EPTNot to downgrade Bisus' current skill and wins in PL, but best of the year? No.
Best Protoss Player of the Year? - Page 5
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Not to downgrade Bisus' current skill and wins in PL, but best of the year? No. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On December 22 2010 09:50 kamikami wrote: Yeah, the favorite punching bag of Jaedong being the best Protoss of the year, how stupid of an idea. It's either Stork or Bisu, and if you are not a Protoss fan, why bother voting at all. Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you? | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On December 22 2010 08:31 Lightwip wrote: Free actually is 8-10 vs JD if you include non-ranked, as I believe you should. But his wins are from long ago; his PvZ skill faded since. Nowadays he loses multiple games to Hydra. And his record against Flash is kinda awful. Kal, on the other hand, is usually JD's punching bag. He's won games off of JD/Flash, but he never really managed to beat Flash or JD despite taking a game off them in a Bo3. If this was just like 2 games in which this happened, I'd say he could still compete with them, but this has been a recurring trend. The same Hydra that is 11-1 in his last games? | ||
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On December 22 2010 09:54 mustaju wrote: Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you? Don't forget being Shine's punching bag. That's better than being a Jaedong punching bag, correct? | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
On December 22 2010 08:45 iamho wrote:  Bisu has beeen basically irrelevant all year. His winrate is inflated because he doesn't play too many of his team's ace matches and he never gets far enough to play the good opponents in individual leagues. In the last year, Bisu has played  Flash just one time, whereas Stork has 3 times, Kal 8 times, and free 9 times. imo: 1. Stork 2. Kal 3. Free 4. Bisu 1-3 can be arguably switched around, but there's no way bisu should be anywhere up there. Hell, even  Shine has been as good in proleague as bisu and far better in individual leagues.this is pretty spot-on imo also poor free, having to face flash 9 times  | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
On December 22 2010 09:59 IntoTheWow wrote: The same Hydra that is 11-1 in his last games? Remember Free's PvZ? I think that if that skill was the same as the one he displays nowdays his games against Hydra would atleast been very hard fought, if not won by Free, | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:00 Monkeyshark wrote: Don't forget being Shine's punching bag. That's better than being a Jaedong punching bag, correct? If you want to bring that up, Kal is 0-4 against Shine. Come to think of it, I don't think Shine has a losing record against ANY top protoss. Yet he only has a 50%-ish winrate. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On December 22 2010 09:54 mustaju wrote: Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you? Because being owned 0-3 by Jaedong in a humiliated way is a great shame to the Protoss fan base, that made the fans hate him, or else he would have more fans than both Bisu and Stork considering his achievement. I already said that Stork is the best of this year, and if Bisu win this it's just because of the fanboys. Stork almost beat Jaedong in the semi-final and although he lost he lost in a spectacular fashion, thus saving the Protoss pride (unlike Kal who got humiliated every time). The best Protoss is the one that makes us proud, not the one that makes us feel humiliated by Zerg and Terran. | ||
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:03 Lightwip wrote: If you want to bring that up, Kal is 0-4 against Shine. Oh I'm sorry, I thought you guys were talking about individual leagues since Kal most lost(to Jaedong) would come from there. Edit to clarify myself. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13092 Posts
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
PvT : Stork. Sure Kal beat Flash but his PvT seems a bit gimmicky. Bisu is really shaky in this matchup. PvP : Tossup between the three? | ||
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structuralinertia
Australia1426 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:16 structuralinertia wrote: apparently 140+ people thought this was a "protoss with best hair" poll? No, else Paralyze would be #1. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
Kal was good, but whats the point of beating scrubs when you are like 0-10 against all top players. Stork is only good when Bisu does well, thats the way the world is. free is rubbish | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:07 SkelA wrote: This poll turned into "which protoss got the most fanboys " . Yeah the amount of votes Kal and Free got are ridiculous. Either that or people are just judging who's playing the best at the moment not looking at their year's accomplishments | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 22 2010 09:54 mustaju wrote: Why would you feel offended by the objectivity of an non-protoss fan? If anything, he'd be less fanboyish about his decisions. If you call Kal the punching bag of Jaedong and Flash, I could easily reply by calling Bisu the punching bag of Frozean and Sea. Which one sounds more "Best Protoss-worthy" to you? Basically...unless you're a huge fanboy there's no way you can argue that Bisu was the best protoss for 2010 because he spent 3/4 of the whole year sitting around getting manner CCed by Frozean, getting kicked out by go.go again, getting destroyed by Firebathero, and generally performing like shit all round. Objectively, Free and Kal were the most successful protoss players and I'd probably say that Kal was the "best" protoss of 2010. He might have got destroyed by Jaedong and Flash a few too many times, but he had a fairly decent proleague record (none of them had a great one) and constantly made his mark in individual leagues. On December 22 2010 10:04 kamikami wrote: Because being owned 0-3 by Jaedong in a humiliated way is a great shame to the Protoss fan base, that made the fans hate him, or else he would have more fans than both Bisu and Stork considering his achievement. I already said that Stork is the best of this year, and if Bisu win this it's just because of the fanboys. Stork almost beat Jaedong in the semi-final and although he lost he lost in a spectacular fashion, thus saving the Protoss pride (unlike Kal who got humiliated every time). The best Protoss is the one that makes us proud, not the one that makes us feel humiliated by Zerg and Terran. Yeah real proud of a guy who doesn't know when to build a second cannon. They're all the same really, they all lose in stupid ways. Bisu less so but he didn't really do anything until the start of 09-10 proleague and even then he got busted out of the OSL already. Stork is a cool guy but if he actually had a work ethic, maybe he'd be truly amazing but he just spends time on stupid cellphone games. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:03 Lightwip wrote: If you want to bring that up, Kal is 0-4 against Shine. Come to think of it, I don't think Shine has a losing record against ANY top protoss. Yet he only has a 50%-ish winrate. For standard events, 53%; counting offlines (which I tend to think we should) bumps it up to 60%. As a Shine fanboy, I can say the problem is that for his first few years he was an absolutely terrible ZvT player, and it still shows up in his overall record even though he's gotten (relatively) much better - on a 9-1 (with offlines) streak right now. Though it's still not "good" - I mean, it's to the point where he can beat Sea, but still bad enough to lose to Mind. | ||
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Jaester88
United States143 Posts
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