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Rakaka Swedens biggest E-sport site is covering the World Cyber Games 2010 in Los Angeles. We got hold of the Tyrant Jaedong after his final game at WCG and are happy to bring you an interview. Our editors described the moment as "homo erotic fan journalism". Enjoy
+ Show Spoiler +Jaedongs fighting pose after the interview.
"Team Korea has once again shown that there is a major gap between the Koreans and the non Korean players; do you ever get worried playing versus the non Koreans?
- I do not get very worried playing the non Koreans since I adapt my playing style during the games and I easily feel the skill level of my opponent, if they are good, bad or mediocre."
Read the full interview here
An interview with Ultimate Weapon Flash was made earlier, check it here.
The Protoss player Kal aka The Red Shuttle got interviewed after his semi final check it out here
If you have missed the video interviews with White-Ra and Brat_OK then check them out in this thread.
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I feel pretty bad for Jaedong, he's been 2nd to Flash all year and now he's 3rd, even though he'd probably beat Kal if the brackets were different.
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Wow, Jaedong is admitting that his aging process is catching on to him! Jaedong come back next season and rape Flash!!!!
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This is AWESOME
Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken
They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea.
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lol jaedong's fans went bananas after the two straight 4pools...
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Interesting to hear that he intends to switch to SC2. I hope it takes a couple of years though, or else there will be no threat whatsoever for Flash.
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On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Show nested quote +Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea.
But at what point is it popular enough to switch to? It seems to be gaining popularity pretty quickly as it is...
Besides, whatever Jaedong plays is going to be popular, period. I really don't think he has to worry about SC2 catching on if he were to switch over.
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Jaedong follows cs and doesn't like w3? For some reason I expected it would be the other way around.
Anyway don't worry JD, your fans are with you, whether you 4pool or expand to a questionable location. I am really looking forward to the next Proleague season.
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Rough translation...
Q: What's your take on the future of BW and will you switch to SC2?
A: I will definitely switch to SC2 because I feel it will reach a higher status than BW. There will also be more international tournaments in SC2, which makes the transition natural as I want to reach out to a bigger audience.
There could of course be some info lost in translation from korean, but hopefully we'll see jaedong in sc2 soon 
Edit: They added an english translation which says "when its bigger than BW", but if that's the correct translation then the original one is...weak.
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On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Show nested quote +Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea.
They translated the whole interview now:
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience.
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Awesome Jaedong! I'm glad he's not losing hope. I would feel totally crushed beaten by the same person over and over. And I'm glad he's not cheesing this time.
Maybe next time, he'll bring back the zerg glory.
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Thanks for the interview.
Awesome info about JD. Will be switching to Sc2 when it gets more popular etc and playing and even watching Counter Strike.
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United States7481 Posts
From the tenor of these interviews, it's really feeling like this will be the last season for BW.
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Imagining JD and Flash playing SC2....wow.
Hopefully they stay in BW for a bit longer though
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On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Show nested quote +Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea.
Even if it's not saying he's going right now, the fact that _Jaedong_ publicly stated he's open to the idea of switching is crazy.
ZERG FIGHTING!!!!!
Also, if you scroll lower there's the entire interview already translated in English by the website.
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imagine jd and flash switching to sc2 together under the same team. other teams = gg.
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On October 04 2010 06:48 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea. They translated the whole interview now: Show nested quote +How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience.
FUCK NO.
Ugh, I hope this is like what happened with CS where it goes all the big players move to CSS, then the majority goes back to 1.6 when they realise it's much better.
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The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers.
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He's gonna get mighty bored in SC2 with his 500 APM. Will he hotkey every single zergling and micro like the Overmind to pass the time? ;P
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On October 04 2010 07:11 Dagobert wrote:
He's gonna get mighty bored in SC2 with his 500 APM. Will he hotkey every single zergling and micro like the Overmind to pass the time? ;P
haha, damn man with all that spare apm we might really see some ridiculous micro from guys like JD and Flash.
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On October 04 2010 07:03 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:48 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea. They translated the whole interview now: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience. FUCK NO. Ugh, I hope this is like what happened with CS where it goes all the big players move to CSS, then the majority goes back to 1.6 when they realise it's much better.
that would be amazing
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switching to sc2...'bout time
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On October 04 2010 07:44 Pedo.Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 07:03 Garrl wrote:On October 04 2010 06:48 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea. They translated the whole interview now: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience. FUCK NO. Ugh, I hope this is like what happened with CS where it goes all the big players move to CSS, then the majority goes back to 1.6 when they realise it's much better. that would be amazing
Not really at all in my opinion. Everyone in the CS scene lost when they left and came back. They came back to 1.6, but the entire scene is not even close to the greatness it once was in my opinion :/.
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its so good to seed jd looking very healthy or perhaps its just the lighting
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Hm what is there even impressive for a player like JD to be doing in SC2? Waste of talent imo. No amazing muta micro, no ling/lurker, no swarms.... what's he going to do instead? Do some kiting with roaches? zzzzzzz
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I hope they/he won't switch yet. I love watching their bw games ^^
Jaedong playing cs :O didn't know that. Very cool as I also love that game!
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On October 04 2010 06:47 zdubius wrote:
Anyway don't worry JD, your fans are with you, whether you 4pool or expand to a questionable location. I am really looking forward to the next Proleague season.
Damn right we are! <3 JD!
If he's planning to switch to SC2, is his plan to do that before or after his military service? That's what, 2.5 years of service minimum? That'll be a sad day for me when he enters the military  .
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He has two more years on his contract after which he'll probably have to enter army. I seriously doubt he wld break his contract to play SC2 so the earliest you're looking at is 2015.
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On October 04 2010 08:52 geshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:47 zdubius wrote:
Anyway don't worry JD, your fans are with you, whether you 4pool or expand to a questionable location. I am really looking forward to the next Proleague season. Damn right we are! <3 JD! If he's planning to switch to SC2, is his plan to do that before or after his military service? That's what, 2.5 years of service minimum? That'll be a sad day for me when he enters the military .
21 months for the Army and Marine Corps, 23 months for the Navy, 24 months for the Air Force and 25 months for civil service.
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On October 04 2010 08:54 Ryo wrote:
He has two more years on his contract after which he'll probably have to enter army. I seriously doubt he wld break his contract to play SC2 so the earliest you're looking at is 2015.
highly, highly doubt 2015, I have no idea about when.. but I have a feeling it won't be near 2015.. probably a lot earlier.
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don`t know if I should be happy or sad about his statement to switch games. on the one hand I would love to see a sick zergbeast in sc2, but on the other I would miss his defilers and lurkers. : / <3 jaedong!
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On October 04 2010 08:56 Trizz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 08:54 Ryo wrote:
He has two more years on his contract after which he'll probably have to enter army. I seriously doubt he wld break his contract to play SC2 so the earliest you're looking at is 2015. highly, highly doubt 2015, I have no idea about when.. but I have a feeling it won't be near 2015.. probably a lot earlier.
As I clearly said, the only way that happens is if he breaks his current contract with Oz. Otherwise, no earlier than 2015 because of military service.
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zomg Jaedong to SC2.. <3
That would kill SC for me which saddnes me, but I guess it's inevitable. Once we see these big name BWA players transfer over to SC2 shit will hit the fan.. :D
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United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:59 LuciD` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 07:44 Pedo.Bear wrote:On October 04 2010 07:03 Garrl wrote:On October 04 2010 06:48 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea. They translated the whole interview now: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience. FUCK NO. Ugh, I hope this is like what happened with CS where it goes all the big players move to CSS, then the majority goes back to 1.6 when they realise it's much better. that would be amazing Not really at all in my opinion. Everyone in the CS scene lost when they left and came back. They came back to 1.6, but the entire scene is not even close to the greatness it once was in my opinion :/.
Yeah, CS is not the scene you want BW to be like right now, because it never really recovered from the split.
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On October 04 2010 08:28 infinity2k9 wrote:
Hm what is there even impressive for a player like JD to be doing in SC2? Waste of talent imo. No amazing muta micro, no ling/lurker, no swarms.... what's he going to do instead? Do some kiting with roaches? zzzzzzz
Ingenuity finds a way.
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On October 04 2010 10:00 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 08:28 infinity2k9 wrote:
Hm what is there even impressive for a player like JD to be doing in SC2? Waste of talent imo. No amazing muta micro, no ling/lurker, no swarms.... what's he going to do instead? Do some kiting with roaches? zzzzzzz Ingenuity finds a way.
not without money ..
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Jaedong: "my fans went bananas."
Best quote I've seen in quite awhile.
Or, to do it all internet style...
Jaedong: "my fans went bananas."
Jaedong: "my fans bananas."
Jaedong: "fans bananas."
Jaedong: "bananas"
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If JD switches to SC2 we'll get to watch the world's most amazing attacking player turn into a boring defensive Zerg who spends all game managing his creep spread and holding off banshee/reaper/medivac/hellion harass until the mid-late game when the SC2 designers think he is allowed to go on the attack.
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Then maybe he should play terran or protoss? 
And you cant compare what happened with CS and CS:S with BW and sc2. Apples and oranges. Even at its peak CS:S probably wasnt more popular than 1.6 at the same time. Unlike between bw and sc2, one was clearly superior and it wasnt merely an opinion matter. But at the same time CS1.6 & Source is why I advocate the "death" of BW. BW and SC2 cant coexist. Coexisting would hurt both. It either a great sc2 scene or a mediocre coexistence. In either case bw wont be the same.
People saying that cant change for 2 years + likely military service dont realize that Hwaseung can and will release Jaedong of the contract if bw scene cant make the team profitable. Another option is that Hwaseung Oz swicthes to SC2 and his contract will continue but now instead of bw he is playing Sc2. In any case, I dont think he will be switching just yet...
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On October 04 2010 08:52 geshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:47 zdubius wrote:
Anyway don't worry JD, your fans are with you, whether you 4pool or expand to a questionable location. I am really looking forward to the next Proleague season. Damn right we are! <3 JD! If he's planning to switch to SC2, is his plan to do that before or after his military service? That's what, 2.5 years of service minimum? That'll be a sad day for me when he enters the military .
They should make an air force SC2 team.
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On October 04 2010 10:50 Vortok wrote:
Jaedong: "my fans went bananas."
Best quote I've seen in quite awhile.
Or, to do it all internet style...
Jaedong: "my fans went bananas."
Jaedong: "my fans bananas."
Jaedong: "fans bananas."
Jaedong: "bananas"
i lol'd
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lol Jaedong won't 'switch' to SC2. That implies he would leave the BW scene for the SC2 scene. He means he will go to SC2 if it becomes bigger than the BW scene in Korea...which all pro gamers would at that point.
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On October 04 2010 19:02 crazeh wrote:
lol Jaedong won't 'switch' to SC2. That implies he would leave the BW scene for the SC2 scene. He means he will go to SC2 if it becomes bigger than the BW scene in Korea...which all pro gamers would at that point.
Sorry to rain on your parade of wishfull thinking here but he said he would switch, the only question for him was when, tomorrow, in a week or in a year.
That is what the man said
He never said he would go to SC "ifs" or "buts" or "maybes"
Sorry but that is what the man said, respect that and stop trying to put words into his mouth
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Although I personally don't mind 4-pooling and shit (I even wanted him to do it in their OSL games since Flash had been going 14 CC like literally every game between them in the last year before that), it's great that he decided to refrain from using that kind of stuff in their WCG games. ^__^ Game 2 will go down a Flash vs JD classic. Gonna rewatch it now.
Thank you JD for being so awesome!
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On October 04 2010 10:00 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 08:28 infinity2k9 wrote:
Hm what is there even impressive for a player like JD to be doing in SC2? Waste of talent imo. No amazing muta micro, no ling/lurker, no swarms.... what's he going to do instead? Do some kiting with roaches? zzzzzzz Ingenuity finds a way.
Players can't make something out of nothing, if the game doesn't allow anything special to be done then it can't be done. Jaedong didn't do anything in BW that we didn't even know about, the huge mechanical skill level required by BW just means his play was impressive solely because of that, and this isn't even true for SC2.
I dunno why people are acting like Boxer/Nada/JD etc etc are going to pull something amazing out of their ass that makes the game actually interesting. We aren't going back to the dark days of RTS, SC2 is and will be furthered figured out extremely quickly. I'm sure the BW players will be much more refined play but these days they are not just going to invent stuff out of nothing.
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perhaps he will go to SC2 if he breaks Nada's record before Flash does.
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JD plays CS?
Wanna see that!
I agree that having pro bw players play sc 2, while interesting doesn't make the game more watchable. But it is inevitable that the scene will transition to sc 2 eventually so I guess we'll adapt.
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So Jaedong is basically saying BW is starting to decline and he wants to rape international face (metaphorically speaking) in SC2?
...*watches as everybody drops a rank*
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On October 05 2010 09:02 crazeh wrote:
perhaps he will go to SC2 if he breaks Nada's record before Flash does.
if jaedong have breaks NADA's record before Flash , flash also break jaedong's record. you know flash is younger about 3 year.
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Show nested quote +Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea.
That is not awesome.
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On October 04 2010 07:03 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 06:48 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On October 04 2010 06:34 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:This is AWESOME Hur ser du på framtiden för StarCraft: Brood War och kommer du att byta till Starcraft 2?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War. Det kommer även att vara fler internationella turneringar i SC2 än vad det är och har varit i SC:BW, detta gör att bytet av spel kommer naturligt då jag vill försöka höja min status hos den internationella publiken They forgot to translate this but it basically says that Jaedong will change to sc2 when it gains popularity in korea. They translated the whole interview now: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2?
- I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience. FUCK NO. Ugh, I hope this is like what happened with CS where it goes all the big players move to CSS, then the majority goes back to 1.6 when they realise it's much better.
No one really liked CSS in the first place, they only played it because of CGS and the easy prize money. Everyone who stayed in CSS either became too bad to play 1.6 or were newcomers who never played 1.6 in the first place and wouldn't know how to play it if they tried.
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On October 04 2010 19:06 Raevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:02 crazeh wrote:
lol Jaedong won't 'switch' to SC2. That implies he would leave the BW scene for the SC2 scene. He means he will go to SC2 if it becomes bigger than the BW scene in Korea...which all pro gamers would at that point. Sorry to rain on your parade of wishfull thinking here but he said he would switch, the only question for him was when, tomorrow, in a week or in a year. That is what the man said He never said he would go to SC "ifs" or "buts" or "maybes" Sorry but that is what the man said, respect that and stop trying to put words into his mouth
He said he's going to switch as he feels sc2 gains more popularity in korea than BW. Which is obviously not the case at the moment. He will only switch when sc2 is more popular than BW.
If sc2 fails do you think he will still switch in a year? Maybe you are the one who should stop puting words into his mouth.
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Nooooo ((.I like SC2 but i don't really want them to leave SC1.SC2 is kind of easier since you can control big amount of units at once and has many new things.Especially cause zergs can now make creep where ever they want and have 6 larvas at a hatchery so no wonder they want to switch....
Let's not mention terran making twice a unit from 1 barracks at a time.I haven't tried protoss yet in Sc2 so i can't comment .But the point is Sc2 is easier and is overpowered.Sc1 is harder and requieres more skill that's why i love it.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50859 Posts
On October 31 2010 16:49 B42cobra wrote:Nooooo ((.I like SC2 but i don't really want them to leave SC1.SC2 is kind of easier since you can control big amount of units at once and has many new things.Especially cause zergs can now make creep where ever they want and have 6 larvas at a hatchery so no wonder they want to switch.... Let's not mention terran making twice a unit from 1 barracks at a time.I haven't tried protoss yet in Sc2 so i can't comment .But the point is Sc2 is easier and is overpowered.Sc1 is harder and requieres more skill that's why i love it.
you bump an old thread and insult SC2.
Wow.What a wonderful way to join the community.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
didnt' really insult sc2 that badly
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Estonia4504 Posts
On October 31 2010 17:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 16:49 B42cobra wrote:Nooooo ((.I like SC2 but i don't really want them to leave SC1.SC2 is kind of easier since you can control big amount of units at once and has many new things.Especially cause zergs can now make creep where ever they want and have 6 larvas at a hatchery so no wonder they want to switch.... Let's not mention terran making twice a unit from 1 barracks at a time.I haven't tried protoss yet in Sc2 so i can't comment .But the point is Sc2 is easier and is overpowered.Sc1 is harder and requieres more skill that's why i love it. you bump an old thread and insult SC2. Wow.What a wonderful way to join the community.
Really, as far as insulting SC2 goes, that was calling it a sissy.
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Canada5565 Posts
Jaedong brings out the homo eroticism in all of us
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Gravedigger of this topic is so epic :D
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Kinda funny considering how many people were pessimistic about success of BW pros. While some did fall prematurely, at least Boxer and NaDa is pouncing ahead proudly.
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