Yeah...adding uppkeep makes you want to dont make too many units, and blizzards intension is probably to make it even more micro-intense. Good thought. Too bad it didnt work -_-

Filthy.

57 Posts

September 10 2004 19:45 GMT

#47

i want 1d, i mean everyone knows 3d is crap right and 2d is DA shizzzz cos like its 1 dimension less so can u imagine if there was 1 less dimension imagine the l33tttt micro that could ensue

seriously though id like to see sc2 to be more like w3 than bw with a strong focus on micro instead of macro because i think micro is more fun.

Orome

Switzerland11984 Posts

September 10 2004 19:54 GMT

#48

On September 11 2004 04:10 Art_Of_Rizzoni wrote:
what's autocast?

Like heal in BW. Medics do it automatically. Imagine what this would mean in SC. Get 50 ghosts, get lockdown, lockdown fifty goons in 1 sec...

Or get templars and psy storm and see all your storms wasted on one scouting ling...

Or get MC and the DA, instead of MCing the shuttle, the DA MCs the Goon...

Or get consume and have your defiler consuming your ultras instead of your lings.

I'm not saying, it's generally a bad idea, but with the spells that SC has, it would just suck ass.

mdb

Bulgaria4059 Posts

September 10 2004 20:00 GMT

#49

I dont think that SC2 is needed. Whatever Blizzard makes it will be disapoinment. I thin entirely new game should be made.

aseq

Netherlands3992 Posts

September 10 2004 20:03 GMT

#50

In wc3, i see more and more frequently ppl just killing off their own units when their opponent has a new tech (hunts vs ghoul/garg eg). This is crazy, and should not be allowed to happen.
I was always against upkeep, But there may be a better way: If you are above some limit, a gold mine only gets you 7 gold per worker, BUT this peon only takes 7 out of the mine also, and the mine will last longer. So in order to support a larger army you would need more map control, which would then go hand in hand.

It'll be very hard to get it right. Autocast takes away the need for spells at all. Hard counters are great. (rvr drop vs lings^^). I hope blizz reads this thread^^.

Ready2[ESC]

Hungary1436 Posts

September 10 2004 20:07 GMT

#51

they must make sc2 in very close conjunction with the top korean progamer teams like casper said. otherwise its going to suck

jacen

Austria3644 Posts

September 10 2004 20:28 GMT

#52

On September 11 2004 05:03 aseq wrote:
In wc3, i see more and more frequently ppl just killing off their own units when their opponent has a new tech (hunts vs ghoul/garg eg). This is crazy, and should not be allowed to happen.

this whole
-) upkeep
-) heros and item usage for heros
-) town portals
-) natural base defences
are there for only one reason: to help the weaker player to prolong the game ... at least blizzard thought that would happen.
what REALLY happened was
-) orc turtly with towers
-) militia fast exe
-) hero only techs to wyvern or ancient of lore
-) overall coward gameplay

i posted it on their forums 3 times now:

I WONT BUY SC2 IF IT HAS HEROS, NATURAL BASE DEFENCES OR ANYTHING THAT REWARDS PLAYER FOR ACTING LIKE SCARED KIDS.

this is the only thing that totally ruins war3.

DJEtterStyle

United States2766 Posts

September 10 2004 20:31 GMT

#53

God, with the shittiness of Blizzard's last two games, I'm starting to think that Starcraft was a complete accident. There's no way I'm going to register on those boards to say this, but...

Making a video game is like writing a book: trying to include the ideas of all the people who liked your previous book is ludicrous. Stop asking for fan input. Start with a vision, make it a reality, and hope the public embraces it.

booooo

Singapore372 Posts

September 10 2004 20:38 GMT

#54

warcraft 3 isn't shitty, it's just not made for 1v1 progaming entertainment in mind. It seems to cater very well to those people who like the 3v3 or 4v4 BGH type games.

Can get a bit boring watching people play 1v1s or replays though.

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

September 10 2004 20:39 GMT

#55

i hate to say it, but SC is going to be made for the average war3 player audience, not the average wgtour player audience. it is sad because i think you can make a game good underneath and keep it simple enough for everyone to like it on the surface, which is how war2 and sc and bw worked but lesser so with each blizz game and each blizz patch. if they try to control everything and not just tweak principles and fix major probs, if they try to understand their game completely before gamers get a chance to figure it out, you will have crap like war3 all over again

UniversalMoron

Finland426 Posts

September 10 2004 21:08 GMT

#56

The fact is, as someone already stated, War3 was made for the BGH-playing masses, and SC2 will be made for the War3-playing masses. Seeing the direction they have taken recently (being totally unable to balance War3 TFT, or even make it somewhat enjoyable to play), I have no faith in Blizzard actually managing to make a worthy successor to the king of RTS games.

ReTrooper

Germany526 Posts

September 10 2004 21:10 GMT

#57

Best would be a remade StarCraft with new graphics (a really damn great uber 2D engine

) and new storyline, but the rest completely kept as it is (excluding known bugs). That way there would even be compatibility to the old SC stuff, like replays and maps!
*dream*
Who wants a new game anyway when he has StarCraft? Definitely not me!

Hot77.iEy

Finland1486 Posts

September 10 2004 21:23 GMT

#58

I dont want SC2... They can make singleplayer only..

jacen

Austria3644 Posts

September 10 2004 21:43 GMT

#59

maybe the 3 games sc/war3/sc2 can become what quake/quake2/quake3 was.
on the other hand ... q3 had the railgun and no bunnyhopping ... bleh fuck it

sc2 will fail ... if they start asking this early they obviosly have no clue what went wront with war3 ... and they wont find out since most of the best developers left ...

to quote metallica:
sad but true

XDawn

Canada4040 Posts

September 10 2004 21:52 GMT

#60

EVERYONE JUST POST THESE IDEAS on that Bnet SC2 form pls, so we can get what the people want (meaning us lol ^^)

USE your time to actually register there (if you haven't) and post these ideas to make sc2 better than bw (if not bw being alrdy the best balanced game)