honestly stork has been doing pretty well lately but he's just been so inconsistent all year and really didnt even matter in the leagues until last season's OSL.

for the 1st 2/3 of 2010, it was all about kal and free for protoss.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

December 22 2010 06:51 GMT

#142

On December 22 2010 11:54 kamikami wrote:

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On December 22 2010 11:34 Zaxro wrote:

On December 22 2010 10:04 kamikami wrote:

On December 22 2010 09:54 mustaju wrote:

On December 22 2010 09:50 kamikami wrote:

On December 22 2010 09:41 FuRong wrote:
I voted Stork to counter the Bisu fanboys, but after reading Ideas' post I agree that it should probably go to Kal. Although his performance has been pretty average in PL, he did record wins over some top players and he has the best Protoss record in individual leagues.

Yeah, the favorite punching bag of Jaedong being the best Protoss of the year, how stupid of an idea. It's either Stork or Bisu, and if you are not a Protoss fan, why bother voting at all.

Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you?

Because being owned 0-3 by Jaedong in a humiliated way is a great shame to the Protoss fan base, that made the fans hate him, or else he would have more fans than both Bisu and Stork considering his achievement.

I already said that Stork is the best of this year, and if Bisu win this it's just because of the fanboys. Stork almost beat Jaedong in the semi-final and although he lost he lost in a spectacular fashion, thus saving the Protoss pride (unlike Kal who got humiliated every time). The best Protoss is the one that makes us proud, not the one that makes us feel humiliated by Zerg and Terran.

How the fuck is losing 3-0 to Flash and Jaedong in the semifinals worse than playing too shit to even play them in a BoX? Bisu didn't even get to the Ro8 a single time the entire year whereas Kal/Free got to Semis twice this year. I'm sorry but there is no way you can possibly think Bisu's individual league accomplishments are anything but laughable compared to Kal's/Free's this year.

Also your point about having more fans than Stork/BIsu is silly. Its not like all of these players suddenly started playing this year, fanbases get built up over time. Bisu/Stork are much higher than Free/Kal in terms of best protoss ever, but for this year hell no.

Bisu has been doing fucking amazing in 10-11 PL so far (as well as pretty good in 09-10 PL playoffs) but this is an award for the entire year. If this were awarded before the start of this season the thought of giving it to Bisu would have been hilarious.

I think it should be
1.Stork
2.Kal
3.Free
4.Bisu
but 1-3 are really close and could be in any order (though Free's recent slumping since the start of R2 makes his case for best weaker)

For the Record Bisu is one of my 5 favorite progamers ever so it isn't like I hate him or anything (and btw I play protoss and typically root for protoss players so don't even try using that irrelevant argument)

Anywhere in my post mentioning that Bisu is the best ? I said Stork is the best and explained why. I said Kal/Free is no way the best and explained why Protoss fans don't like them (look at the poll and see for yourself if they are loved by the fans lol). My post was not to argue that Bisu is the best this year (I said that he is not the best), but to counter the Zerg and Terran fans who want to claim their punching bag as the best Protoss, simply unacceptable. You seem to interpret it differently and argue about something unrelated to my post.

The entirety of the Protoss race has been the punching bag of Terran and Zerg for the majority of the past decade of BW. Apparently this continuous beatdown has completely destroyed you fellows that you cling on to the one Protoss player that almost made it but failed anyway even in the midst of him playing extremely poorly for the majority of the year. I guess I can understand.

Ideas

United States8105 Posts

December 22 2010 07:08 GMT

#143

this is honestly i think the worst case of blind fanboyism taking over a poll that I've ever seen on TL lol

i cant believe how ridiculously stupid the poll results are O_O

seriously this thread has made me remember why I used to hate bisu so much back when he was good lol.

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

December 22 2010 07:16 GMT

#144

probabaly kal.. wtf lol

Ryo

8787 Posts

December 22 2010 07:32 GMT

#145

It's probably going to be Kal or Free, which is going to make Stork and Bisu rage. lol

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

December 22 2010 07:42 GMT

#146

1. Bisu
2. Kal
3. Stork
4. free

That's what's up.

lastmotion

368 Posts

December 22 2010 08:07 GMT

#147

On December 22 2010 06:35 Holgerius wrote:
I really can't take this poll seriously...

of course you can't, the poll doesn't have Flash in it. =)

VOTED FOR STORK even though I like Bisu better

Elefanto

Switzerland3584 Posts

December 22 2010 08:17 GMT

#148

I think stork, because he was the most consistent player through the entire year.
And if he enters the booth, you always know "he CAN take this".
While kal and free are somewhat, meh, they don't have the aura lol.

Right now, Bisu is imo the definitely best Protoss, BUT, he wasn't throughout 2010, so Stork.

(Bisu fanboy here.)

Kimaker

United States2131 Posts

December 22 2010 08:31 GMT

#149

Stork is the best player EVERY year. Since Effort retired that is...man I miss Hawkeye....

Release

United States4397 Posts

December 22 2010 08:32 GMT

#150

First half of 2010, i forgot about Bisu, and that's why i vote stork. I've watched that match on Match Point so many times, and it's still epic.

Champi

1422 Posts

December 22 2010 08:33 GMT

#151

Bisu,
because admittedly i am a fanboy but even so,

88% winrate is very impressive in the proleague, and outweighs his poor 33% winrate in the winners league imo, plus hes still got the highest total winrate despite being 33% in winners league

anch

United States5457 Posts

December 22 2010 08:37 GMT

#152

i would say Kal and i am not huge fan of him, but most of his shit in star-league (and PL) were topped by Lee2 and Effort.
then again some of his pvz and normal games sucked so bad, its a contradiction.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

December 22 2010 08:57 GMT

#153

If Bisu had done something about his OSL slump I might have voted for him instead of Stork. The game vs. Jaedong on Match Point alone is award worthy.

Brokenlamp

United States39 Posts

December 22 2010 09:10 GMT

#154

I voted Stork, though Free and Kal both showed flashes of abusive brilliance earlier this year. Their records are even more important when you take into account how bad facing Jaedong, Flash, or Effort (the only starleague winners this year) in a BoX can be for your winrate. Damn, Kal...thats gotta be frustrating.

Kal
v Flash 2-6
v Jaedong 1-7
v Effort 2-5

Stork
v Flash 0-3
v Jaedong 4-3
v Effort 0-1

Free
v Flash 2-7
v Jaedong 0-1
v Effort 1-0

Bisu
v Flash 0-1
v Jaedong 1-0
v Effort 0-1

Additionally it should be blatantly obvious what Bisu has done to recover his record this year. His vT and even his vP play was becoming a joke last spring. So what has his team done to correct for that this proleague season?
12-1 Zerg
3-0 terran
3-1 protoss
Uh...make sure he plays on zerg maps and pray he does good if a terran or protoss pops out! Which to his credit he has...but can you really justify voting for a player who is so clearly dodging his weaker matchups?

Invictus

Singapore2697 Posts

December 22 2010 09:17 GMT

#155

its not any of those 4... its PARALYZE!!!!

just joking, but when stork plays good he plays good, and when bisu plays good he plays good. lets hope they do a dragonball z style fusion(vegeta and goku) and form the ultimate protoss player

nepeta

1872 Posts

December 22 2010 09:17 GMT

#156

I say don't do the protoss award, not until there's a toss doing something pro again -^

Seriously difficult question; they've all settles around the same skill level, doing ok, but nothing spectacular. I like Brokenlight's approach, because the scbw skill level field seems to be determined by the Lee brothers. Whatever is decided, I'd love to hear a solid case for the winner ^^

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

December 22 2010 09:18 GMT

#157

Bisu was the best toss of proleague, Stork the best of individual leagues. I'm gonna give it to Stork because I saw a few REALLY crap Bisu pvt's this year that looked worse than any progamer should ever play.

Ricjames

Czech Republic1047 Posts

December 22 2010 09:25 GMT

#158

Sexy protoss players! This is a hard choice for me, because i like them all too much. However i would vote for Stork, as he was the most stable protoss player through the year. Bisu sucked the whole year except last 3 months so there is big nono to Bisu even i am his fan. Free and Kal aren't just that good to be called the best protoss.