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hasuwar
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and the turrets wasn't necessarily a bad move..because he, or anyone, could have predict that'd he'd use hallucination..and a couple of turrets close knit like he did at his second expansion could thrwart that threat..that's part of the reason why it was so good or did he just randomly put up a bunch of turrets without knowing the arbiters were coming? because I'm sure he knew before they flew by his base with that one dropship going out at the very end.. The point in saying, if it was nada, was that he wouldn't have been going battle cruisers, he would have had more units, and he probably would have been able to defend it. The main reason it was so successful was because goodfriend was going double upgrade battle cruisers, even after (I think) knowing he had arbiters | ||
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hasuwar
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It's kinda like playing in a no rush 20 minute game. Instead of building units as fast as you can, you get gas fast, and get your weapon/armor upgrades going as fast as possible so you can be 3/3 at the end of the 20 minutes. You use the free time to get things faster, because you have no threat of dying early | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On August 25 2004 07:34 Asta wrote: i've been swallowing for months but this time mensrea banned somebody rather "popular" so i hoped most people would realize it this time. i just read mensrea's last post. just count how many insults he used. incredible... not that i really care but people should know this anyway. oh and btw mensrea: how about posting a replay of yourself playing before you actually start arguing about starcraft? have you ever played this game? edit: laptoplegacy pretty much said it. in the days of halpmeh and he early days of tl.net i really liked mensrea. then came a point where i found his battle reports and stuff really childish because they were written in such bombastic words (can't put it in better words) while they always missed the point of the game (mensrea doesn't really have a clue). ever since then i had a less biased view on all of mensreas posts and realized most of the time he's just being arrogant. i've watched him ban at least 5 people only because they didn't agree with his opinion. don't take this as an insult but i really think mensrea's got a bit too much of this internet stuff. a guy who used to put so much effort in this site can't really have a healthy life and now with so many ppl going like "mensrea is god" etc that must have been too much for him. =/ You're entirely wrong about mensrea banning people 'just because they disagree with him'. Mensrea may be biased about who he bans, but I guarrantee you when he does he has alot more reason than them just disagreeing with him. In fact, Im curious as to how the fuck you would know the reason he banned them is 'only because they disagreed with him'. Do you read the posts where he discusses the banning of various people in the admin only forum? No? Didn't think so. And I do think mensrea is often arrogant and slightly childish when arguing people(as am I, and as are most people). The fact is, however, mensrea is a forum admin and huge contributor to this site. That guy is someone i've never heard of who appeared to be arrogant, stupid, and kept arguing for no reason. | ||
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On August 25 2004 07:52 hasuwar wrote: You'll never see a protoss do that on a land map.. it's impossible. You can't fast expand, do all that tech, without getting ran over by the terran player. You certainly won't find a terran going battle cruisers either :O It's kinda like playing in a no rush 20 minute game. Instead of building units as fast as you can, you get gas fast, and get your weapon/armor upgrades going as fast as possible so you can be 3/3 at the end of the 20 minutes. You use the free time to get things faster, because you have no threat of dying early It's because he had a good idea of what the terran was gonna do. | ||
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ask yourself why the whole crowd goes wild and the announcers sound like they are having an orgasm | ||
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Denmark646 Posts
On August 25 2004 07:39 hasuwar wrote: The thing is, he DID scout it in time, smart guy and the turrets wasn't necessarily a bad move..because he, or anyone, could have predict that'd he'd use hallucination..and a couple of turrets close knit like he did at his second expansion could thrwart that threat..that's part of the reason why it was so good or did he just randomly put up a bunch of turrets without knowing the arbiters were coming? because I'm sure he knew before they flew by his base with that one dropship going out at the very end.. The point in saying, if it was nada, was that he wouldn't have been going battle cruisers, he would have had more units, and he probably would have been able to defend it. The main reason it was so successful was because goodfriend was going double upgrade battle cruisers, even after (I think) knowing he had arbiters This post is extremely stupid, if it was a response to mine. You obviously fail to get the point. "The point in saying, if it was nada, was that he wouldn't have been going battle cruisers," That is an abstract assumption, that has no practical use. Nada might had went for the mass wraith build he did vs Terato, for all we know. As already mentioned, it seems you "arguers" are eager in trying to conclude that you are better players than Goodfriend, which i amongst others, find hard to believe. | ||
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On August 24 2004 04:49 8882 wrote: nothing special IMO, terran needed more troops, Im not sure where did he move his army and if he didnt move he got out-produced, plus more vuluttank could be nice I also think 8882's point is valid and shouldn't be banned. Here's my critique to your post though. GF was aware of the arbiters, as abyss_bahamut have said, the commentators said GF spotted Ra's Tribune. If you think about it, GF's force could of easily defended against a single arb, no worries of getting SV with EMP or getting overhyped and pump out more vultanks. What he was unaware of was the pack of hallucinated arbiters. | ||
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On August 25 2004 07:52 hasuwar wrote: You'll never see a protoss do that on a land map.. it's impossible. You can't fast expand, do all that tech, without getting ran over by the terran player. You certainly won't find a terran going battle cruisers either :O It's kinda like playing in a no rush 20 minute game. Instead of building units as fast as you can, you get gas fast, and get your weapon/armor upgrades going as fast as possible so you can be 3/3 at the end of the 20 minutes. You use the free time to get things faster, because you have no threat of dying early obviously you can't imitate that build on land maps but imagine the game has been going for a while and protoss has about 30 units and a good economy going to reproduce units fast (say 2+ running expos). p goes arbiters or already did and at that point he could always use hallucinated arbiters to destroy the terran main assuming the terran can't kill the recalled units if he has produced/lost about the same amount of units as the toss. as we all know a terran can rather easily fend off such a recall by slowly "pushing" back into his main with tanks and mines. he will of course lose buildings but if he has tanks/vults it's np. gf was just naive. he either thought he could kill the arbiters early enough or he could wear the protoss units down using reproduced tanks and scvs. bad mistake. edit: notice that a single arbiter recalls exactly as many ground units as 10 partly hallucinated arbs. | ||
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hasuwar
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On August 24 2004 17:45 mensrea wrote: It amazes me that in this day and age we still have people running loose with brains the size of walnuts. The first part of your argument actually makes sense, and certainly you're entitled to your opinion. But, the 2nd part about my "trick" being a two-way street is absolute nonsense. The reason why my "trick" (as you put it) does NOT in fact work in both directions is that you were the only one between us second-guessing and questioning the skills of a world class player. I don't mind an argument. And, in fact, I don't mind stupidity. I've had stupid moments before and I certainly will again in the future. But, stupidity combined with arrogance needs to be dealt with. You're an arrogant son-of-a-bitch. A cursory look through your history of posts reveals this. Bye-bye, walnut brain. You will not be missed. I realize that saying "nothing special imo" was what set mensrea off, because it was obviously something special. But, GF played stupid. The next sarcastic response from mensrea was pretty hostile, sarcastic and unecessary if you ask me, and is what instigated the rest of this. His objective was to make 8882 look stupid, and of course, following that, every idiot had to say shit like "ROFL PWNED, GW MENSERA" and shit. 8882 responds back, and calls mensrea on his hostile post, and cuts it down in a civil manner, that makes sense to me. I'm surely no pro gamer, and I can tell what GF did wrong. (Even if no one agrees with me, that's my belief). It's well know mensrea loves nal_ra. Then 8882 makes his comments about playing on OGN. Here's where it gets a little tricky. What 8882 thought mensrea meant, with his comment about Never playing on OGN, was that mensrea was a better judge of the situation, when in fact, it's same to assume that mensrea has not been in, or ever will be, in an OGN comp. However, what mensrea really meant, was that GoodFriend's judgement was better than his in that situation, because he is a "World Class Player". That is easily mistakable, because I myself, misunderstood what mensrea meant, and thought it was just another line trying to belittle 8882. But I hope that's not what it was. 8882's little banter about playing tomorrow might have added fuel to the fire, because when you get sarcastic in a hostile situation, although I doubt he knew it was this hostile, that just pisses people off more. Mensrea said he went through some of 8882s posts and found other stuff, and I'm not going to dig that deep, I'm just judging what I saw here. But I still think Mensrea could have handled it better, by not responding with such a sarcastic remark to 8882 in the first place. As a mod, I think you're kinda being held to be a little more mature in situations like that, and judging from only this post, I don't think a ban was warranted, but like I said, he said there was other reasons. | ||
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hasuwar
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Yeah, I read a little further back in the posts, and apparently good friend had scanned the tribunal when he moved out with his first 3 dropships, and I guess that's why he moved back, thinking that maybe he did a super arb rush or something, and he wanted to defend. So, GF had TONS of time to make units, upgrade, do whatever to defend..but he went battle cruisers with like 12 goliaths and a couple of turrets. Poor judgement on his part, doubt it'll happen again, doubt it would happen to other more seasoned terran players, but shit happens, and the fact that the recall went so smooth and flawless, and totally destroyed poor GF, made it that more eventful | ||
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first, gf scouts the arbs, and hes like, fuck, im never going to get enough troops together to stop his army, cuz ive been powering like hell. i just have to slow them down, so he starts his turret line, thinking it was the best choice, but nalra just had the perfect counter for it. imo, gf wouldve been much better off with tank/vult in his main, maybe even letting his expo get run over, its still 2 base terran vs 2 base toss then, and the toss is shuttleless. ra couldve never recalled if gf had defended his main well. he just put all his money in an extreme counter (the turrets), which got countered by ras hallucination, and was then left with 12 gols against 40 zeal/goon. the money he put in bcs and turrets couldve easily went to tank/vult to go with the gols. gf just made a poor choice. oh, and i think mensrea really is out of line with banning 8822 (i am fully aware that mensrea is a mod and thus, technically, can never be out of line), i mean,the guy didnt do anything wrong, mensrea started insulting him, and mensrea was wrong when he said that gf couldnt counter ras strat in anyway. this would mean that recall with nicely hidden arb production (so terran doesnt scan it immediatelly) would be impossible to stop, which is complete nonsense. also, i am not saying im a better player then gf, far from, very far. but whoever is saying that going turrets + 12 gols while teching to double up bcs is the best strat against a 2 base toss with a large army and arbs with recall, has gone a little bit too far with adoring pros. | ||
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hasuwar
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On August 25 2004 08:12 TvP On Guillo wrote: This post is extremely stupid, if it was a response to mine. You obviously fail to get the point. "The point in saying, if it was nada, was that he wouldn't have been going battle cruisers," That is an abstract assumption, that has no practical use. Nada might had went for the mass wraith build he did vs Terato, for all we know. As already mentioned, it seems you "arguers" are eager in trying to conclude that you are better players than Goodfriend, which i amongst others, find hard to believe. No, I don't have 300 apm, no, I don't play on OGN, no, I haven't beaten whoever GF has beaten; however, I would not have made that big of a mistake, to go battle cruisers with very few goliaths, while knowing full well that Nal_Ra, probably the top tactictioner of protoss, was going arbiters, and was more than likely going to recall into my base. He played it poorly, and yes, I do think I could have done a better job than he did in that game, in that situation, because I wouldn't have went double upgrade battle cruisers after scouting arbiters so early, and expect to hold off a drop, with turrets, a few goliaths, while leaving an open, un covered hole into my base | ||
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