SK Telecom acquired Woongjin Stars' Kwanro on the 14th in order to bolster their Zerg lineup. The trade is aimed to renew the atmosphere in SK Telecom by strengthening their weakest line up.
Kwanro was one of the two main Zerg players in Woongjin, with a 59% win rate on a 28-19 record. Kwanro's offensive style is hoped to revolutionize SK Telecom's zergline. Finally, because Kwanro was always a player who performed well against SK Telecom, SK Telecom now has one less player to worry about.
SK Telecom's manager Park commented that "By acquiring Kwanro, we gain a win card, someone who will energize SK Telecom's Zerg line", and that "Next season, we will take back the trophy that we have missed this season with a stronger SK Telecom team."
Meanwhile, Woongjin's manager Lee has said that "In order to balance our race lineup, we are currently looking to acquire a player of another race. While it's not quite certain yet, after we acquire the players, we will show a changed and a better Woongjin Stars"
- What is it like to transfer to SK Telecom? ▲ I'm really worried to begin with, because I just transferred last season, and now I'm transferring again before this season starts. There are a lot of fans worrying about me, so I'm also feel a bit burdened. But I want to minimize how much things like that affect me so I've been paying all my attention to practicing. I think the fans will be happy if I quickly adjust to my team and show good results, since I did move to a good team.
- When did you join the team? How is the atmosphere? ▲ I joined them yesterday. I'm not quite sure of the team's atmosphere because I've only been there for a day. I like it because it looks like an atmosphere where everyone is trying hard.
- Your special mission is to resurrect T1's Zerg line. ▲ I don't think it's to 'resurrect'. I didn't think SKT Zergs were weak even before I transferred. The only thing that I'm thinking right now, is that since I have transferred, I want to make them into an even stronger race. Right now, they're considered weaker to the other race lineups, but with my transfer, I hope to make [SKT] Zerg just as strong as the other race lineups.
- Have you talked to Hyuk, s2, and soo? ▲ Because the team atmosphere is good, you don't need to worry. The Zerg players are very good, and there's a lot I need to learn from them. If we teach each one other and learn from one another, we will become even stronger and reap in good records.
- You have a lot of history with Hyuk. Do you have any interesting stories? ▲ I've had a verbal fight with him during an interview in the past, so there were a lot of people who were worried. But now, because we're now on the same team, there will be no problems. Hyuk didn't really say anything. Because he is 3 years older than me, I'm going to listen to him well.
- You are now active in the same team as Best, Bisu, and Fantasy ▲ All three players are T1's Ace players. I definitely think that they're players I could learn a lot from. Because we've all gotten to be in the same team, I'm going to live with them with the attitude that I'll try to learn as much as I can.
- What is the best part of switching teams? ▲ I'm still a bit dazed. I don't know what's especially good about it.
- You may have something to say to the people at Woongjin. ▲ They treated me really well for the past year. When I moved from CJ to Woongjin, I still got to see my old team often because we were in the same dorm, so it didn't feel like I had moved. But SK Telecom and Woongjin is pretty far away, so I'm planning on visiting them often during breaks and vacation. I'm really thankful that they treated me so well during that time. But now, since I've transferred, I'll try even harder in this place.
- What was the first thing the coaching staff emphasized? ▲ They told me that they would like me to get along and synergize with the teammates. This stuck to me, so I'll remember it as I live here.
- You'll now be active belonging to a new team. Do you have any resolution? ▲ I think there'll be a lot of people who will be very unfamiliar. First, I'm really sorry to my fans. I thought it'd be really good to stay active continually on one team, but I'm really sorry because the situation turned out this way. But because I'll do even better in the future, please cheer for me.
Eh I'm still not convinced that Kwanro will help out SKT. SKT doesn't exactly have the best Zerg lineup, but Kwanro's not exactly the A level player that SKT really needs. Too much all in play from Kwanro imo, he needs to be consistent with his standard play.
He's moving again? Kwanro reminds me of a scary drifter with the crazy eyes that will stab you in the face and wear your skin because you tried to bunker rush him.
On September 14 2010 10:42 Kinky wrote: HOLY CRAP O_O He's switching around teams like crazy. I wonder how much it matters since BW seems to be dying down anyway.
Wow, T1 zergs are going to Kwanroll their opponents instead of Hyuking themselves !
But which zerg is Kwanro going to replace ? I guess Soo. ^_^ Hyuk can be good when he doesn't Hyuk himself, and s2 has shown potential and will probably improve next season.
On September 14 2010 10:39 Nemesis wrote: WTF, now T1 is probably stronger than KT now having a solid lineup for each race
Wait. What??
I really don't think Kwanro is solid. Remember how Stork dismantled him like a little nub a couple of months ago?
Anyone could have dropped a game or two against Stork.
I don't really like Kwanro but he's one of the upper average players out there, definitely better than the whole T1's zerg line-up imo. At least he wins games.
On September 14 2010 10:39 Nemesis wrote: WTF, now T1 is probably stronger than KT now having a solid lineup for each race
Wait. What??
I really don't think Kwanro is solid. Remember how Stork dismantled him like a little nub a couple of months ago?
Anyone could have dropped a game or two against Stork.
I don't really like Kwanro but he's one of the upper average players out there, definitely better than the whole T1's zerg line-up imo. At least he wins games.
If I recall correctly he doesn't really know how to macro.
On September 14 2010 10:39 Nemesis wrote: WTF, now T1 is probably stronger than KT now having a solid lineup for each race
Wait. What??
I really don't think Kwanro is solid. Remember how Stork dismantled him like a little nub a couple of months ago?
Anyone could have dropped a game or two against Stork.
I don't really like Kwanro but he's one of the upper average players out there, definitely better than the whole T1's zerg line-up imo. At least he wins games.
If I recall correctly he doesn't really know how to macro.
You don't need macro when you have the power of lings.
Oh man, this is really the funniest thing I've seen all day. I personally think Kwanro fucking SUCKS, not even that much better than Hyuk.
Oh well, the SKT Zerg Coach seems to be able to work magic on his Zerg players, so maybe Kwanro will become quite awesome under his supervision. Or he'll go the way of Thezerg.
I'm starting to worry for the smaller/weaker teams now. It seems like the top teams are getting more stacked while the bottom is thinning out. I hope teams like Ace, Hite, Estro, Khan get some new good players so we can actually have a somewhat balanced proleague.
On September 14 2010 10:52 Captain Peabody wrote: So, what is Kwanro going to do on SKT? From the article: "Bolster," "renew," "strengthen," "revolutionize," "energize"...their Zerg lineup.
Oh, SKT Zergs...
The sad thing is that Kwanro, as bad as he is, will probably do most of those things. That's how bad the Zerg line-up was before they got him. XD
The fact we consider Kwanro a "good" zerg says a lot about the zerg race atm. The dude can't win a game that goes past 10min and involves building something other than drones, overlords and zerglings.
I wonder if this has anything to do with Milkis' trade speculation thread. If it is related to the gamers mentioned in that thread, it puts a serious dent in the Stork/Jangbi speculation theory.
On September 14 2010 11:03 Bibbit wrote: It makes me happy to see this thread reach 4 pages rather fast. People do still care about BW :D
I think the potential hilarity of having hyuk and kwanro on the same lineup has something to do with it. Maybe SKT coaches can teach kwanro about zerg T3 units.. or maybe he'll just replace TheZerg and walk around in the Bunkie suit.
You never know though, this does make me more excited about SPL 10-11 :D
On September 14 2010 11:03 mimikami wrote: I am quite sad from hearing this news... This guy is not even a top 5 Zerg... And the other team has a Bonjwa... The future is dark... really.
How's SKT gonna manage to get a top 5 Zerg when it already has Fantasy, Bisu, and Best? This is probably the best zerg SKT could possibly have gotten. And yes he is better than all of their current zergs combined (except when Hyuk is hyuking, but >50% of the time he hyuks himself).
On September 14 2010 11:07 Lebesgue wrote: As bad as he is, he is still better than hyuk.
But what's up with Kwanro and him changing the teams all the time?
I wouldn't be surprised if he really was a jerk. He comes across badly in interviews and he always has that scowl on his face with the freaky uneven eyes.
On September 14 2010 11:06 infinitestory wrote: I wonder if this has anything to do with Milkis' trade speculation thread. If it is related to the gamers mentioned in that thread, it puts a serious dent in the Stork/Jangbi speculation theory.
Nah, it's not.
But Stork/Jangbi/January apparently recontracted, so that's the end of that ;p
Looks like Bisu will be cheese immune from now on in PvZ, or so i hope. I don't think best will learn anything from him and Fanta will be paranoid about having good wall-ins now.
On September 14 2010 11:06 infinitestory wrote: I wonder if this has anything to do with Milkis' trade speculation thread. If it is related to the gamers mentioned in that thread, it puts a serious dent in the Stork/Jangbi speculation theory.
But Stork/Jangbi/January apparently recontracted, so that's the end of that ;p
They did? Is that official? If so; woohoo, awesome news! :D That deserves it's own thread IMO. ^__^
I really feel like a lot of people are underestimating Kwanro. He obviously isn't the best zerg player but I think he is better than any current SKT zergs (except maybe when Hyuk actually plays his best).
I still don't think SK can beat KT. Sure, Kwanro can steal a few games by doing cheeses and stuff, but do you think he's really gonna take down Forgg or Violet or Stats consistently? Imo he's way too inconsistent. And zergs are just doing terribad right now
Wow...another season, and SKT buys another zerg (July, Thezerg, etc., etc.)
You almost never see a real star get transferred nowadays, though...unlike the days when teams lacking good sponsors leaked stars like water.
Let's hope this one actually helps out the lineup and doesn't break the current zergs' egos. I have a feeling Woongjin won't be able to acquire anyone else in return, though.
So anyone remember Thezerg? If BW keeps going on is SKT1 just going to keep buying zergs haha. Imo it's really weird since Stars needs Kwanro and Kwanro wasn't even on Stars that long.
On September 14 2010 12:01 tissue wrote: On the bright side we will never have to watch another Hyuk vs Kwanro match on PL ever again.
So painful. They should be working together. They are the yin and yang of lulzy all in failzerg style. I love that style, though, because it doesn't always fail.
On September 14 2010 11:50 BlackMagister wrote: So anyone remember Thezerg? If BW keeps going on is SKT1 just going to keep buying zergs haha. Imo it's really weird since Stars needs Kwanro and Kwanro wasn't even on Stars that long.
They probably want to sell high (or nearly high) on Kwanro, which might be the smart thing to do.
Outside of swarm season, he's been the quintessential mediocre zerg.
kwanro's still going to be fighting for his spot on the roster lol since s2 actually has a semblance of late game and hyuk is kwanro's equal in cheesiness.
Didn't see this coming but this is a win-win trade in my opinion.
SKT desperately needs a decent zerg and Kwanro would have been the best available option. Meanwhile, Woongjin never really needed Kwanro and now they can allow soulkey more games to develop as a player, he definitely looks like a future star player for Woongjin. Good trade on both ends.
With the addition of Kwanro they'll probably be the best team in proleague, assuming Bisu can play to the level we all know he is capable of. In Kwanro, SKT easily has the best 4th man in the league. Very scary line-up. Can't wait to see how KT performs against SKT.
EDIT: Reading the posts in this thread, I have to wonder is it me overrating Kwanro? He's a definite upgrade over hyuk/s2 currently(at least in my book) but reading some of the posts a lot of SKT fans are less than pleased with this trade.
On September 14 2010 12:29 Tekin wrote: Best trade ever? I wonder who will woogjin get? I know they need a terran really bad.
It's not a trade. It's not like SKT would trade fantasy. Actually Ssak or Canata would be an improvement over MVP, but that would be a terrible trade for SKT.
Really? At least get someone that can macro and doesn't all-in almost every game ... The sad part is that Kwanro can be considered an upgrade and a good Zerg player :[
I don't know, a horrible little part of my brain is thinking that this will just spell the downfall of Kwanro as a decent player. He'll just become another hit-or-miss Zerg with random Starleague runs.
Also, my hate for SKT is renewed, Kwanro on Stars was good for Stars. If they've got Canata in trade or sth... ugh.
I think it's smart that SKT has given up trying to change their zerg line for the better, and just gone out and gotten a zerg who never changes no matter what, for better or worse.
What I don't get is why Stars would trade Kwanro. He's a decent zerg, and trading him to SKT who's already has 2 good tosses and a good terran. At least get a trade?
Zero, Free, Terran, Soulkey, Zero/Free is gonna be Star's line. Soulkey is a monster and his performance was superior to Kwanro's those seasons. That's assuming the 1 per race rule stays.
On September 14 2010 10:36 n.DieJokes wrote: That makes sense, I don't know why he ever went to Stars in the first place
Chance to play more PL games and perhaps more money.
In return, Woongjin got a short-term fix until Soulkey gained enough broadcast experience to support ZerO.
On September 14 2010 11:07 Lebesgue wrote: what's up with Kwanro and him changing the teams all the time?
Who wouldn't want to play for SKT1? Improved salary (assumption), luxurious practice room (compared to other teams), good performance, prestige of being part of the most successful team of all-time.
I suppose Kwanro would make history, if he solved the SKT1 zerg problem.
On September 14 2010 13:23 tree.hugger wrote: I think it's smart that SKT has given up trying to change their zerg line for the better, and just gone out and gotten a zerg who never changes no matter what, for better or worse.
haha exactly on point :>
SKT1 looks pretty good for the upcoming season now that I think about it assuming Fantasy and Best continues to do well :>
I liked Stars because of Free, Zero and Kwanro :< Kind of sad to see him go
Good news for Kwanro. On CJ, he couldn't even receive air time due to Effort and Savior. On Stars, he'd never be the Zerg ace and has to compete with the rising Soulkey. On SKT, he will be the Zerg ace, receive more publicity due to the legendary infamy of T1 Zerg and receive higher pay.
Wise guy.
On the other hand, SKT now has the power of both Kwanrolling and Hyuking.
kwanro is getting traded around like crazy, I HOPE he goes on a huge surge after this trade though, I really like his play and think he could use the confidence.
On September 14 2010 13:46 SuperJongMan wrote: Zero, Free, Terran, Soulkey, Zero/Free is gonna be Star's line. Soulkey is a monster and his performance was superior to Kwanro's those seasons. That's assuming the 1 per race rule stays.
I love Soulkey but there's no justifiable way of saying he played better than Kwanro last season. Kwanro/Free/Zero all held up decent win-rates, even if for some reason the coach refused to utilise them properly and wasted time giving Piano, MVP and Crazy-Hydra play time. Soulkey is a great upcoming player, but he was around 50% wins if I remember correctly, whereas Kwanro did very well.
Never knew there was so much Kwanro hate on here . Personally I like him. Sad to see him leave Stars. Also mystified by the attitude of SKT1 fans saying they've picked up a dud of a player. One person even said he wasn't a top 5 zerg.... JD, Effort, Calm, Zero, ? I'm not seeing who is so obviously better than Kwanro for last season. Kespa wise and win-rate wise (and probably even league achievements) I think he did better than any other player. Great, RoRo, Shine did ok but ... hardly compelling performances.
What do they honestly think they're going to get out of Kwanro. I know they don't have good zergs but what makes them think they can revive Kwanro and build him into a good zerg when for the longest time they've been unable to produce a good proleague zerg? The fact that Kwanro is more suited for series play than proleague play makes this even more confusing since it was plainly obvious that he was hardly an asset on Woongjin Stars, a team with a much better zerg lineup.
Win rates are deceiving, Kwanro won a lot of games but a large chunk of these games were won against some of the weakest players in proleague (Hogil, Chavi, SKT zergs, Firefist, Reach, etc).
Lol at Kwanro having fans and even more lol at his confidence in the SKT zerg lineup. I seriously think the Zerg Coach is forcing the whole team to say their zergs are actually good .
As a CJ fan I wish Kwanro the best of luck in his new team. Hopefully SKT1 can improve their performance in the regular season this year thanks to recruiting Kwanro.
Never liked him, but best of luck to him anyway. It would've been better to trade him for a terran though. Every time I hear trading and I hope my dream comes true. Light to Woongjin!!!!
meh, i really don't like this decission :/ kwanro "solid"? no way. He's the same cheesy trash as shine, without any potential. Or at least I can't see him change his style and become normal solid player.
KWANROTFL. That was not supposed to happen... Kwanro is good and i like his aggresive style, but i just can't stand him in SKT. It's so wrong! Yeah, I know what you say, SKT finally have one good zerg, but i prefer current T1 Zerg line's savage determination, even when they fail. When they win, it makes SKT fan even more happy.
Well, we'll have to see in PL; we've already seen Hyuk and s2 have SOME life in them while they were in R5 last season. SKT T1's weakness has ALWAYS been the fact that with one of the strongest T and P line-ups, their Zs are pressured at the very least, not to mention that practice games with them become VERY DIFFICULT. Having to compete w/ A Class team-mates can be very demoralizing.
So if Kwanro can keep his composure, we COULD see a better performance from SKT T1 Zergs next season. (Do note that SKT T1 released their whole B Team)
Great news, I hope that he does indeed strengthen the SKT zerg line up and maybe next pro league final SKT can show some more resistanse and maybe lose 4-3 to KT
I think this is an absolutely awful signing, but who knows. He isn't bought to be an ace player and could work very well as a sort of sniper in proleague which is probably what he's bought for.
first thought: how the hell could kwanro fit into a team with all those beautiful young boys/ladyboys? seriously, skt1 has the most good looking lineup, and kwanro is quasimodo.
second thought: kwanro needs more "on air" time. he is no training partner-zerg, since he has such a unique playstyle, he has to be first line of zerg setup, zerg ace, and regular in team matches.
third thought: the guy writing "lets hope hyuk learns to kwanroll and kwanro doesnt learn how to hyuk himself" was damn right. skt1 isnt a zerg-friendly environment (even july left there)
fourth thought: look, now im a fan of the 2 most successful teams. lucky me
On September 14 2010 16:33 Womwomwom wrote:Win rates are deceiving, Kwanro won a lot of games but a large chunk of these games were won against some of the weakest players in proleague (Hogil, Chavi, SKT zergs, Firefist, Reach, etc).
So what? The previous SKT zergs didn't even beat those players. Not every player is good, if someone consistently beats the average-to-bad players that has a lot of value even if they lose to the good players.
SKT Zergs all look kinda depressed whereas Kwanro is a devilish little bastard, so hopefully he'll cheer them up at the very least. And thinking of him as an SKT player now is pretty funny.
Never understood the kwanro hate, sure the guy likes to 4 pool but saying he's bad due to a somewhat silly playstyle is just wrong. He's still the 5th best zerg by elo atm and 17th overall which is more than alot of the "fan favorites" that keep getting mentioned here can boast off.
He wins more than he loses and is pretty decent at zvz for some not to unobvious reasons.
On September 14 2010 15:42 KinosJourney2 wrote: NOOOOOOOO.
Wtf, Kwanro sucks :/ Last thing SKT1 needed was another useless Zerg player
Better than you that's for sure.
what kind of worthless logic is that? even the scrubbiest of b team scrubs plays better then anyone on TL, so? doesnt mean they still arent bad compared to competent progamers. posts like this deserve at least a warning.
Wow, T1's zerg line is going to have ridiculous depth now. Kwanro is pretty solid all around, and Hyuk is a sick nasty zerg sniper. Plus now they're going to have S2 and Soo to fall back on at the B-team, nasty.
Wow, SKT doesn't beat around the bush. They don't wanna have such a tough season again so they splash the cash on a fourth ace. Excellent decision in my opinion, SKT will be very hard to beat next season.
On September 14 2010 15:42 KinosJourney2 wrote: NOOOOOOOO.
Wtf, Kwanro sucks :/ Last thing SKT1 needed was another useless Zerg player
Better than you that's for sure.
what kind of worthless logic is that? even the scrubbiest of b team scrubs plays better then anyone on TL, so? doesnt mean they still arent bad compared to competent progamers. posts like this deserve at least a warning.
True but, you know what people bashing on good players is just wrong. Your post wasn't any better than mine so your pretty much doing the same thing.
On September 14 2010 14:43 Ryusei-R1 wrote: Watch as SKT, for the first proleague game, sends all three zergs for the first three games and 4 pools every game.
On September 15 2010 04:37 NuKedUFirst wrote: Wow. I would have pictured someone a little bit better. Kwanro is good but he isn't at the level of SKt1 imo. Should have bought Mensol[ZerO] instead
People that think Kwanro sucks are missing the part where he wins a lot of games, does well in solo leagues, and is a great change-up to throw at various players. He's an awesome tool to have and something SKT honestly lacks - an early-game specialist.
On September 14 2010 16:33 Womwomwom wrote: What do they honestly think they're going to get out of Kwanro. I know they don't have good zergs but what makes them think they can revive Kwanro and build him into a good zerg when for the longest time they've been unable to produce a good proleague zerg? The fact that Kwanro is more suited for series play than proleague play makes this even more confusing since it was plainly obvious that he was hardly an asset on Woongjin Stars, a team with a much better zerg lineup.
Win rates are deceiving, Kwanro won a lot of games but a large chunk of these games were won against some of the weakest players in proleague (Hogil, Chavi, SKT zergs, Firefist, Reach, etc).
In this analysis you say that Kwanro is both better suited for series plan than proleague and then in the next breath suggest that his great stats are only because he's beaten some of the easier A-teamers in Proleague. And this without mentioning that everyone who plays and wins regularly in PL gets to play their share of bad players.
Kwanro is no different and suggesting his play is more suited to series play, when he barely ever gets far in leagues, compared to his strong regular performance in PL seems off to me. He's a proven winner, people just dislike his style as being too early game or cheesy, much as people hated on Leta for the same thing.
The guy wins, he's one of the stronger zergs out there, I'd be happy if I was a SKT1 fan.
The people bashing Kwanro forget that he 3-killed SKT during the Winners League, with two kwanroooollls!! against Fantasy and Best, and a standard game vs Canata that I love because his personality really comes through at one point in the game: Canata's mnm/tank/vessel force is moving out and chasing away his lurkers and lings, Kwanro is running them back, then they make the junction with a few reinforcements from his base and he immediately turns them around and attacks head-on. No stalling, no flanking attempt, just an impulsive about-face. Canata's forces get slaughtered. Kwanroooooo
On September 14 2010 13:53 newvsoldschool wrote: Guys, remember Gorush, and how he was the best Zerg before T1 took him off CJ (GO back then)?
T1 is a graveyard for talented Zerg players. July and Gorush can attest to that.
Sigamari too.
on topic: like someone said Kwanro is good at getting his job done, but on the other hand hes pretty "unstable" if I can call him like this. Anyways, if SKT had him in lineup before set 6 started in last PL finals, nothing would change.
On September 14 2010 11:03 dani_caliKorea wrote: Haha Woongjin should get some decent Terran in return. Zero learned how to ZvZ again and Soulkey is doing great. Kwanro is unneeded.
I tend to agree with this. SoulKey is pretty good and actually wins games that go into the late game. Kwanro was kind of a let down for Stars, other than ZvZ. But to be fair, Free and Zero underperformed in the later rounds as well...
Kwanro is a ZvZ specialist guys... Where did SKT struggle the most against? Zerg...
Fantasy/Best have had problems in the past and Bisu, who knows... What they were missing was a ZvZ specialist.
As for the Proleague final question: Match 4, Tempest vs S2... imagine if that was Tempest vs Kwanro... Kwanro wins that and then we go to Fantasy vs Flash ace... and who knows what happens.
you know, i fucking hate bisu and SKT in general... but for the sake of BW, i hope bisu rises again to play like during his peak.... i hope fantasy keeps steady and is a solid ace... i hope best can continue to dominate p v t and p v p and i hope kwanro does well
there needs to be another team that can rival KT, and i for the sake of BW e-sports, i need SKT to rival them, trade blows and bring back the famed rivarly between these two great teams....
my secret desire is to have OZ rise back from the grave. mother fucking anytime is BACK BITCHES! they will have a more solid lineup across all races =)
On September 15 2010 10:04 catabowl wrote: Kwanro is a ZvZ specialist guys... Where did SKT struggle the most against? Zerg...
Fantasy/Best have had problems in the past and Bisu, who knows... What they were missing was a ZvZ specialist.
As for the Proleague final question: Match 4, Tempest vs S2... imagine if that was Tempest vs Kwanro... Kwanro wins that and then we go to Fantasy vs Flash ace... and who knows what happens.
Ya and if Fantasy had won that match, Flash would probably have lost his momentum and proceeded on losing to Jaedong in both MSL and OSL finals.
And people would be calling Jaedong bonjwa, not Flash.
Damn how a tiny thing could have changed everything.
Really loving this move from SKT1. Kwanro's a better player than the other T1 zergs in general, but he's also a really high variance player. Drawing Hyuk or s2 versus a top player is almost an auto-lose, but with Kwanro you can always roll the dice for a 25% one-hit-KO chance
I think it's much better to have Kwanro dropping a few stupid games versus worse opponents but picking up some improbable wins against good players, than having Hyuk getting totally predictable results.
On September 15 2010 13:14 Waxangel wrote: Really loving this move from SKT1. Kwanro's a better player than the other T1 zergs in general, but he's also a really high variance player. Drawing Hyuk or s2 versus a top player is almost an auto-lose, but with Kwanro you can always roll the dice for a 25% one-hit-KO chance
I think it's much better to have Kwanro dropping a few stupid games versus worse opponents but picking up some improbable wins against good players, than having Hyuk getting totally predictable results.
That's a good point. Kwanro may be inconsistent, but for some reason its like he can win games even if the odds are totally against him. However with Hyuk and the rest of the skt zergs, its like as if the game is already decided by sheer odds.
I knew deep inside that this felt like a really good move, but could never come if the words to describe why. Kwanro is in his own special league compared to the other skt zergs. Hes like the trump card that SKT never really had.
On September 15 2010 09:59 swanized wrote: so what did woongjin get in return from that trade?
maybe $$? It's why I hate SC trades cuz you never see any player for player deals, which would be more interesting and less unfair to poorer teams.
That's sports man. In football one team pays another to either buy a player or lend him for a season or two, it's never a player for player trade. It sucks for poor teams, but if the team gets better it gets more attention which leads to higher revenue and ability to purchase better players. Teams that suck and don't improve don't deserve to have good players who would go to waste in them.
SKT1 is indeed a graveyard for zergs but I think Kwanro has the talent to perform well regardless. HyuK isn't as bad as was previously thought so I have high hopes for his performance, I like Kwanro even though I hate SKT.
Like, the only decent Zerg in SKT proleague history was Gorush. Gorush wasn't even a true SKT Zerg either. He was bought and steadily on the decline after purchase. July never contributed to SKT at all.
Lol, the coaching staff had enough with the randomness of the T1 Zergs and decided to secure its lineup with money. Let's see where this is headed.
I am sure that half of the TL already forgot Kwanro is indeed a league finalist.
Maybe Kwanro can go legit by learning from the PvZ master Bisu and TvZ expert(sometimes) Fantasy. A 4th player that could actually make an ace. This should be good.
On September 14 2010 10:29 Milkis wrote: Finally, because Kwanro was always a player who performed well against SK Telecom, SK Telecom now has one less player to worry about.
Well, I guess that's one way to go about it. Gotta catch 'em all...
On September 14 2010 10:29 Milkis wrote: Finally, because Kwanro was always a player who performed well against SK Telecom, SK Telecom now has one less player to worry about.
Well, I guess that's one way to go about it. Gotta catch 'em all...
I feel that beyond the results Kwanro can yield individually in PL is probable that the other players benefit from having him as a training partner. Early pushes/all-ins account for a large portion of Bisu's pvz losses, Best could traing and have a decent winrate at pvz and become a real scary player. Fantasy will probably still have lulzy tvz though.
Consider that SKT1 is the only team to have four players in the top20 ELO. This is monstrous. I don't see how any SKT1 fan would be even remotely disappointed.
Also don't forget that for several months Kwanro was the #2 Zerg. Now he's easily the #4 or #5 best Zerg since Calm has gone useless.
And he 3-0'd Light in a Bo5 not that long ago. Even Jaedong couldn't do that...
Totally man, but you gotta agree with me here that his playstyle and decision making is lulzy, and moreso that he racks so many wins like that. Maybe you thought that by lulzy i meant mediocre or bad.
SK taking a leaf out of Real Madrid's book. If there's a problem, just keep throwing money at it and it'll go away. I think they definitely needed a Zerg, but... Kwanro? If the game goes longer than 10 minutes, he's gone.
I think he's signed on less for his individual results but what he can bring to the team. SKT now has a hyper aggressive Z practice partner that will overall improve all their players' games.
Lol Kwanro isn't going to do much for SKT's Zerg lineup. He's pretty good, but he's got little going for him in terms of overall playing ability when compared to other Zergs.
I'd say hooray for SKT finally having a well known Zerg name, but Kwanro Kwanrolls himself about as often as a certain other player Hyuks himself.
In any case, SKT is best KT.
Looked at that link to Fantasy's stats and put the start date at the beginning of the year. Flash may've hurt his TvT stats, but his TvP is apparently monstrous at a 70% win rate. :o Guess that's what happens when he can play with Best and Bisu pretty much anytime.
On September 17 2010 19:13 Mystlord wrote: Lol Kwanro isn't going to do much for SKT's Zerg lineup. He's pretty good, but he's got little going for him in terms of overall playing ability when compared to other Zergs.
If Khan had Kwanro on the team, Stork would have been in the OSL final.
i'm pretty sure there are more than 8 zergs in the pro scene and killer has nothing to do with the word "TOP" and i'm an oz fan i'd say u forgot hydra hyun hogil modesty great hyvaa and i'd even risk by saying i prefer 815 over killer
EPT
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