas' post I agree that it should probably go to Kal. Although his performance has been pretty average in PL, he did record wins over some top players and he has the best Protoss record in individual leagues.


Yeah, the favorite punching bag of Jaedong being the best Protoss of the year, how stupid of an idea. It's either Stork or Bisu, and if you are not a Protoss fan, why bother voting at all.


Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you?


Because being owned 0-3 by Jaedong in a humiliated way is a great shame to the Protoss fan base, that made the fans hate him, or else he would have more fans than both Bisu and Stork considering his achievement.

I already said that Stork is the best of this year, and if Bisu win this it's just because of the fanboys. Stork almost beat Jaedong in the semi-final and although he lost he lost in a spectacular fashion, thus saving the Protoss pride (unlike Kal who got humiliated every time). The best Protoss is the one that makes us proud, not the one that makes us feel humiliated by Zerg and Terran.



How the fuck is losing 3-0 to Flash and Jaedong in the semifinals worse than playing too shit to even play them in a BoX? Bisu didn't even get to the Ro8 a single time the entire year whereas Kal/Free got to Semis twice this year. I'm sorry but there is no way you can possibly think Bisu's individual league accomplishments are anything but laughable compared to Kal's/Free's this year.

Also your point about having more fans than Stork/BIsu is silly. Its not like all of these players suddenly started playing this year, fanbases get built up over time. Bisu/Stork are much higher than Free/Kal in terms of best protoss ever, but for this year hell no.

Bisu has been doing fucking amazing in 10-11 PL so far (as well as pretty good in 09-10 PL playoffs) but this is an award for the entire year. If this were awarded before the start of this season the thought of giving it to Bisu would have been hilarious.

I think it should be
1.Stork
2.Kal
3.Free
4.Bisu
but 1-3 are really close and could be in any order (though Free's recent slumping since the start of R2 makes his case for best weaker)

For the Record Bisu is one of my 5 favorite progamers ever so it isn't like I hate him or anything (and btw I play protoss and typically root for protoss players so don't even try using that irrelevant argument)


Anywhere in my post mentioning that Bisu is the best ? I said Stork is the best and explained why. I said Kal/Free is no way the best and explained why Protoss fans don't like them (look at the poll and see for yourself if they are loved by the fans lol). My post was not to argue that Bisu is the best this year (I said that he is not the best), but to counter the Zerg and Terran fans who want to claim their punching bag as the best Protoss, simply unacceptable. You seem to interpret it differently and argue about something unrelated to my post.




The entirety of the Protoss race has been the punching bag of Terran and Zerg for the majority of the past decade of BW. Apparently this continuous beatdown has completely destroyed you fellows that you cling on to the one Protoss player that almost made it but failed anyway even in the midst of him playing extremely poorly for the majority of the year. I guess I can understand.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 07:45:27
December 22 2010 07:08 GMT
#143
this is honestly i think the worst case of blind fanboyism taking over a poll that I've ever seen on TL lol

i cant believe how ridiculously stupid the poll results are O_O

seriously this thread has made me remember why I used to hate bisu so much back when he was good lol.
Free Palestine
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 22 2010 07:16 GMT
#144
probabaly kal.. wtf lol
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 22 2010 07:32 GMT
#145
It's probably going to be Kal or Free, which is going to make Stork and Bisu rage. lol
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
December 22 2010 07:42 GMT
#146
1. Bisu
2. Kal
3. Stork
4. free

That's what's up.
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
December 22 2010 08:07 GMT
#147
On December 22 2010 06:35 Holgerius wrote:
I really can't take this poll seriously...


of course you can't, the poll doesn't have Flash in it. =)


VOTED FOR STORK even though I like Bisu better
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 22 2010 08:17 GMT
#148
I think stork, because he was the most consistent player through the entire year.
And if he enters the booth, you always know "he CAN take this".
While kal and free are somewhat, meh, they don't have the aura lol.

Right now, Bisu is imo the definitely best Protoss, BUT, he wasn't throughout 2010, so Stork.

(Bisu fanboy here.)
wat
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 22 2010 08:31 GMT
#149
Stork is the best player EVERY year. Since Effort retired that is...man I miss Hawkeye....
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 22 2010 08:32 GMT
#150
First half of 2010, i forgot about Bisu, and that's why i vote stork. I've watched that match on Match Point so many times, and it's still epic.
☺
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 22 2010 08:33 GMT
#151
Bisu,
because admittedly i am a fanboy but even so,

88% winrate is very impressive in the proleague, and outweighs his poor 33% winrate in the winners league imo, plus hes still got the highest total winrate despite being 33% in winners league
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
December 22 2010 08:37 GMT
#152
i would say Kal and i am not huge fan of him, but most of his shit in star-league (and PL) were topped by Lee2 and Effort.
then again some of his pvz and normal games sucked so bad, its a contradiction.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 22 2010 08:57 GMT
#153
If Bisu had done something about his OSL slump I might have voted for him instead of Stork. The game vs. Jaedong on Match Point alone is award worthy.
Brokenlamp
Profile Joined June 2009
United States39 Posts
December 22 2010 09:10 GMT
#154
I voted Stork, though Free and Kal both showed flashes of abusive brilliance earlier this year. Their records are even more important when you take into account how bad facing Jaedong, Flash, or Effort (the only starleague winners this year) in a BoX can be for your winrate. Damn, Kal...thats gotta be frustrating.

Kal
v Flash 2-6
v Jaedong 1-7
v Effort 2-5

Stork
v Flash 0-3
v Jaedong 4-3
v Effort 0-1

Free
v Flash 2-7
v Jaedong 0-1
v Effort 1-0

Bisu
v Flash 0-1
v Jaedong 1-0
v Effort 0-1

Additionally it should be blatantly obvious what Bisu has done to recover his record this year. His vT and even his vP play was becoming a joke last spring. So what has his team done to correct for that this proleague season?
12-1 Zerg
3-0 terran
3-1 protoss
Uh...make sure he plays on zerg maps and pray he does good if a terran or protoss pops out! Which to his credit he has...but can you really justify voting for a player who is so clearly dodging his weaker matchups?
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
December 22 2010 09:17 GMT
#155
its not any of those 4... its PARALYZE!!!!

just joking, but when stork plays good he plays good, and when bisu plays good he plays good. lets hope they do a dragonball z style fusion(vegeta and goku) and form the ultimate protoss player
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
December 22 2010 09:17 GMT
#156
I say don't do the protoss award, not until there's a toss doing something pro again -^

Seriously difficult question; they've all settles around the same skill level, doing ok, but nothing spectacular. I like Brokenlight's approach, because the scbw skill level field seems to be determined by the Lee brothers. Whatever is decided, I'd love to hear a solid case for the winner ^^
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Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
December 22 2010 09:18 GMT
#157
Bisu was the best toss of proleague, Stork the best of individual leagues. I'm gonna give it to Stork because I saw a few REALLY crap Bisu pvt's this year that looked worse than any progamer should ever play.
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
December 22 2010 09:25 GMT
#158
Sexy protoss players! This is a hard choice for me, because i like them all too much. However i would vote for Stork, as he was the most stable protoss player through the year. Bisu sucked the whole year except last 3 months so there is big nono to Bisu even i am his fan. Free and Kal aren't just that good to be called the best protoss.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 22 2010 09:27 GMT
#159
STORK STORK STORK
Bisu comes close
Kal and Free just ain't got the charisma
[TLMS] REBOOT
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
December 22 2010 09:53 GMT
#160
Bisu seems to get his shit together, but overall he's been to inconsistent. Hard decision between Stork and Kal...I say Stork.
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