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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:from July's announcement: Show nested quote +Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July.
Of course the person switching games is gonna promote it. It's called good marketing. It's his job to make money, and if he claims that SC2 is the better game, it might bring more viewers and therefore more money to the scene and to him. How come so few other progamers have come out with statements like that? Because they haven't made the switch. QED, July's statement could possibly not mean shit. If it required more skill than SC1 then July would have no chance in SC2 just like he is flailing now in SC1. Stop being so smug with your sarcastic remarks if they are disassembled so easily, you're making a fool of yourself.
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions.
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That and he's still tinkering with Zerg. Whenever you make the switch to a new video game there's going to be a small learning curve. The guy has 1000 games to his name, but hell it takes a lot of practice to get your execution there.
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On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:It doesn't change the fact that SC2 is shit? from July's announcement: Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July. Of course the person switching games is gonna promote it. It's called good marketing. It's his job to make money, and if he claims that SC2 is the better game, it might bring more viewers and therefore more money to the scene and to him. How come so few other progamers have come out with statements like that? Because they haven't made the switch. QED, July's statement could possibly not mean shit. If it required more skill than SC1 then July would have no chance in SC2 just like he is flailing now in SC1. Stop being so smug with your sarcastic remarks if they are disassembled so easily, you're making a fool of yourself. But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions.
he didnt even say it's more difficult than BW, he said it's gotten more difficult compared to BW, which means that the game has gotten harder (similar to BW), but not necessarily moreso than BW. at least that's how I read it lol.
why wouldnt he just say "it's more difficult than BW" then? Or is that just a translator thing? I dont think ANYONE would actually argue that SC2 is harder than BW in the 1st place though lol. except maybe idra vs other white people where he isnt as far ahead mechanically anymore, but that's a new competitive pool being harder, not the game itself.
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On September 11 2010 03:41 Slow Motion wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like July, as compared to NaDa and maybe Boxer, has played in less televised BW major tournaments than either. NaDa actually got to play in proleague and it was always so awesome to see him, but he's got his 100 wins and I anticipate him being used even less in the future. Boxer was even more rarely used but when he was it was epic (nukes vs Killer).
But I never see July anymore, and I'd rather see him play SC2 than nothing at all. If NaDa and Boxer think they won't be used in proleague in the future, then it's better for everyone if they move on to SC2 as well. This is coming from a huge NaDa fanboy btw.
I'd rather see July train harder and play BW again  . or at least apply for ACE, they NEED a zerg lol. i've already been missing seeing him play for a while now, but now there's no hope of him ever making a comeback
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On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:from July's announcement: Show nested quote +Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July.
Sorry, but, what? July is the first pro player anywhere that's actually said that StarCraft 2 is harder than Brood War. I wouldn't even be surprised if that's a mistranslation too.
I wouldn't say that SC2 is "so easy," but Brood War is still a lot harder. I think the only people who could really disagree with that statement are people who have either never played Brood War or who are trying to promote a game that they're making a career switch to. 
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when brood war came out it was easy too. 5base vs 5base was only a dream in 1v1 and people were thinking "I would only go 3rd base if my main drains out."
after a while when players started to discover game deeply, they also discovered new boundries so the game got harder and harder.
brood war is hard today because of players discovered new boundries. pushed themselves harder.
now its sc2. ppl are saying you need less apm this game. I don't aggre. Because when ppl push boundries further, they will find a new use for exceed apm. i.e: fighting 5 different locations with using abilities that are given and succeeding it in 1-2 second. it is just an example just try to get my point.
even gameplay may change, map designs may change.
I believe sc2 will be hard as much as brood war. But not yet. players will improve, gameplay will improve.
it's your very existence who appreciate new tactics and builds you have never seen before right this very day. this will continue I'm sure.
the boundries and capacities will be pushed (very hard) and ppl will see it's not %100 the game makes the game difficult itself, it's the players.
so, in my opinion saying "sc2 is not hard" is not learning and understanding from sc1 experience.
I believe each of us had seen something new while we had been watching NaDa vs TLO in Steppes of War. Ppl were in shock, trying to understand what was happening. (macro-wise they were watching something entirely new) tank placement for domination of middle area and expanding like there is no tomorrow and also keeping the upper hand with a very unfamiliar style of play, that was something new.
That day, nada pushed boundries a little bit too, showed us a different kind of play, and I say, there will be more pushing boundries more and more.
and if you think that what nada did that day was "not hard" I think you are being subjective.
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On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions.
With the attitude you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about other people's opinions. I liked it better when anti-SC2 people just stuck to BW instead of going on crusades.
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On September 11 2010 07:05 berzerger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +when brood war came out it was easy too. 5base vs 5base was only a dream in 1v1 and people were thinking "I would only go 3rd base if my main drains out."
after a while when players started to discover game deeply, they also discovered new boundries so the game got harder and harder.
brood war is hard today because of players discovered new boundries. pushed themselves harder.
now its sc2. ppl are saying you need less apm this game. I don't aggre. Because when ppl push boundries further, they will find a new use for exceed apm. i.e: fighting 5 different locations with using abilities that are given and succeeding it in 1-2 second. it is just an example just try to get my point.
even gameplay may change, map designs may change.
I believe sc2 will be hard as much as brood war. But not yet. players will improve, gameplay will improve.
it's your very existence who appreciate new tactics and builds you have never seen before right this very day. this will continue I'm sure.
the boundries and capacities will be pushed (very hard) and ppl will see it's not %100 the game makes the game difficult itself, it's the players.
so, in my opinion saying "sc2 is not hard" is not learning and understanding from sc1 experience.
I believe each of us had seen something new while we had been watching NaDa vs TLO in Steppes of War. Ppl were in shock, trying to understand what was happening. (macro-wise they were watching something entirely new) tank placement for domination of middle area and expanding like there is no tomorrow and also keeping the upper hand with a very unfamiliar style of play, that was something new.
That day, nada pushed boundries a little bit too, showed us a different kind of play, and I say, there will be more pushing boundries more and more.
and if you think that what nada did that day was "not hard" I think you are being subjective.
We aren't even talking about the way the game is played yet, just simply the mechanics. Go back to playing Brood War for like a week, without all of the new features in SC2. You can't just lump an entire army together, you are forced to use control groups. The unit AI and pathing is horrible by comparison. You can't block off with ease like you can in SC2. Brood War, at any level of play, is just straight up harder and requires more APM. Yeah, players with lower APM can win games in BW or SC2 against players with higher APM, but in BW a player with substantially higher APM will consistently defeat a player with lower APM whereas in SC2 it's not as big of a deal (at least not yet).
Some things will definitely change about the game and APM may become more important in the future. However I don't feel like SC2 can ever be considered harder than BW unless the game mechanics themselves are completely changed around which would require Blizzard to essentially "dumb down" the game and make it less casual and less noob friendly. I don't think anyone at all is faulting Blizzard for making SC2 easier, it makes sense because the vast majority of people who buy the game aren't going to even care about pro SC2. I also don't think that fans of SC2 should take, "SC2 is easier than BW," as if it's some kind of insult or saying that SC2 is a simple game. It's still hard, if it wasn't everyone would be a pro gamer. It's just not as hard as Brood War and honestly I don't think anyone was expecting it to be.
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On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:from July's announcement: Show nested quote +Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July.
sure, playing a new game is difficult than a game you already know.
SC2 is easier than BW , thats afact.
I vote for this to move to the SC2 forums, too much trolls in here
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On September 11 2010 07:11 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions. With the attitude you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about other people's opinions. I liked it better when anti-SC2 people just stuck to BW instead of going on crusades.
Lol? Do you even understand what I said? I was accusing him of trying to fill in the opinions of others with the sweeping notion that everyone likes the game the same way he does. With the comprehension you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about... Yea. lol. Anyways, was not a SC2 crusade, busting into a thread completely unrelated to BW. Look around you, there are many people who are pissed that progamers are moving to BW. Hence it is relevant. You just target me because I wrote the longest post about it. Crusade is never over.
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...practically 90% of Terran mechanics in SC2 make the race retardedly easy IMO. I hate Terrans on average, but I love Flash because he's such a monster...he does literally everything right, and deserves his wins. Unfortunately with SC2, players that really suck compared to pros (Drewbie, Silver, etc) can get wins against pros because their race is so overpowered.
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On September 11 2010 06:42 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:It doesn't change the fact that SC2 is shit? from July's announcement: Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July. Sorry, but, what? July is the first pro player anywhere that's actually said that StarCraft 2 is harder than Brood War. I wouldn't even be surprised if that's a mistranslation too. I wouldn't say that SC2 is "so easy," but Brood War is still a lot harder. I think the only people who could really disagree with that statement are people who have either never played Brood War or who are trying to promote a game that they're making a career switch to.
I wouldn't be so quick to blindly go by this bandwagon train.
For starters SC2 has A MUCH WIDER strategical sense when it comes to unit compositions. I highly doubt we're always going to see the same 3 units in a matchup. I really think there is alot more depth in that department. we haven't even scratched the surface of SC2. and i haven't seen anyone who can macro close to as good as flash can Despite bw being THAT much harder to macro properly.
There is alot to do and I think its still going to be very difficult to properly macro unless your top tier.
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compared to everyone here I for one don't know shit bout BW. What i do know is its a very demanding game that requires alot of practice and has had12 years or to evolve into what it is today. Right now, SC2 is 2 months old? How bad was sc1 at 2 months old. Of course its not at the level of BW but it probably is the future, will it be better? fuck who knows... would anyone have thought sc1 would be were it is today? I just don't get all the hate for the game.
Its seems like SC2 is the grim reaper and he just walked in the room with SC1 and everyone is like OH FUCK and doing everything they can to get him out of the room. Bad analogy?
Well whatever the case is BW is an amazing game and probably will never be top'd (i say this and have VERY little knowledge of the game) but that doesn't mean sc2 can't be for a new generation.
my ignorant 2 cents.
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Nada? Boxer? Woooooow. Can't wait to see what they can come up with!
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On September 11 2010 07:11 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions. With the attitude you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about other people's opinions. I liked it better when anti-SC2 people just stuck to BW instead of going on crusades.
This is the BW forums... the SC2 fans are the ones invading here. This thread probably belongs in the SC2 section moreso than the BW section.
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On September 11 2010 09:13 FindingPride wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 06:42 overt wrote:On September 11 2010 06:08 awesomoecalypse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +It doesn't change the fact that SC2 is shit? from July's announcement: Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original", adding that "But because I had experience playing Starcraft as a progamer, I'm getting better rapidly." But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "easy". I'm sure you know better than July. Sorry, but, what? July is the first pro player anywhere that's actually said that StarCraft 2 is harder than Brood War. I wouldn't even be surprised if that's a mistranslation too. I wouldn't say that SC2 is "so easy," but Brood War is still a lot harder. I think the only people who could really disagree with that statement are people who have either never played Brood War or who are trying to promote a game that they're making a career switch to. I wouldn't be so quick to blindly go by this bandwagon train. For starters SC2 has A MUCH WIDER strategical sense when it comes to unit compositions. I highly doubt we're always going to see the same 3 units in a matchup. I really think there is alot more depth in that department. we haven't even scratched the surface of SC2. and i haven't seen anyone who can macro close to as good as flash can Despite bw being THAT much harder to macro properly. There is alot to do and I think its still going to be very difficult to properly macro unless your top tier.
I wouldn't really call it a bandwagon, SC2 is just straight up easier. By my first few games I got a handle on good build orders, fast expanding, and plenty of other things in both the micro and macro department. You're welcome to disagree and that's perfectly fine, but just try playing Brood War for a week. You don't even have to play on iCCup or anything just try playing against the AI and compare doing basic things in Brood War to things in SC2. This isn't about complex game strategies as those certainly need time to evolve, at the very basic levels of the game and functions SC2 is way easier than Brood War.
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Maybe july meant it's hard to be a top player in sc2.
I think Sc2 is much much much much much easier than sc1gameplay wise, however, maybe that's what makes the game harder for pro players. The lesser players have chance to beat them. That means they have to do that extra work to a get niche ahead of everyone (instead of being miles ahead by practicing).
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Let face it, Proleague can not survive for long without Blizzard's approval. The next season may well be the last, and eventually people will start moving.
And dun forget, FLASH IS GOING TO DESTROY SC1 TONIGHT!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On September 11 2010 09:48 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 07:11 Redmark wrote:On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions. With the attitude you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about other people's opinions. I liked it better when anti-SC2 people just stuck to BW instead of going on crusades. This is the BW forums... the SC2 fans are the ones invading here. This thread probably belongs in the SC2 section moreso than the BW section.
no this is probably more sentimental for old time bw fans.
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On September 11 2010 09:48 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 07:11 Redmark wrote:On September 11 2010 06:15 Murderotica wrote:
But go ahead, keep claiming that SC2 is so "fucking awesome." I'm sure you know better than other people about their opinions. With the attitude you've exhibited in this thread you're not one to talk about other people's opinions. I liked it better when anti-SC2 people just stuck to BW instead of going on crusades. This is the BW forums... the SC2 fans are the ones invading here. This thread probably belongs in the SC2 section moreso than the BW section.
that explains BW fans invading sc2 forums (Julyzerg thread)
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