Effort, a progamer belonging to CJ Entus, has announced his sudden retirement before the start of the 2010~2011 season.
CJ, on the morning of the 20th, has announced that Effort has retired through materials, announcing that "We weren't able to overcome the differences in opinion during the salary negotiation process. Effort has chosen to pursue another path unrelated to gaming as his goal"
Effort made a statement, saying that "It's not a sudden decision. I've wanted to challenge myself to a different road for a while now", and said that he'd be taking a break while he thinks about what he wants to do with the rest of his life.
CJ's Manager Kim Dong Woo said that "Effort has been struggling with this for a while now", and said that "He has made this decision to take himself up for a new challenge". He revealed that Effort, after winning a Starleague, decided that he has achieved the goal he wanted to do as a progamer and made his decision because he wanted to try something new.
The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2. "It's not a decision he has made to play a different game", commenting that "He retired because he thought that he wouldn't be able to try anything else when he gets older. He'll probably start by catching up on his studying"
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Korean Thanksgiving and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Effort is one of my favorite programmers too I really think when he pushes himself he is one of the most intelligent players in sc and I honestly believe that he can beat or push the limits of flash/JD playing their best. Hopefully he will play sc2
I'm guessing not SC2 since it's retiring not transitioning as the title. July and Nada didn't get a retirement thread just they were moving and both those threads were made by Milkis. So unless he wants to screw with us it's an actual retirement.
Even if BW survives now, it's going to be pretty boring to have almost guaranteed T1 vs KT in finals.
edit: but best of luck to him in his future endeavors. It's probably better to go out near the peak of your play, especially with that amazing comeback OSL trophy.
On September 20 2010 12:07 orgolove wrote: The fuck? Effort is still an S-class, isn't he? I don't understand the reasoning behind this.
Yep, he's S-Class alright. You can't talk about the top players in the scene w/o him. This confuses me as well. I can understand lesser players moving to SC2 but he's doing so well in BW, I doubt it's an SC2 move.
On September 20 2010 12:08 BlackMagister wrote: I'm guessing not SC2 since it's retiring not transitioning as the title. July and Nada didn't get a retirement thread just they were moving and both those threads were made by Milkis. So unless he wants to screw with us it's an actual retirement.
i actually saw this one coming. And I think that my prediction for no more JvF Bw finals will stay true as well with this. Guarantee he says he's going to go play SC2 or serve his military duty. What else can one like him do?
EDIT:now that i think about it, SC2 would be a brilliant option for him. Effort is the only current S-Class player that has dropped out of the BW Scene. Yes July, Boxer, Nada, and others are S-Class, but they are older and not nearly as close to the peak of their career like Effort is.
On September 20 2010 12:08 BlackMagister wrote: I'm guessing not SC2 since it's retiring not transitioning as the title. July and Nada didn't get a retirement thread just they were moving and both those threads were made by Milkis. So unless he wants to screw with us it's an actual retirement.
Well I'm guessing Milkis read those articles before titling his threads.
Google translate says
Kim Woo CJ entuseu one ahead of the professional league 10-11 season opening was suddenly announced his retirement.
CJ with a 20 am press release that announced the retirement of Kim Jung-Woo players were "somewhat in the process of negotiating with Kim Jong Woo's comments did not overcome the differences, Kim crying the next game and ultimately chose a different career," he said .
Wu CJ Kim's exclusive one player, last season, a win for the airline, as well as the Star League, Professional League played a prominent role in the Korea e-Sports Association rankings based on two big plays on the rise and as a member of the unfolded CJ.
Kim sings "is not a sudden decision that I would like to see challenging for a new road has been," said takes a while for personal relaxation, take care about career plans, he said.
On September 20 2010 12:10 Rkie wrote: i actually saw this one coming. And I think that my prediction for no more JvF Bw finals will stay true as well with this. Guarantee he says he's going to go play SC2 or serve his military duty. What else can one like him do?
How about going to school and study? Not like he's too old for that.
On September 20 2010 12:11 butterbrain wrote: Upset Flash to win Starleague, retire. I must admit it's a solid build.
Guess that's pretty much true. After Flash lost like that, there is no way he'll lose like that again. With Jaedong and Flash being the top progamers by far, he's got no chance to reaching a finals again nor does he have a chance of winning proleague without their coach.
Good way to end your career on a high note and prevent yourself from wasting time achieving nothing. Never really liked Effort as a player but respect this decision.
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All the news of estro dying, nada and july switching over, and now effort retiring...This is depressing. My heart sank when I saw the title of this thread
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Harvest Moon and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Wait do you mean over Harvest Moon time the time or the game lol. Either way surprising to see his retirement, but not surprising that some BW gamers even good ones aren't moving to SC2 instead choosing something else.
That is a very sad news for BW community. One of the best Zergs retiring during his prime really hurts the scene.
At least it is good that he didn't say he goes to SC2...
So sad. This post-season is filled with sad news all the time. Nada and July to SC2; estro disbanding, coaches leaving left and right and now Effort...
This season needs to start asap. It'll show everyone in korea as well as for us foreigners that BW is alive and well. And hopefully it'll bring lots of new faces to replace all those who leave ... I believe~
Farewell Effort. It has been a pleasure watching your games.
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Harvest Moon and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Wait do you mean over Harvest Moon time the time or the game lol. Either way surprising to see his retirement, but not surprising that some BW gamers even good ones aren't moving to SC2 instead choosing something else.
Harvest Moon the Korean/Chinese festival. It's called Choo Seok but I think Harvest Moon is the official translation?
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Harvest Moon and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Wait do you mean over Harvest Moon time the time or the game lol. Either way surprising to see his retirement, but not surprising that some BW gamers even good ones aren't moving to SC2 instead choosing something else.
Harvest Moon the Korean/Chinese festival. It's called Choo Seok but I think Harvest Moon is the official translation?
correct me if i'm wrong though
people probably understand better if you just call it thanksgiving
i wish effort the best. i actually respect his decision, planning for the future with a goal that isnt related to progaming. i hope he does well in his studies =)
Well, there goes my favorite active player from BW.
He had a lot of potential too. Hopefully he will change his mind and end up back in BW or at least in SC2. But I guess, he ultimately knows what is best for his life. So, GL Effort, I will miss you.
Oh well. All of these players retiring hopefully just means we'll just get to see lots of new faces next season! I can't wait for things to start up again...
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Harvest Moon and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Wait do you mean over Harvest Moon time the time or the game lol. Either way surprising to see his retirement, but not surprising that some BW gamers even good ones aren't moving to SC2 instead choosing something else.
Harvest Moon the Korean/Chinese festival. It's called Choo Seok but I think Harvest Moon is the official translation?
correct me if i'm wrong though
In Korea, it's the Harvest Festival, but in China it's the Moon/Midautumn Festival
on topic: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EFFORT BW ESPORTS today is a sad day
Still, it's a respectable choice. He's won OSL and been at the top, and most likely the thought of practicing that hard just to do it again isn't as appealing. So he can comfortably step down from the high levels rather than dwindling away, and go back into studies/work as he's young.
One of the big reasons to stay would be for the money (that he'd not be able to make in an outside job at his age), but if there were contract disputes as well, that makes sense.
1 OSL is kinda weak as far as ambitions go. Even in winning it almost no one considered him the best player or even the best Zerg. Still, Im sad to see another great player go.
Effort has come out of CJ's dormitories on the 19th and went home. Manager Kim said that "He'll be sorting out his thoughts over Harvest Moon and will be available for interviews with the media after"
Wait do you mean over Harvest Moon time the time or the game lol. Either way surprising to see his retirement, but not surprising that some BW gamers even good ones aren't moving to SC2 instead choosing something else.
Harvest Moon the Korean/Chinese festival. It's called Choo Seok but I think Harvest Moon is the official translation?
Effort quits for his studies, its perfectly sound. At age 19 (20 korean age) he is still very young and has a lot of options outside of pro-gaming. I think he wants to experience life outside of SC and pro-gaming before its too late.
WTF? Is this like the first time in history that a top star title holder player active in the scene retire at his peak?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!
But I think Effort made a good decision. He has won fame and fortune. He achieved the dream of a progamer. It might as well be the time to move on to something else.
The shocking factor is not nobody else before him did this. Everybody else would have used that achievement to whore another high paying 3 year contract or something as such.
On September 20 2010 12:24 NeoOmega wrote: 1 OSL is kinda weak as far as ambitions go. Even in winning it almost no one considered him the best player or even the best Zerg. Still, Im sad to see another great player go.
I'm not sure how to reply to that.
On September 20 2010 12:25 dukethegold wrote: The shocking factor is not nobody else before him did this. Everybody else would have used that achievement to whore another high paying 3 year contract or something as such.
The OP mentioned contract disputes, while most other winners are usually easily re-contracted. I wouldn't be surprised if that triggered his decision if he was already considering moving on/losing interest.
That's actually a pretty good decision, it's not like he was ever gonna be making like 100-200K+ salary. So just going back to studies or moving on to SC2 should work out fine.
what the bw scene should be scared of is the top a class/s class now going "well, bw is almost dead, i haven't done anything in my life other then game. off to studies i go!". if that happens then bw is dead.
Effort was one of the few BW players I followed (yea yea....SC2 player..=P ) and I'm sad to see him go. However, I really respect his decision and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
On September 20 2010 12:24 NeoOmega wrote: 1 OSL is kinda weak as far as ambitions go. Even in winning it almost no one considered him the best player or even the best Zerg. Still, Im sad to see another great player go.
Are you serious? By my count, only 20 people have EVER won an OSL. Imagine what players like Sea would give for one.
Sad, but i understand the decision. He certainly accomplished more in his BW career than most players, and wants to do something else now. That's fair, though it's certainly sad for CJ.
On the plus side, now we have another team joining the upcoming "who get's Action" brawl, which should be fun.
This is such sad news He was definitely the 2nd best zerg on the scene, and still at his prime.
On September 20 2010 12:24 NeoOmega wrote: 1 OSL is kinda weak as far as ambitions go. Even in winning it almost no one considered him the best player or even the best Zerg. Still, Im sad to see another great player go.
You can't really say that when most progamers have only dreamt of even getting into the finals of a starleague.
Effort has chosen to pursue another path unrelated to gaming as his goal
Why nobody can read article.
On topic: I'm bit surprised by this. He was doing great in bw
Don't jump to conclusions. When Jumperer posted Miklis was still translating the article and all we knew was a title that says "Effort announces retirement". It was a natural question to ask given recent decisions by Nada and July.
On September 20 2010 12:30 Bean54 wrote: 10 bucks says he enters into a GSL for sc2 in the next 6 months
Hah! Same here. These guys are INSANELY competitive and the will and drive to play at such a high level never goes away. I honestly believe Effort(right now) in saying he wants to study or have time off but, that itch of competition will get him in the near future and SC2 will be there waiting for him. GL to him.
I think the loss of Savior and Cho are the main reasons for this. I hope CJ can recover from this. Snow is showing potential as an ace, let's see him realize it. Maybe that's why he played in ace for the last game in PO finals against SKT.
WHAT THE FUCKKKKKK!!! Nonononono........omg I can't take anymore man I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE.
Feels like......so shit and stuff. God CJ no =( CJ is just a bunch of scrubs now because Skyhigh and Movie have been sucking it up.........at least there's Snow......? Goddamn I'm sorry but fuck SC2 for indirectly killing off BW. I know he's not retiring for SC2, but still so many leaving in such a short period of time.
On September 20 2010 12:31 Shatter wrote: Ugh, I just realized, CJ with no Effort, Savior and Cho will be really sad. They are still my favorite team but a piece of the CJ heart is missing.
Don't forget that CJ also lost Iris (and Much) to Ace.
On September 20 2010 12:31 Shatter wrote: Ugh, I just realized, CJ with no Effort, Savior and Cho will be really sad. They are still my favorite team but a piece of the CJ heart is missing.
Don't forget that CJ also lost Iris (and Much) to Ace.
Don't remind me lol
Skyhigh/Movie/Snow are still baller, I have faith in them. CJ just needs a new Zerg to step up. I'm not too sure about Hydra.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
Effort has chosen to pursue another path unrelated to gaming as his goal
Why nobody can read article.
On topic: I'm bit surprised by this. He was doing great in bw
Read the whole thread if you are going to attack someone.
On the other note, I am sad/happy about this news I mean people always brought up the notion that player should leave in a positive note - Boxer was the popular target in that note - and I like the fact that he is pursuing other career choices, but Effort was THE favourite player I followed =/
Can anyone make an Effort tribute video marking his retirement?
Well... there goes CJ's chances in PL... effort was probably the best on the team...
And even though it's disappointing to hear that he's retiring, he's going to go out and get a proper education/job (granted he doesn't do his military service right away), which is a good decision for him, because now he'll be making more than a lot of the progamers in their futures (probably).
On September 20 2010 12:30 Bean54 wrote: 10 bucks says he enters into a GSL for sc2 in the next 6 months
Hah! Same here. These guys are INSANELY competitive and the will and drive to play at such a high level never goes away. I honestly believe Effort(right now) in saying he wants to study or have time off but, that itch of competition will get him in the near future and SC2 will be there waiting for him. GL to him.
Exactly. He simply said the immediate challenge is not sc2. In my opinion hes either deliberately planned this leave of absence to train in starcraft 2 or if he just legitimately wanted to leave progaming and he will soon tire of his "normal" life and see all the easy large sums of money to be made in Starcraft 2 just like Ret. With all the buzz and money going into Sc2 seems like too much to pass up for someone of his caliber and this is likely just a transition period into Sc2 for him. He just didn't want to jump the gun on the announcement and needs an explanation for his withdrawl from CJ and BW.
Maybe Effort feel he was underpaid, the uncertainties of BW programing scene and plus the fact couch cho retiring must has something to do with this sudden retirement. It would be nice if effort give more details to why...
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation. Without Coach Cho, CJ is not going to win proleague because everyone besides him are not well rounded and he's probably never going to win a Starleague finals ever again because Flash tends to learn from his mistakes very fast and he's still nowhere near Jaedong in ZvZ skill, not to mention he struggles against good TvZ players that aren't Flash.
Man I don't see how BW is going to make it when even some of the top players are leaving. I mean Nada, July, hell even Boxer all make sense and so do the little scrubs at the bottom but Effort?! A guy who basically just won a starleague... damn.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He still was one of the best Zergs out there. He definitely has been playing better since the final against Flash. But I agree that he was far from his top form that he displayed in 08-09 in proleague.
On September 20 2010 12:51 synapse wrote: CJ is done for.
Pretty much. Savior, Cho, Iris, Effort. At least we get Much back soon. Though I really doubt he will return to being a progamer by the looks of things.......=/
On September 20 2010 12:50 Chrispy wrote: Man I don't see how BW is going to make it when even some of the top players are leaving. I mean Nada, July, hell even Boxer all make sense and so do the little scrubs at the bottom but Effort?! A guy who basically just won a starleague... damn.
Effort was the first current top gamer that left.
Nada and July (and Boxer if the rumor is true) aren't a loss to BW in the sense that they're great players anymore, their BW careers have been over for a while. Them moving on only stands to potentially hurt BW by giving SC2 a huge amount of PR, at a critical time when Blizz and KeSPA are going head to head and the future looks uncertain. Guemchi/MVP (and some B-teamers) won't be a huge loss to the game either. eSTRO is a pretty big deal though.
Then again, it doesn't help that all of this is happening alongside things like the retirement of CJ's Cho, Oz's Cho, MBC's Ha and Lee.
None of these developments would have been that critical if they weren't all happening at the same time, which only goes to further the uncertain feeling.
On September 20 2010 12:25 dukethegold wrote: WTF? Is this like the first time in history that a top star title holder player active in the scene retire at his peak?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!
But I think Effort made a good decision. He has won fame and fortune. He achieved the dream of a progamer. It might as well be the time to move on to something else.
The shocking factor is not nobody else before him did this. Everybody else would have used that achievement to whore another high paying 3 year contract or something as such.
CJ is screwed...
Jaedong threatened to retire too, until Hwaseung increased their salary offer. CJ must have really lowballed Effort.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
And what these three have in common is they don't really take massive risks to exploit like Flash does. So he's got to take them on and win through pure solid play and his ZvT against these guys haven't really inspired this.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
He did eliminate Midas from MSL and then Forgg in the WCG.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.
Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
Wow that sucks. I've never been an Effort fan, I can even say I used to dislike him, but man, he was one of the few challengers for JD/Flash. I am really sad that he is retiring.
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote: Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
And you don't read the comments. The article wasn't there when it was first posted, so people were speculating.
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote: Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
And did you read the comments where people were saying they couldn't wait for it to be translated? It's obvious the original post did not have the story as you see it now...
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote: Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
Did you just look at page 1~2 and jump in here without thinking about reasoning at all? Although considering the reputation of SC2 board I guess some people are justified in believing the terrible quality of posters.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.
That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.
I am so sad... my favourite player gone. It's like CJ got gutted in the span of half a year, savior, effort, iris, kwanro, cho. Man fuck this is depressing news.
I don't really blame him too much... sounds like he got a bit lowballed (weird, seeing as how CJ should have more salary now that iris and savior are gone), but winning a SL, and being at an age where going to school is still "normal" is a really good reason.
Sad to see him go, but I respect his decision.
Hope CJ can pick up action or something to bolster their zerg line now. Or mind to replace Iris?
On September 20 2010 12:59 Nfi wrote: Lookin at half the comments here I think did you even READ the news story? Half the people say it was because he was underpayed and the other half are saying its because he wants to go to SC2 it is neither of those people read the god damn articles.
And you didn't even read the other half of the posts right? Because someone posted the same comment a page before and it was explained why people thought so... :/
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.
That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.
So not being Flash or Jaedong means a player can't be on the top of his game? He isn't Flash or Jaedong, but Effort was still doing pretty damn good and though it is debatable I think he could be considered at the top of his game which is what the original poster to this quote train said.
I'm quite surprised at how many people are downplaying Effort's success and BW skill. If Jaedong, who is absolutely monstrously amazingly good, wasn't around, Effort would be the undisputed best zerg player in the world. Right now, he's definitely the second best zerg player in the world. I mean there's zero and action, but zero has yet to prove himself in individual leagues, and action in the proleagues.
Effort may not be in the hotstreak of the 08-09 season, or even of half a year prior, but he's still in a dominate position in the BW scene. And it realllly sucks to see him leave.
Did the article mention anything about his retirement being linked to the retirement of coach Cho? Was it purely salary negotiations, did Effort consider going Free agent?
(Also, I wouldn't fully count Woo out of SC2 scene - he may just pop up a couple years from now. Or at least I can hope.)
O shit I'm at the heart of that mass quoting. If he's not at the top of his game then he is pretty damn close. The idea I was trying to get across was he is still playing at a damn high level and retiring unlike say NaDa who is moving to sc2 and hasn't hit a starleague final since 2006 shinhan 3.
Sad to see Effort go, liked him a lot when he beat Flash in the OSL. I am hoping Effort will go to SC2 after/during his studies. Oh Kim Jung Woo... your the mister mister that beat Flash that day...
He probably asked for an S-class salary, got turned down, and figured if he can't get a big salary after winning a starleague he never will. Maybe if free agency worked differently he would have gone to another team, although I doubt it with all his friends being at CJ and all.
On September 20 2010 12:28 kNyTTyM wrote: whaaaaaaat.......... Progamer on top of his game retiring Wow this is mega huge.
You could argue he wasn't ontop of his game. Sure he beat Flash in a finals series but he has playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 proleague.
If he wasn't, he sure was close. You usually don't win starleagues when you're not at the top.
He pretty much got railroaded to the finals. He struggled to get out of the easiest group ever (Shine + go.go), beat the worst series player with shaky ZvZ (Zero), beat the infamous PvZ choker (Kal), and beat Flash through a really cool all in, Flash choosing to BBS, and Flash handing over the win because of 14CC.
He wasn't in his prime, definitely not. Him leaving at this time was a great idea, it shows that he knows the reality of the situation.
He was the only Zerg capable of stopping flash ZvT along with Jaedong in his 2010 dominance.
He went 5-2 in 2010 against Flash.
Meanwhile he hasn't done so hot against all of other TvZ players. Yes, Flash is the best terran but there are so many other good TvZ players he has to get through before he might even have a shot of winning the finals. We're talking about Leta, Light, and Sea.
What Zerg do you think right now is better than Effort except Jaedong? ZvT is Effort's weakest match up but he still pretty damn good at it and his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty amazing.
That's exactly my point. ZvT is his weakest matchup and with so many good TvZ players still around there is no point for him to stay and achieve nothing. No zerg is better than him but that's completely irrelevant when the last three three Starleagues have been dominated by the best zerg and the best terran.
So not being Flash or Jaedong means a player can't be on the top of his game? He isn't Flash or Jaedong, but Effort was still doing pretty damn good and though it is debatable I think he could be considered at the top of his game which is what the original poster to this quote train said.
I definitely don't think he's on top of his game and I think he knows it - he's playing nowhere near the level he was in 08-09 Proleague where he just destroyed everyone. Beating Flash is a huge thing but let's be honest here everything besides his record against Flash is just good and not fantastic. For most of the year he's been slumping or just playing in such a uninspiring way, in fact the only time he's played extremely impressively is against Flash and no one else.
I seriously think its a dead end for him and he's very unlikely to reach a finals series again. Flash is pretty smart and he learns from his mistakes extremely quickly, he can't really compete against Jaedong in ZvZ, and he even drops games against decent PvZ players and struggles greatly against good TvZ players (his ZvT was beastly a year ago if you can't remember). If what he says is true (salary problems), then its fairly clear why he left Brood War as he hasn't really got a future in it and he's still young enough to pursue something more useful like school.
On September 20 2010 13:07 dukethegold wrote: So what's next? Bisu retires too? Kespa disband? Everybody leave BW because everybody's sick of Flash v.s. Jaedong?
Don't even start. If Bisu retires or SKT disbands I'm going to cry and probably leave BW.
Dammit Effort. I didn't want to freak out over BW "dying" and all until now, but yeah a guy at the top of his game jumping ship is a sign that things are going to shit.
This is really sad. Effort was one of my favorites and was hands down the second best Zerg in Brood War right now. Shocking and disappointing but I really want to see follow up interviews after Korean Thanksgiving.
On September 20 2010 13:24 Sprite wrote: First MBC coach and now this man not a good time for BW
More like first Coach Cho (CJ), then Coach Cho (OZ), then coach Ha (MBC), then half of Woongjin, THEN Effort.
FML this is depressing.
edit: not to mention tons of no name B-Teamers leaving the game to boot. Like the guy at the top of this page says, it seems like any news in BW is bad news these days.
The article says that he has no intentions of playing Starcraft 2 but I'm not necessarily sure I believe in the sincerity of his remarks. There's a metric fuck ton of money to be had playing SC2, but it's very possible he just wants to do think like go back to school or finish his military service or something like that.
On September 20 2010 13:25 Tekin wrote: Looks like everyone is moving to SC2
Seriously, why would you even post this? It's a spit in the face to everyone that values the BW scene. It's not like you are just expressing happiness that Effort's moving over (which he isn't, according to the OP); your post relishes the idea that BW progaming might die. At least keep that shit to your side of the forums.
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
Couple it with all the other bad things happening right now and there's a good reason to be worried.
On September 20 2010 13:27 ci_esteban wrote: Pretty crappy news if you ask me.
The article says that he has no intentions of playing Starcraft 2 but I'm not necessarily sure I believe in the sincerity of his remarks. There's a metric fuck ton of money to be had playing SC2, but it's very possible he just wants to do think like go back to school or finish his military service or something like that.
I think it's pretty obvious that he just wants to leave professional gaming behind. Which is sad, but admirable. Yes you can win a lot of money in SC2 and Brood War, but at some point you'll have to move on to something else in your life. Take up a career of some sort. It seems like Effort has decided to get a head start on that part of his life.
With that said, if he comes back out and says he's actually moving to SC2 and that he just lied about leaving professional gaming then he will no longer be one of my favorites. Moving to SC2 wouldn't be so bad, but lying about your intentions is fucked up.
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
Yeah, this. He was able to accomplish more than 99% of the other "BW hopefuls" that have moved on. I'd rather him leave on a high note than not have his heart in it for 2-3 more years and just disappoint everyone who cheers for him.
On September 20 2010 13:32 Trap wrote: I wonder if he bombed WCG on purpose so he wouldn't have to go then. I remember being pretty surprised he lost to Kal of all people.
I doubt it. For one, he could still choose to retire and the spot would have gone to #4 (or CJ would have sent someone else in his place), and also had he placed #3 in WCG Korea it would have only helped him further with his salary negotiations.
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
It might be a good move in terms of Effort's personal life, but we're all BW fans here so naturally we're sad to lose a great player in his prime. But good luck to Effort and respect for deciding to go back to your studies.
effort is much better than those who escape from sc to w3 and then retreat to sc2 for "better prospect", since they have no courage to compete with top players and have so-called excuse--for newers and for better fan!
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
Yeah, this. He was able to accomplish more than 99% of the other "BW hopefuls" that have moved on. I'd rather him leave on a high note than not have his heart in it for 2-3 more years and just disappoint everyone who cheers for him.
It's less about this individual event and more about all the other recognizable faces as well leaving the game as a whole. That's strange to say because I'm a huge EffOrt fan, but the whole series of events is what has me bummed.
More power to EffOrt that hes not afraid to move away from something he can't put his fullest into, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be bummed about the state of BW as a whole.
This is pretty depressing but winning a star league and then turning away feels special in a way. Never the biggest fan of Effort but a great zerg is leaving =(.
On September 20 2010 13:25 Tekin wrote: Looks like everyone is moving to SC2
Seriously, why would you even post this? It's a spit in the face to everyone that values the BW scene. It's not like you are just expressing happiness that Effort's moving over (which he isn't, according to the OP); your post relishes the idea that BW progaming might die. At least keep that shit to your side of the forums.
Why are you causing problem for no reason? What about the BW die hards who enjoy both scenes? People like you are creating a rift in the community between the old and the new.
It's not an us against them mentality. We both enjoy similar games and scenes.
On September 20 2010 13:31 overt wrote: With that said, if he comes back out and says he's actually moving to SC2 and that he just lied about leaving professional gaming then he will no longer be one of my favorites. Moving to SC2 wouldn't be so bad, but lying about your intentions is fucked up.
Even if he does, don't be so harsh on him. He's only 19 years old, very much the capricious age.
I don't think he retires to play SC2 (if he does he should just announce so) but in the future months/years maybe he would change his mind after he plays the game.
Man.....did CJ really lowball him that badly? Could it have something to do with Coach Cho leaving? I mean he always cared for his players and even wanted them to get a better salary than he did. So, with him gone, perhaps the corporation felt there was no need to give such a large sum of money since Cho was no longer around? I don't even know.....just pure speculation. Sigh.
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
Yeah, this. He was able to accomplish more than 99% of the other "BW hopefuls" that have moved on. I'd rather him leave on a high note than not have his heart in it for 2-3 more years and just disappoint everyone who cheers for him.
It's less about this individual event and more about all the other recognizable faces as well leaving the game as a whole. That's strange to say because I'm a huge EffOrt fan, but the whole series of events is what has me bummed.
More power to EffOrt that hes not afraid to move away from something he can't put his fullest into, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be bummed about the state of BW as a whole.
No shame in going out on top. I love EffOrt too, but the greater cause of preserving BW is an even bigger fish than my favorite player. If he went out on his terms, more power to him.
ok well best of luck to him for the future.. hopefully his retirement has no actual link to death of bw or anything and is completely related to his personal goals.
i feel really sad now I really enjoyed watching effort. Would've been ok if he was switching but retiring is so kind of wish gaming wasn't such an "all in" career
Why is it that every time someone retires or something, everyone thinks SC2 is somehow getting them? There's a LOT more to life than these two games for progamers looking to move on.
On September 20 2010 13:55 illu wrote: Read, people. Read.
The reason Effort retired was because he could not get the wages he wanted.
That can't be the only issue. He didn't negotiate wages with any other team who might've been more willing to pay out for a high tier zerg (KT WHO LOST LUXURY'S EXPENSES COUGH :o ).
Even with poor pay he obviously thought of this a long time coming.
guys, do keep in mind that this is the proleague post-season, where all of this stuff tends to take place. while the advent of sc2 is certainly a leading cause in these decisions thus far, the frequency of retirements etc is far more closely related to the proleague offseason. that's how pro bw goes, don't think too much of it!
Wow massive blow to CJ. Effort was always one of my favourite zergs. Great game-play and he seemed to have a cute personality from interviews and pictures.
Given how he struggled for a while before coming back and winning a star-league, one can see why he may want to get out. Solid reasoning for wanting to achieve some balance in his life by doing other things like study. Commendable decision but obviously a big loss for us.
Sad that salary negotiations were mentioned as a factor though. But seeing as it also said he had been thinking about this for some time it probably wasn't the only factor.
Good luck Effort!
(Poor CJ : /. I'm not a major fan but it sucks to lose your Ace and mainstay player. Imagine if Oz lost Jaedong or Hite lost Leta? Poor CJ. Well at least they still have a lot of solid A-teamers. This makes them more like WeMade. Hopefully they all rise to the challenge togther *fingers crossed*)
On September 20 2010 13:29 sely wrote: Why is it so hard to believe that someone would like to do something other than play BW for 12 hours a day? No reason for anyone to feel bad.
Yeah, this. He was able to accomplish more than 99% of the other "BW hopefuls" that have moved on. I'd rather him leave on a high note than not have his heart in it for 2-3 more years and just disappoint everyone who cheers for him.
It's less about this individual event and more about all the other recognizable faces as well leaving the game as a whole. That's strange to say because I'm a huge EffOrt fan, but the whole series of events is what has me bummed.
More power to EffOrt that hes not afraid to move away from something he can't put his fullest into, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be bummed about the state of BW as a whole.
Oh yeah, definitely... we should all be bummed out by it, just saying I don't mind the individual reasons Effort did it.
On September 20 2010 14:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: guys, do keep in mind that this is the proleague post-season, where all of this stuff tends to take place. while the advent of sc2 is certainly a leading cause in these decisions thus far, the frequency of retirements etc is far more closely related to the proleague offseason. that's how pro bw goes, don't think too much of it!
Your post makes me feel better already. Thanks FS .
On an optimistic note, with players retiring/moving on it gives us the possibility of fresh blood and new faces.
the only person who can defeat the bonjwa retires, but im proud for effort that he wants to further his life by whatever means he believes is necessary.
Kid retired when he was ontop (or at least the height of his career anyway), that's kinda a good way to go out. Will miss his play though, when he as good he was good.
On September 20 2010 13:25 Tekin wrote: Looks like everyone is moving to SC2
Seriously, why would you even post this? It's a spit in the face to everyone that values the BW scene. It's not like you are just expressing happiness that Effort's moving over (which he isn't, according to the OP); your post relishes the idea that BW progaming might die. At least keep that shit to your side of the forums.
Why are you causing problem for no reason? What about the BW die hards who enjoy both scenes? People like you are creating a rift in the community between the old and the new.
It's not an us against them mentality. We both enjoy similar games and scenes.
Yes, I am against someone that wants "everyone" to move to SC2. Read my post. It wasn't an attack against people that were happy about individual people like Boxer moving over.
I'm causing a problem because it upsets me that someone would come into a BW forum and put a smiley face next to the idea of BW dying. It's rude as hell.
gotta say, i'm all for this decision. you'd have to think the chances he never wins another starleague are better than the chances of winning another one, so what's left to prove? good way to go out, imo. best of luck to him
On September 20 2010 14:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: guys, do keep in mind that this is the proleague post-season, where all of this stuff tends to take place. while the advent of sc2 is certainly a leading cause in these decisions thus far, the frequency of retirements etc is far more closely related to the proleague offseason. that's how pro bw goes, don't think too much of it!
Steve I like your post and its contents and I really really want to believe, but I simply don't.
On September 20 2010 14:50 NovemberZerg wrote: kt vs skt1 proleague this season forsure o.o;
Yeah, depending on how trades end up, we're currently looking at this (in no particular order):
KT - yellow and reach are home, baby. SKT - v1.1, now w/ more ling all-ins. STX - about the same. WeMade - about the same. Khan - about the same. Woongjin - -kwanro. CJ - new coach, -effort. MBC - new coach Oz - new coach, anytime. Hite - still a mess from last season. ACE - rock, fbh and ggaemo, lol. eSTRO - possibly gone altogether
Probably a good decision. He has an OSL trophy to commemorate his days with BW, now he can get on with 'real life' and maybe study one of his passions. I will miss his play, though. One of my all-time favourite zergs to watch.
The mind-game effort played in this game against flash truly excited me for what he could pull off in the future. I cannot think of a player in who decided to hang it up during such a high point in their career. Although I am disappointed to see him go I hope he kicks some ass at whatever he undertakes next.
the whole sweatshop training is catching up with bw, i suppose now it snowballs and jd accepts that hes no. 2 forever and ever then flash without adequate competition just walks away secure in the knowledge that bw ended with him at the top talk about getting bit by the ultimate osl curse.
On September 20 2010 15:49 ProHellZerg wrote: Come on, guys. You know that pro-gaming career is SHORT. You will never see a 60-year-old or older pro-gamer ever in reality.
i hope effort saved his salaries and winnings, althought im sadden by the retirement but a bit relieved for it too, at least effort is somewhat knows what his priorities are.
On September 20 2010 15:49 ProHellZerg wrote: Come on, guys. You know that pro-gaming career is SHORT. You will never see a 60-year-old or older pro-gamer ever in reality.
"We weren't able to overcome the differences in opinion during the salary negotiation process. Effort has chosen to pursue another path unrelated to gaming as his goal"
I'm shocked, even if they say that SC2 is not the cause of the retirement : the result is the same, SC programer scene is dying slowly. Anyway, i hope Effort will find what he wants and be happy in his other project career. Actually, i think he is quite down to the earth because he has enough hindsight to understand that when you are older than 21-22 you can compete in starcraft.
On September 20 2010 13:16 konadora wrote: i dunno i just find it hilarious that he wins an OSL then decides to retire so quickly afterwards
I guess this is the best option - not to mention an awesome exit - for Effort.
Who knows, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised by the new CJ. I want to see which of the less experienced players rise above the challenge (for all teams).
On September 20 2010 16:40 lethalboi wrote: I'm shocked, even if they say that SC2 is not the cause of the retirement : the result is the same, SC programer scene is dying slowly. Anyway, i hope Effort will find what he wants and be happy in his other project career. Actually, i think he is quite down to the earth because he has enough hindsight to understand that when you are older than 21-22 you can compete in starcraft.
bye bye Effort, you have all my respect.
First: I'm going to assume you meant "cant" and not "can" in the 2nd to last sentence because it doesn't make sense otherwise.
Yes, you can. Age really doesn't have anything to do with it. Nada was in the top 30 rankings for like 7 years. It is just people get burnt out from playing the game so much. Top players lose motivation often when they become the best/or win something. And once player loses motivation they will start to practice less and have less of a competitive drive and will eventually fall behind. And it is probably harder to motivate yourself to get back to top form than it was getting there in the first place. Really, I think dedication is the limiting factor more than age. It takes someone with very strong willpower and dedication to remain in the top ranks for so long.
I'm devastated, so many bad news in a row. I feel so attached to the scene that every one of these news feels either like a loss of a friend or a betrayal to me (in the case of switching to SC2). On a positive note, this is a challenge. If BW can survive this, it can survive for quite a while. I'm still hopeful. Also, on a positive note, I finally admitted to myself that I'm way too attached to the near-slavery of a bunch of Korean nerds. I wish the best for Effort.
They had to state a few facts and skew the rest, I HIGHLY DOUBT effort won't try to get into the pro scene of SC2. It's just under contract they have to make it look like a retirement as opposed to a straight up leave. Someone with his talent in his prime he's going to play and he's going to win and with prize pools as big as his salary with very little competition why not?
When I read the title I literally when "whaaaaaaaat?" out loud, but reading the article he does seem to be sensible. If his heart's not fully in it anymore then it's better to get out of it quickly so he can resume his studies. Then he'll always have the fact that he beat Flash for an OSL Gold, so quite a nice way to go.
But shit, there are way too many retirements lately
My eyes went "O.O" when I saw this thread. He has won that starleague, so I guess he can say he had nothing left to prove. But still, such a talent gone.
On September 20 2010 13:55 illu wrote: Read, people. Read.
The reason Effort retired was because he could not get the wages he wanted.
That can't be the only issue. He didn't negotiate wages with any other team who might've been more willing to pay out for a high tier zerg (KT WHO LOST LUXURY'S EXPENSES COUGH :o ).
Even with poor pay he obviously thought of this a long time coming.
No they're reserving that money for Action...
...one can only hope
anyway, it's always a huge blow when a top 5 player retires. I just hope this is for purely personal reasons
awesome carreer: rooke of the year 2009, best new player of proleague 09/10 season, beat the best player of the world for a gold in the highest ranking tournament 2010, retire 2010.
Actually I'm not that surprised at all. If SC2 represents salvation to old progamers and B-teams at the moment, BW offers no certainty about one's career future. I'm pretty sure the only two progamers that really cared about BW in the last month, or basically after the end of PL, were Jaedong and Flash lol. The real problem I see is with the top players who are under contracts with big salaries, say Leta, Bisu etc. I dont think they have another choice but to wait for BW to completely die out, which apparently will happen sooner than most of us expected
as long as flash and jaedong are there bw will be alive.. as soon as the top two players leave, it will all come crashing to hell. PLEASE DONT LEAVE JVF
On September 20 2010 18:42 Pedo.Bear wrote: as long as flash and jaedong are there bw will be alive.. as soon as the top two players leave, it will all come crashing to hell. PLEASE DONT LEAVE JVF
I would say that it will be dead if players like Stork, Bisu, Sea, Light etc leaves the game. I rather watch something different than JD & Flash all the time.
On September 20 2010 18:01 Heimatloser wrote: awesome carreer: rooke of the year 2009, best new player of proleague 09/10 season, beat the best player of the world for a gold in the highest ranking tournament 2010, retire 2010.
very sad day for bw, but i think for effort personally its a clever decision. he wouldnt have had the chance to win another SL with flash and jd around, and the pl will be skt vs kt anyway. by retiring now, close to his peak, he can conserve his legend forever and he is still young enough to still go to college and continue with a normal life, unlike other retiring pros who are too old for this path.
Craziness... I still remember him getting 2-0'd by TossGirl in his debut at a GomTV tournament and then beginning to watch a lot of his games (including an epic ZvP against Bisu on Medusa, ZvT against Flash on HBR both in ProLeague) culminating in his OSL title, which really made me go: oh-my-god what just happened.
It's so sad that he is leaving, although not as crushing as Coach Cho's resignation for me. I wish him the best of luck in whatever he does.
I can understand him. Also there is no way that any good BW player will move to SC2, it like quit Manchester U, Real or Milan and join some FC in Turkish league.
On September 20 2010 19:30 Yodo wrote: I can understand him. Also there is no way that any good BW player will move to SC2, it like quit Manchester U, Real or Milan and join some FC in Turkish league.
Pretty surprised to see he is retiring. Didn't expect the top players to be heading out, but I suppose the "sinking ship" feeling sc1 is going through right now is providing the incentive for progamers to branch out.
I don't actually think this is for SC2. Probably just tired of gaming. If he wanted to stick with gaming BW would be his best option by far since he is guaranteed a top salary and guaranteed to be a top player if he practices.
EffOrt is really lucky. For a while there he was a good proleague zerg, but being something of a rookie, had no individual accomplishments. Then he gets an OSL title over Flash, reverse sweeping at that. There's no better time to be able to say "I did alright in progaming," and throw in the towel.
Don't people do this a lot tho? They retire citing that sc2 isn't the reason, and then a few weeks later we find out they are doing something with sc2.
On September 20 2010 20:24 robertdinh wrote: Don't people do this a lot tho? They retire citing that sc2 isn't the reason, and then a few weeks later we find out they are doing something with sc2.
Good for him. He got to live the dream and is getting out before his life gets consumed by it. All the old progamers who stay too long look so sad and beaten down, but they get stuck in the BW scene because they have zero life skills outside of BW. I'm really happy for the guy, and hope he does well with whatever he moves on to.
Shame to see ya go Effort, you'll be missed. I can kinda understand I mean he won a Starleague off of Flash. I mean at that point how much further can you go in broodwar? You either set a goal of "I'am gunna get a golden mouse" or.. you call it a day and find a new goal unrelated to broodwar. I am happy to see him happy so as long as he does what he does I'll be happy for um Though I am curious to see what he plans to do.
Dudes, stop thinking he's gonna go over to Starcraft 2 - I hope he succeeds well in whatever domain he chooses, prooving us there is a possible life after being a progamer.
Awesome, props to Effort for moving on with his live outside of gaming. I was a big Effort fan and still am, guess Kwanro and JD will have to do now :D
I admire Effort for being a rational and goal-oriented man. He won the most respected BW league, and now he will develop skills in other areas of life, while he's young. Very smart guy, he's gonna be big some day.
I'm not really surprised, in his interviews and in ceremonies he has demonstrated that his life goals reach far beyond any realms of the progaming scene.
On September 20 2010 21:55 Shurayuki wrote: So who said BW wasn't going to die in the wake of SC2...
oh well, one bane of SKT less to worry about, still sad because he was one of the Zergs i actually enjoyed watching.
For once, this seems wholly unrelated to SC2, and seems more to be a "Can I REALLY make a living doing this? I'm my team's best player and they're not paying me enough" situation instead.
On September 20 2010 21:55 Shurayuki wrote: So who said BW wasn't going to die in the wake of SC2...
oh well, one bane of SKT less to worry about, still sad because he was one of the Zergs i actually enjoyed watching.
For once, this seems wholly unrelated to SC2, and seems more to be a "Can I REALLY make a living doing this? I'm my team's best player and they're not paying me enough" situation instead.
where he can earn tons of money beating some sc2 newbs... might not be unrelated... who knows...
On September 20 2010 22:11 Tuke wrote: WHAT THE FUCK I miss him so badly, I'm fucking sad now With coach cho and EffOrt gone CJ isn't nearly the same anymore.
On September 20 2010 21:55 Shurayuki wrote: So who said BW wasn't going to die in the wake of SC2...
oh well, one bane of SKT less to worry about, still sad because he was one of the Zergs i actually enjoyed watching.
For once, this seems wholly unrelated to SC2, and seems more to be a "Can I REALLY make a living doing this? I'm my team's best player and they're not paying me enough" situation instead.
where he can earn tons of money beating some sc2 newbs... might not be unrelated... who knows...
Yeah, but it's not guaranteed to be tons of money in the long run. If I were genuinely worried about my financial future, I'd probably do the same in the same situation. Besides, there's no better time in his life to make this decision, rather than when it's way too late.
Haha, gg CJ. Out of the top zergs I never liked Effort and I still hate him for robbing Flash of his gold (though Flash did play stupidly). Seems like the playing field is getting weaker for the top teams now.
That's very sad. He was one of the last people I still caught every game of, now only Jaedong and Kwanro remain (No Z bias at all )
Like Chill said, you have got to give him some respect, he got out after achieving his goal and not getting too anxious to win more. I hope he succeeds in whatever his other interests were, though!
Well, CJ Entus - The coach, Beserker, and now the alien are gone, with the Maestro going to jail. Makes me all wonder if this would still all happen if Savior didn't do all those bad things, or if SC2 didn't come out. Just sad to see this happen to CJ. Who's the elder now, skyhigh? Ugh, snow was looking so promising, what will he do without someone on his team to look up to? What a great way to ruin the whole day.
*I ain't a scrub no-namer now, I am a MOTHERF**KING ONGameNet Starleague WINNER! I want 2x pay pleasekthx. NO? F**K my $20000/year salary, peace y'all.*
Man this sucks one of my favorite zergs what the hell is happening to brood war are the teams, forcing everybody to quit and making excuses? There must be somebody trying to destroy broodwar i hope jaedong and flash stay in for at least a while longer.
On September 21 2010 01:19 ArbAttack wrote: *I ain't a scrub no-namer now, I am a MOTHERF**KING ONGameNet Starleague WINNER! I want 2x pay pleasekthx. NO? F**K my $20000/year salary, peace y'all.*
Effort was definately offered more than that. Probably 5-10 times that.
His mechanical skills are already in place and he'd only need a few hundred games under his belt to get familiar with SC2 and make himself one of the tournament favourites.
Presumably it's the pro-gamer lifestyle he's had enough of (living with a bunch of nerds, being forced to practice for 12 hours a day under constant supervision), which wouldn't be required to have some decent short term success in SC2.
On September 21 2010 03:08 cuppatea wrote: Don't see why he wouldn't enter the next GSL.
His mechanical skills are already in place and he'd only need a few hundred games under his belt to get familiar with SC2 and make himself one of the tournament favourites.
Presumably it's the pro-gamer lifestyle he's had enough of (living with a bunch of nerds, being forced to practice for 12 hours a day under constant supervision), which wouldn't be required to have some decent short term success in SC2.
he doesn't want to play SC2, that's the thing. just because it would be relatively easy for him to enter and do well doesn't mean it's appealing >_> he just wants to work on his education and start a new career ^^
OMG, the 4th best player in the world leaving? Maybe he knows brood war is a dying and he wants to retire on the top and time to study now that he can and still young.
On September 21 2010 03:08 cuppatea wrote: Don't see why he wouldn't enter the next GSL.
His mechanical skills are already in place and he'd only need a few hundred games under his belt to get familiar with SC2 and make himself one of the tournament favourites.
Presumably it's the pro-gamer lifestyle he's had enough of (living with a bunch of nerds, being forced to practice for 12 hours a day under constant supervision), which wouldn't be required to have some decent short term success in SC2.
he doesn't want to play SC2, that's the thing. just because it would be relatively easy for him to enter and do well doesn't mean it's appealing >_> he just wants to work on his education and start a new career ^^
On September 21 2010 03:03 FragKrag wrote: EFFORT NO FUCK
this is the worst news since Coach Cho ;_;_;_;
Yeah CJ is a completely different team right now . It's a pity , because Effort had great potential . His APM was always over 400 and his multitasking and management were one of the best . He beat Flash in a Bo 5 to make a comeback from 0 - 2 in the OSL finals and also beat him in PL and in MSL . He could have become the next Jaedong ...
I was sure he was going to be the next jaedong a few months ago. He wins an OSL and then just leaves? I'm kind of curious about his thoughts on this issue...
On September 21 2010 04:32 Shiladie wrote: "Unrelated to gaming" so unlikely going to SC2. Leaving at near his peak, I gotta respect that.
sad news, he prob been watching osl and msl finals trying to find a weekness in flashes play... So i guess he didn't find one and pulled a preemptive gg
That's really something. Devoting first his life to become a progamer, live the passion and your dreams, and after you achieved it, step back and search another challange. WoW.
On September 21 2010 04:35 Esper[mb] wrote: sad news, he prob been watching osl and msl finals trying to find a weekness in flashes play... So i guess he didn't find one and pulled a preemptive gg
Hm yes that must be why the last 3-4 times they played efford won :O.
I'll miss you effort you were one of my favorite zergs!
damn, would of loved to see him try out sc2 oh well i still hope he's gonna try it sometime and it will be sucessful for him, he was pretty fun to watch play in bw.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? Omg wow this is shocking, the guy was still near his peak. Btw I know that he'll deny it but I still wonder if the decision was at least in part because of the shrinking BW scene?Considering all the sacrifices progamers make and the dedication / ridiculous training they go through, a lot of them must question if their effort is worth it now considering how BW scene is shrinking and how big the possibility that ther won't even be another SPL
Figures. It was probably a good decision by him considering everything. CJ with the shrinking BW scene doesn't want to pay him much and Effort seeing the writing on the wall for BW retires. Effort's still young enough to go to college and play SC2 part time.
Effort made a really smart decision. If you don't want to be a coach or a commentator (what really is the likelihood of those things given how many otherwise unskilled retired gamers there are) he really should get out while he's still young enough to do something else. Effort is good, but he is not going to be a bonjwa and he knows it.
The part about the money: this is just a guess but it's like hes saying "Look, I need a life after this. So you either pay me enough to retire on or I go elsewhere to learn a profession I can keep on with. No hard feelings."
Not many young gamers have this kind of foresight. He won a starleague, a huge accomplishment, and for anyone but Flash and Jaedong (in the era of 'the Lee-ssang') that's going to be the pinnacle of your career. He knows that. I'm happy for him.
On September 21 2010 05:53 infinity2k9 wrote: Should have kept Kwanro
Yeah, letting kwanro go was a very bad decision looking at it now
A little under two years ago CJ had GGPlay, Savior, Effort, and Kwanro. There was some inexperience and slumping but that is still a very deep line up. Now they have Hydra, Orion, and Miso.
I think this is pretty big news that has hit the community kinda hard. Would be cool if we could get a tribute video for his carrier, sorry if I'm overstepping my boundaries, but this would be front page worthy imo.
I can't help but feel that this is a good decision for effort, he is still young. Plenty of time to get an education instead of sticking around a dying scene.
I can't help but feel that StarCraft II has somehow quickened the death of Brood War. Who knows, maybe BW and KeSPA will fight on for another season or even more, but the death will be as inevitable as the fading of Hula-hoops and who knows what will happen.
Not good for the scene, but totally admire his decisiveness. It is a smart decision in the long run. Odd to say, but it's refreshing it wasn't another sc2 jump (not that I have anything against that, just seeing a lot lately).
That was my original response. Is there something going on in the background or is just innoculous. (Or is it JD and Flash destroy the will of everyone).
On September 21 2010 08:59 Sabu113 wrote:Is there something going on in the background or is just innoculous.
Look at his team. It's pretty much falling apart around him. His 'teacher' Savior pretty much fell from grace, his coach is gone, and his salary is apparently too low. It's perfectly reasonable that he might want to pursue another career option. Sometimes top players can be grossly underpaid. Leta just got his salary tripled when he threatened to quit.
Not much to say T.T Imho the one true S class zerg since JD (i.e. forever). If his play was more consistent he could've.... Sigh, all I can see in my mind now is that fake 2hat lurker all in into no lurker before hive hive mass drones into drops and attacks every..where for instant gg or the gonads of the OSL final. See you later TL, need to drown brain in nicotine...
sad to see pro BW die a slow death by a thousand cuts... this one hurts the most though because Nada and July leaving was two washed up legends going to another game; this is the OSL champion 2 seasons ago quitting altogether. It just highlights that even the best players aren't seeing much of a future even in the short-term.
pretty sad news.. effort has been the only zerg other than JD in recent years who has shown to be pretty solid in all 3 matchups, imo the only 2 s-class zergs right now. he definitely is the 2nd best zerg in the world and is far ahead of the 3rd best - whoever that may be
On September 21 2010 10:23 Sadistx wrote: So is CJ now the team with the smallest A-team?
not really? Hydra, Iris, Skyhigh, Movie, Snow?
It's Hite...Leta, PuMa, Horang2....HoGiL
Iris is going to ACE now.
Still Snow, Hydra, and Movie are much better than PuMa, Horang2 and HoGiL(well Hydra and HoGiL might be close) and Skyhigh and Leta are proven. Actually Movie, Snow AND Skyhigh are all proven. Sad times for Leta. CJ should be fine.
Wow, I really liked effort... This is comes out as really sudden for me... I know it's not related to the seemingly sudden collapse of BW, but this just adds to it :/
On September 21 2010 10:23 Sadistx wrote: So is CJ now the team with the smallest A-team?
not really? Hydra, Iris, Skyhigh, Movie, Snow?
It's Hite...Leta, PuMa, Horang2....HoGiL
Iris is going to ACE now.
Still Snow, Hydra, and Movie are much better than PuMa, Horang2 and HoGiL(well Hydra and HoGiL might be close) and Skyhigh and Leta are proven. Actually Movie, Snow AND Skyhigh are all proven. Sad times for Leta. CJ should be fine.
Still, that's a pretty sad lineup for CJ. They have no solid consistent player. Movie idk wth happened to him. Snow is good but he still needs time to develop his skills, skyhigh is a one matchup wonder and hydra is nothing but mediocre. Don't forget that they just also lost their coach, so it's going to be a tough time for CJ.
I guess they'll be fighting at the bottom of the list along with hite and maybe ACE but I think ACE will do good this year.
so sad to see this.... hes probably the #2 zerg behind JD, too. he was wavering on his decision, and maybe the impending doom of brood war has pushed him over the edge.
On September 21 2010 11:14 lFrostmourne wrote: pretty sad news.. effort has been the only zerg other than JD in recent years who has shown to be pretty solid in all 3 matchups, imo the only 2 s-class zergs right now. he definitely is the 2nd best zerg in the world and is far ahead of the 3rd best - whoever that may be
I'd say ZerO is the 2nd best zerg right now and he wasn't really very far behind effort at all.
On September 21 2010 14:12 29 fps wrote: so sad to see this.... hes probably the #2 zerg behind JD, too. he was wavering on his decision, and maybe the impending doom of brood war has pushed him over the edge.
I think the retirement of coach cho might also have a lot to do with it.
On September 21 2010 11:14 lFrostmourne wrote: pretty sad news.. effort has been the only zerg other than JD in recent years who has shown to be pretty solid in all 3 matchups, imo the only 2 s-class zergs right now. he definitely is the 2nd best zerg in the world and is far ahead of the 3rd best - whoever that may be
I'd say ZerO is the 2nd best zerg right now and he wasn't really very far behind effort at all.
On September 21 2010 14:12 29 fps wrote: so sad to see this.... hes probably the #2 zerg behind JD, too. he was wavering on his decision, and maybe the impending doom of brood war has pushed him over the edge.
I think the retirement of coach cho might also have a lot to do with it.
Same, even if it wasn't mentioned. There probally wasnt a coach to talk the players case.
Or maybe effort demanded something unreasonable - no idea.
On September 21 2010 10:23 Sadistx wrote: So is CJ now the team with the smallest A-team?
not really? Hydra, Iris, Skyhigh, Movie, Snow?
It's Hite...Leta, PuMa, Horang2....HoGiL
Iris is going to ACE now.
Still Snow, Hydra, and Movie are much better than PuMa, Horang2 and HoGiL(well Hydra and HoGiL might be close) and Skyhigh and Leta are proven. Actually Movie, Snow AND Skyhigh are all proven. Sad times for Leta. CJ should be fine.
Still, that's a pretty sad lineup for CJ. They have no solid consistent player. Movie idk wth happened to him. Snow is good but he still needs time to develop his skills, skyhigh is a one matchup wonder and hydra is nothing but mediocre. Don't forget that they just also lost their coach, so it's going to be a tough time for CJ.
I guess they'll be fighting at the bottom of the list along with hite and maybe ACE but I think ACE will do good this year.
What's interesting though is Jaedong and Flash both came out of the worst teams (at the time). SnOw can only become bonjwa
This is crazy. Effort is amazing. But i feel good for him. He wants to choose this path, and I respect that. The reality is, pro gamers dont get a HUGE wage, and they can only really do it for 3-6 years. While if he get's a proper job, he can work for a long time. Also, he will always be remembered since he won a starleague.
This is from sometime in May 2010, I think. Effort wasn't in it because he was sick, or practicing. I guess now we know the real reason, and CJ probably have known for a while. First Kwanro, then Much, Savior, Iris and now Effort. We're running out of heros dammit. Both Reach & Yellow are returning to KT, and SKT has Boxer and oov. Time for the B-teamers to shine so that CJ is nice and winning the SPL right about when Iris and Much return. Maybe recruit Action now that eSTRO has disbanded?
Effort has become my 2nd favorite zerg (only behind July) and this is devastating to me. I vividly remember the first proleague matches I ever saw him play- his style was so explosive and exciting he immediately became a favorite of mine. I was so happy when he won a Starleague (against Flash no less!) and I was hoping he'd go farther still.
At the same time though, I immensely respect his decision. He had a goal, he attained it, now he's shooting for another goal. Most of the time, if someone hits the kind of success he did, they're going to hold on to that as tight as they can for as long as they can. For him to be able to leave all that behind to pursue his next challenge? That is IMO just an extremely admirable quality.
He's so young, he's got a long life ahead of him. We can only hope he finds his way back into gaming, whether it be BW or SC2.
The Swarm won't be the same without you Kim Jung Woo.
Brood War is going to become so damn boring if every final from now on is Flash vs Jaedong, or (if they're on the same side of the bracket), 'Flash or Jaedong vs Sacrificial Offering'.
We need a Protoss star to rise and challenge them both.
On September 22 2010 05:04 Hinanawi wrote: Brood War is going to become so damn boring if every final from now on is Flash vs Jaedong, or (if they're on the same side of the bracket), 'Flash or Jaedong vs Sacrificial Offering'.
We need a Protoss star to rise and challenge them both.
theres pvz god bisu and pvt ownage stork but they can't pvt or pvz respectively T_T
On September 22 2010 05:04 Hinanawi wrote: Brood War is going to become so damn boring if every final from now on is Flash vs Jaedong, or (if they're on the same side of the bracket), 'Flash or Jaedong vs Sacrificial Offering'.
We need a Protoss star to rise and challenge them both.
theres pvz god bisu and pvt ownage stork but they can't pvt or pvz respectively T_T
They need to have a team with Bisu and Stork on the same team with JangBi and Best, I think that would create the best Protoss players.
On September 21 2010 17:13 Emon_ wrote: This is from sometime in May 2010, I think. Effort wasn't in it because he was sick, or practicing. I guess now we know the real reason, and CJ probably have known for a while. First Kwanro, then Much, Savior, Iris and now Effort. We're running out of heros dammit. Both Reach & Yellow are returning to KT, and SKT has Boxer and oov. Time for the B-teamers to shine so that CJ is nice and winning the SPL right about when Iris and Much return. Maybe recruit Action now that eSTRO has disbanded?
On September 21 2010 17:13 Emon_ wrote: This is from sometime in May 2010, I think. Effort wasn't in it because he was sick, or practicing. I guess now we know the real reason, and CJ probably have known for a while. First Kwanro, then Much, Savior, Iris and now Effort. We're running out of heros dammit. Both Reach & Yellow are returning to KT, and SKT has Boxer and oov. Time for the B-teamers to shine so that CJ is nice and winning the SPL right about when Iris and Much return. Maybe recruit Action now that eSTRO has disbanded?
Good for Effort to leave the sinking ship that is BW now rather than next season. He succeeded at one of the most challenging video games ever released and left before he became another washed up player that just hangs around cause he can't really do anything else well.
goodbye effort! i will never forget your epic comeback against flash in the osl finals. despite some people saying how cheesy it was, it was a legit win. good luck in the future.
Wow a 20 plus page thread in only a few days, makes it pretty clear how much the starcraft community loves Effort; he was definitely my favorite zerg player. Good luck to him in the future I suppose!
Effort will be missed.... he was Savior's (who?) heir and the second candidate to the Zerg throne.. a pity he decided to type out. GG Effort. GL to your life
On September 22 2010 16:33 amarillo wrote: BTW can someone tell me how he came to get the nickname Messiah or when that came about? Is there a story behind it?
He was the next big zerg of CJ entus after savior, so that should be it .
Wow. That just blows my mind. It's gotta be tough to leave pro-gaming behind for something totally new when you've already put so much effort (pun not intended :D) and time into it.
I wonder if he knows something we don't know, as a scene insider. If there's maybe some writing on the walls that he's reading, and we aren't aware of, he might be being really smart.
On September 23 2010 08:07 cive wrote: The article says hes not gonna be doing eSport stuff so I doubt we will see him on GSL or something.
My guess is hes gonna enroll for military (Shit if he was gonna do this mind as well go ACE and have it easy) then get himself in a university.
Either way, best wishes.
He is looking for something else than Bw and the military, definitely! Otherwise I'm pretty sure he would have mentioned something about that. Whatever he's pursuing to fulfill himself I wish him the best. Another zerg departing to another solar system...
I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
This is soooooooo sad.... no much.. no savior... no coach cho.. no effort... sooo much change for CJ... they used to have soo strong zerg lineup they even traded kwanro.. but what's left now?... omg.... can't believe Hydra has to carry the cj zergs now.. Going to miss the Effort, Skyhigh, Movie friendship trio too i hope they will be ok without him... Really hope CJ can pull through this.. i will always root for you! Best wishes to Effort though, must have been an incredibly hard choice to make, i hope he lives a great life!
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
For the last time, BW is not dieing
Wait wait, You call a lot of players and coaches resigning as BW not dying?
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
For the last time, BW is not dieing
Wait wait, You call a lot of players and coaches resigning as BW not dying?
"It ain't over till its over"
Plus, the whole BW is dying discussion in the BW forum is kind of getting annoying. Not directed to you but to those in general.
However, the point that progamers do tend to degrade with age and having another career lined up is understandable. Probably the main reason Effort decided to leave. Figured, "What will I do after this?"
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
For the last time, BW is not dieing
lol, where have you been the last 6 months? Please show me this alternate reality you have been hiding in.
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
For the last time, BW is not dieing
Wait wait, You call a lot of players and coaches resigning as BW not dying?
Not when it's the off season... these kinds of changes happen EVERY year. One year we had kingdom, oov, JJu etc all retire which is probably worse than what we've had this season. It just so happens that the release of SC2 and the start of the first few major tournaments coincided with the off season which is making people think that SC id dying - it's not. It'll be back on the 16th.
Really feeling bad for BW and Z, and CJ, however, I truly support his decision and hope he will succeed in new path. Anyway with BW is decreasing, S2 is thriving and military service waiting for every pro gamers, its wise to change.
On October 03 2010 20:45 double1185 wrote: Really feeling bad for BW and Z, and CJ, however, I truly support his decision and hope he will succeed in new path. Anyway with BW is decreasing, S2 is thriving and military service waiting for every pro gamers, its wise to change.
Except that BW isn't decreasing, the verdict is still out on the long term success of SC2 and military service awaits every Korean male, whether you play BW or SC2.
On October 03 2010 20:45 double1185 wrote: Really feeling bad for BW and Z, and CJ, however, I truly support his decision and hope he will succeed in new path. Anyway with BW is decreasing, S2 is thriving and military service waiting for every pro gamers, its wise to change.
Except that BW isn't decreasing, the verdict is still out on the long term success of SC2 and military service awaits every Korean male, whether you play BW or SC2.
Yeah thought that my comment make a little confused then, cause he said that he switch to something else not game, thats where the wise choice come from
It's not out of possibility that Effort will play sc2 considering that some other guy (MVP, Piano? Can't remember) said they were quitting being a progamer because it was too hard but ended up on one of the new teams.
On October 03 2010 23:49 dcberkeley wrote: It's not out of possibility that Effort will play sc2 considering that some other guy (MVP, Piano? Can't remember) said they were quitting being a progamer because it was too hard but ended up on one of the new teams.
The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2.
The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2.
The manager however said that the new challenge will not be Starcraft 2.
mmmm, i guess i can relate. (not in the pro gaming sense)... but the wanting to do new things and challenge yourself and pursue a different career.
Im a well paid head of art at a marketing company.. and have been for the last 5 years.. although i get paid super good, i really just want to quit and do something new with my life. I even told the directors that i would be quiting next year to travel and then go to back to school to study something new.
what im getting at is.. you need to be happy with your job, if its not making your life enjoyable, change jobs.
On September 30 2010 08:01 Froadac wrote: I think effort was smart in this. He knows broodwar is dieing, progamers tend to degrade with age, and he ought to get himself ready for the future with an education.
For the last time, BW is not dieing
Wait wait, You call a lot of players and coaches resigning as BW not dying?
Not when it's the off season... these kinds of changes happen EVERY year. One year we had kingdom, oov, JJu etc all retire which is probably worse than what we've had this season. It just so happens that the release of SC2 and the start of the first few major tournaments coincided with the off season which is making people think that SC id dying - it's not. It'll be back on the 16th.
I soooo wanna believe you, but dunno, I too have been following the proscene since the old days dating back to the Grrr dominance days, and although every now and then there was some shocking retirement/s, it never felt like this.
This was posted recently, running it through google translate i get words like salary negotiation, so if any kind person could translate it, maybe we could get a better idea on this story.
TL;DR of the article is Effort posted stuff on his fancafe: Effort couldn't come to an agreement on salary with the company, and then decided to retire. He also said he wanted to "learn stuff," so I assume it means he's going to focus on his studies/go to school. He says he doesn't want to be a progamer anymore.
How much could he have possiby asked for considering they got rid of Savior? Thats a significant amount free'd up. Even at a lower S-level gamer salary he'll earn more than he would possibly earn elsewhere, why give up that chance now of all times. Makes no sense.
The article tells me that the negotiation really didn't go very smooth.
Effort said: "I wanted to continue playing and enjoying the games with the fans, but during the salary negotiation process, CJ made me turn away from the team to the point, that made me think 'Why did I even bother to play hard for so long for this team?'."
I don't think they "pushed" him out. I think, like King K. Rool said, the Hite merger was probably something already being discussed, so not enough funds for salary raise.
On October 19 2010 02:35 infinity2k9 wrote: How much could he have possiby asked for considering they got rid of Savior? Thats a significant amount free'd up. Even at a lower S-level gamer salary he'll earn more than he would possibly earn elsewhere, why give up that chance now of all times. Makes no sense.
Given the ephemeral nature of the pro-gaming career-path, getting a degree and a proper job is definitely more forward-looking in the long run.
On October 19 2010 02:51 King K. Rool wrote: wow can't believe it was salary problems.
Perhaps they knew of the hite merger and knew the couldn't offer him as much with Leta joining?
CJ's company owns OGN, it's not like OGN dropped their sponsorship of the team they just had the teams merge with their parent company. The amount of money should be more if anything due to Sparkyz and CJ losing a lot of players.
I think that he said he doesn't want to be a progamer anymore says the most, not some salary haggling.
if its really about salary then thats pretty strange. before he quit he was like the 3rd best player and cj is a strong company, so that shouldnt have been a problem normally...
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