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It was a great move from Nal_Ra, still i think GoodFriend fucked up.
Since he saw arbiter it was obvious he was going to do a massive assault (recall) into his main, wasting a recall in an expansion is not something usually done.
Since he teched for arbiters he would lack of mobility with dropships and recall is not that versatile, IMHO the way to stop that is to lame and choking his economy not allowing him to move since he wont have that much shuttles.
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Canada5062 Posts
On August 24 2004 16:58 8882 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2004 11:53 mensrea wrote: On August 24 2004 04:49 8882 wrote: nothing special IMO, terran needed more troops, Im not sure where did he move his army and if he didnt move he got out-produced, plus more vuluttank could be nice Yes, more vultanks would have been nice. And more battlecruisers. A few more expos also. How about a few more turrets? And more factories, just in case. And, oh yeah, a fleet of science vessels, too. You never know. ummm no? as far as I remember some time before the recall terran had 3expos running and toss just two. vultures with mines arent that expensive. going battlecruisers was a bad idea imo, he could have added some factories. he just got out-produced. thank you for making the old trick with beggining with small things I said and then adding more and more things I didnt say I hate people argueing in such way. Following your logic I cant tell that horse A runs faster than horse B (which for example moves backwards), because I am not a horse or that a mercedes is a better car than a fiat, beacuse I cant build any of them. This is untrue. Even if I cant play at progamer level, I can still evaluate progamers. btw. do you secretly love Ra?  Show nested quote +Oh, almost forgot to ask you: when is your next OGN match? Oh, that's right. Never. Im gonna play tomorrow~  when will YOU play? (your trick works in both directions) I dont remember you playing in any league, so well, if Im telling bullshit you are doing it too.
It amazes me that in this day and age we still have people running loose with brains the size of walnuts. The first part of your argument actually makes sense, and certainly you're entitled to your opinion. But, the 2nd part about my "trick" being a two-way street is absolute nonsense.
The reason why my "trick" (as you put it) does NOT in fact work in both directions is that you were the only one between us second-guessing and questioning the skills of a world class player.
I don't mind an argument. And, in fact, I don't mind stupidity. I've had stupid moments before and I certainly will again in the future. But, stupidity combined with arrogance needs to be dealt with. You're an arrogant son-of-a-bitch. A cursory look through your history of posts reveals this.
Bye-bye, walnut brain. You will not be missed.
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thank you mensrea for bringing this game to my attention
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On August 24 2004 15:09 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2004 12:44 Abyss_Bahamut wrote: On August 24 2004 12:33 expostfacto wrote: On August 24 2004 06:27 Waxangel wrote: raaar, goodfriend is another mechanically good player
having scouted the arbiters beforehand, what would boxer have done?! :O When did he scout the arbiters? I missed that. You probably don't speak/understand Korean. The announcers pointed it out but here's what happened. He never scouted the arbiters but when GoodFriend was about to go into Ra's base with drop ships he scanned before he unloaded and saw the arbiter tribunal. Now when's the last time you saw an arbiter tribunal and your opponent didn't go arbiters [ Assuming you don't kill him before he can ]. (--v) Arrogant mode off plz, k? 'You probably don't speak korean' WTF is that? You could have just said 'he scanned before drop'. I haven't seen a post where you do not mention the fact that you are of korean heritage. PLEASE STOP.
Um wtf calm down? I was typing what I thought. How is saying ' You probably don't speak Korean ' at all arrogant? I don't have time to cross reference every single one of my posts for this top class manner non arrogance you seem to think I should have. I didn't see anyone else helping him out and when I usually help with VODs and stuff I like to give the full explanation. I don't just type ' He scanned '
And the fact that you haven't seen a post where I do not mention the fact I am Korean is entirely not my problem because it's just coincedence that you only see those, I assure you that I do not state my Korean heritage in all my posts. And every time I do state it, it is completely legitmate and relates to the topic.
Unless you can get a mod [ because that's all who really matters ] to say that I was arrogant in stating that he probably isn't korean or speaks korean I cannot apologize.
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On August 24 2004 18:12 SoMuchBetter wrote: thank you mensrea for bringing this game to my attention Yea,thanks.I haven't watched a vod in almost a year,but after watching that game i think i'll be watching vods more often.
Love ya mensrea~ xoxoxo
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wow, talk about pure starcraft entertainment. The anoucer going bonkers is great with that cool move by ra. I don't think goodfriend screw up that badly because he had enought defence for a few arbiters, it's the hallunications that threw him off. I also bet the crowed's cheering made goodfriend him hesitate.
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I must admit, the move had me dropping my jaw to the floor. I mean, like mensrea said, it isn't something that's done in important tournament games. Most progamers play only strategies that they've practiced hundreds of times and for which they know the timings perfectly, here, it looked like a completely improvised strategy. And, it employed one of the most underused "spells" in the game, which is an additional plus. Although I must admit that after analyzing it, I feel sorry that GoodFriend didn't have a SV with EMP ready, it would've been absolutely amazing to see an unorthodox counter to an unorthodox counter to a counter to an unorthodox strategy (hope you don't get lost :>). Still, this is why rA is still my favorite progamer around - his gameplay might not be technically the best, but he's probably the most ingenious progamer around and his strategies never fail to amaze me.
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awesome game, starcraft is still pure magic, and props to nal_rA
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nal_ra has just joined boxer in my favourite players list
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United States33713 Posts
On August 24 2004 11:53 mensrea wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2004 04:49 8882 wrote: nothing special IMO, terran needed more troops, Im not sure where did he move his army and if he didnt move he got out-produced, plus more vuluttank could be nice Yes, more vultanks would have been nice. And more battlecruisers. A few more expos also. How about a few more turrets? And more factories, just in case. And, oh yeah, a fleet of science vessels, too. You never know. Anything else, GoodFriend missed...? Oh, almost forgot to ask you: when is your next OGN match? Oh, that's right. Never.
goodfriend scouted it, it is true that he didn't do much to prevent getting assraped
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Canada5062 Posts
Well, no one's arguing that GoodFriend did everything possible. The fact that he lost is proof of this.
I just found 8882's comments annoying. It's not always what someone says - but who says it. Besides, my original rib was meant half in jest. Not my fault the dumbass decides to escalate things - and expose himself as a conceited halfwit too moronic to realize how much of an idiot he really is.
Oh, well. :O
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United States12275 Posts
On August 24 2004 20:18 mensrea wrote: Well, no one's arguing that GoodFriend did everything possible. The fact that he lost is proof of this.
I just found 8882's comments annoying. It's not always what someone says - but who says it. Besides, my original rib was meant half in jest. Not my fault the dumbass decides to escalate things - and expose himself as a conceited halfwit too moronic to realize how much of an idiot he really is.
Oh, well. :O
The thing is, even though Friend scanned the Tribunal, he was already as a disadvantage at that point. Ra was already thinking 3 steps ahead. Friend could have used mines and tried to exploit the fact that Ra had no mobile detection, but Ra had so many options with regards to where to attack that it wouldn't have made a difference. Friend was playing catch-up for the entire game.
So, with 20/20 hindsight, what could Friend have done? It seems like Ra's strategy was designed to blitzkrieg a Terran fast-expand build, which Friend predictably used. Had Friend used a faster drop build and sacrificed some economy, he may have been able to do enough damage to force Ra into changing his strategy. However, the combination of Ra's inventive strategy and Friend's lack of substantial ground presence as a result of fast expanding put the nail in his coffin. Great prediction and execution on the part of Ra.
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As an impartial bystander, I think you probably escalated it with your last sentence (about when he was going to play in OGN). If you hadn't included that, it might well have seemed like a friendly jibe. But that last bit seemed more like an attack...
But whatever, I agree it's sometimes who says it, and I havent seen any of his other posts so you're probably right about him.
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Braavos36402 Posts
mensrea, while you're probably right about 8882, don't you think it's a little much to ban him over two stupid and annoying posts? i mean, everyone's made at least one or two idiotic posts in the heat of the moment...
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On August 24 2004 17:14 Piece_Of_Pie wrote: i feel a ban coming on
Cool, i was right for once
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Canada5062 Posts
I rarely ban. But, when I do, it's for good reason. I've had enough experience running this site to spot someone who shouldn't be here - even before they obviously cross the line enough for other forumers to see. I'm saving others time and aggravation down the line.
It doesn't matter who escalated it. I've never banned anyone just for telling me off (unless it's the obvious BNet-type troll who comes in here thinking he can disrespect people at will with impunity). I don't mind a good tussle every now and then.
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ra's GODLY, but legionairre can own him 10-0 any day
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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