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Milkis
5003 Posts
Hwaseung Oz released a statement on the 3rd saying that "Manager Cho Jung Woong proposed to the executive office to end his contract in order to have some time to recharge" While Hwaseung asked Manager Cho to take care of the team until the contract expires, Manager Cho held in his view, and the management accepted his resignation. Han Sang Yeong will be managing the team and rebuilding the team as the team's mood darkened after the news. | ||
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nitdkim
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
 But this seems interesting, I wonder what reason he'll give. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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DekkuM
United States149 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
 Killer for ace, or at all for that matter. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
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bearbuddy
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Loser777
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
and why is this so bad? It's just a manager retiring edit: oh wait shit I'm stupid I didn't realize manager = coach, I thought tohse two were different... Eh, he sucked as a coach anyways, good for Oz I'd say. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
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SaikOuLighT
Canada742 Posts
I hope this doesn't affect jd. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
I really wonder what's going to happen to the BW scene after the OSL finals. | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On September 03 2010 14:53 Skillz_Man wrote: This doesn't effect Jaedong and the OSL, right? RIGHT?! no, he'll still lose it | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On September 03 2010 14:52 ArvickHero wrote: Eh, he sucked as a coach anyways, good for Oz I'd say. Wtf? He made EVERY GOOD PLAYER Oz ever had | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 03 2010 15:01 Kyuukyuu wrote: Wtf? He made EVERY GOOD PLAYER Oz ever had more like got really fucking lucky I'd say. | ||
GTR
51427 Posts
On September 03 2010 15:06 ArvickHero wrote: more like got really fucking lucky I'd say. are you seriously suggesting he was lucky in developing both anytime and jaedong into the influential players they are today? he managed to take the worst fucking team in the korean scene into a proleague winner. sure, it took a lot of time, but he still did it. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
I'm surprised he did this before Jaedong's OSL run was over. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 03 2010 15:17 GTR wrote: are you seriously suggesting he was lucky in developing both anytime and jaedong into the influential players they are today? he managed to take the worst fucking team in the korean scene into a proleague winner. sure, it took a lot of time, but he still did it. maybe he did a good job "developing" his star players, but the rest of his team is basically pure trash (Hiya a small exception). I still find it really hard to believe how ridiculously good Jaedong, especially considering how bad the rest of his team is. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
some guy posted on the 24th saying manager cho was actually fired (but news writers will write it as resignation) fun fun | ||
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
Anytime Jaedong ForGG Hiya He made those people. He isn't bad. | ||
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
both chubby chos are gone now.. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
sooooo | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:07 Milkis wrote: according to rumors he got fired cause he did a lot of sketchy things and an anonymous letter went into the executive office detailing all the sketchy things he did sooooo I hope these weren't 'sketchy things' involving Lomo. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:07 Milkis wrote: according to rumors he got fired cause he did a lot of sketchy things and an anonymous letter went into the executive office detailing all the sketchy things he did sooooo Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Really sad news, but life gotta go on and changes have to come eventually. + Show Spoiler [OSL] + Hope this won't interupt JD's OSL finals. | ||
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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_romantic
United States455 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:14 XsebT wrote: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Really sad news, but life gotta go on and changes have to come eventually. + Show Spoiler [OSL] + Hope this won't interupt JD's OSL finals. What were the sketchy things he did? | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:25 BloodDrunK wrote: I choose not to believe in this.but who the hell is this guy anyway?how does he know all of this? + Show Spoiler + CJ's former coach. See, maybe the Chos had a 'suicide pact' of sorts and planned to resign together, but Oz Cho had second thoughts, so CJ Cho had to nudge his friend out. ...then again, maybe not. ![[image loading]](http://img.sportsseoul.com/article/home/2009/07/31/090731_4a727aef4bf9c.jpg) Cho long. Seriously though, this is a shame | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Even fired? THE RIVER OF SHIT IS RISING!! | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
Bad bad bad | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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san-tokie
Korea (South)185 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7946 Posts
this will affect jd | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:56 pR0gR4m3R wrote: JD always said that Coach Cho Jung Woong was like a father Bad bad bad Well maybe it's because he's the older male figure that's constantly around JD, since he has to live in the team house away from his family? I don't know, it's all just conjecture though. | ||
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regerstreen
Canada57 Posts
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
On September 03 2010 15:41 NeoOmega wrote: Oz did not win proleague 2007 and get to the finals in 2009 because of their amazing depth. Ive think he did an outstanding job. in 2009 the super ace match existed keep in mind | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Now us JD fanboys will have an excuse if JD loses! | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:52 moopie wrote: + Show Spoiler + CJ's former coach. See, maybe the Chos had a 'suicide pact' of sorts and planned to resign together, but Oz Cho had second thoughts, so CJ Cho had to nudge his friend out. ...then again, maybe not. Cho long. Seriously though, this is a shame hahahahahaha i like also i will miss oz coach cho's hair, and his appearance in future hwaseung houses (who am I kidding will there be any more of those?) | ||
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theuser
Romania176 Posts
Hope for the best | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote: Heh Now us JD fanboys will have an excuse if JD loses! I wish he had stayed until the OSL run was over, now if he loses there will always be the "if only coach cho didn't leave" thing. I hope he makes private phone calls to JD giving him tips etc. This is sad news | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:44 KristianJS wrote: Honestly, the fact that he left just one week before OSL finals makes me reather keen to believe the rumours that he was actually fired. Yeah, and if it's true...he was even fired before the MSL finals -.- | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
Maybe CJ to be #2 zerg? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On September 03 2010 14:52 ArvickHero wrote: Eh, he sucked as a coach anyways, good for Oz I'd say. Pusan, Anytime, Jaedong, Hiya, fOrGG 5 all except Hiya and Pusan has a title, but all has left their mark on the scene and both are / were really good. Probally more, but thats 5 GOOD players on top of my head. | ||
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Pvvned
United States405 Posts
Killer in the ace matches instead of Jaedong | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On September 03 2010 22:09 Iplaythings wrote: Pusan, Anytime, Jaedong, Hiya, fOrGG 5 all except Hiya and Pusan has a title, but all has left their mark on the scene and both are / were really good. Probally more, but thats 5 GOOD players on top of my head. I give zero credit to coach Cho for making Jaedong and Anytime good. A coach will never be able to fully teach someone with the talent of Jaedong and Flash, those players are just too good. Rather, a coach leaves his mark imo by maximizing the potential of those who have lesser skills and by putting them to good use with proper conditioning and strategy in proleague. The reason why CJ's coach Cho is so revered is because he can take players from the ground and build them into A-class talent. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 03 2010 22:31 setzer wrote: I give zero credit to coach Cho for making Jaedong and Anytime good. A coach will never be able to fully teach someone with the talent of Jaedong and Flash, those players are just too good. Rather, a coach leaves his mark imo by maximizing the potential of those who have lesser skills and by putting them to good use with proper conditioning and strategy in proleague. The reason why CJ's coach Cho is so revered is because he can take players from the ground and build them into A-class talent. When Jaedong first joined his team, rumour has it that even his coach was able to defeat him from time to time. He would not have been able to gain such heavy television exposure on some of the other teams so early into his career. All payers need proper grooming to succeed, regardless of their innate talent or work ethic. Just a thought. I'm not particularly interested in the business of managing a team, but even as a casual viewer of some of the documentaries that covered the inside stories of how these teams operate, I could see that Coach Cho played an immense part in the growth of many of his players under his wing. I don't think it's up to you to judge how much credit he deserves for his players' personal success or how much he failed to progress some of the others that failed to realize their potential without knowing the full story. None of us can. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
LOL And wow, what is with everyone retiring :< Coach Cho was amazing and like jaedong's favorite | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:23 Letmelose wrote: When Jaedong first joined his team, rumour has it that even his coach was able to defeat him from time to time. He would not have been able to gain such heavy television exposure on some of the other teams so early into his career. All payers need proper grooming to succeed, regardless of their innate talent or work ethic. Just a thought. I'm not particularly interested in the business of managing a team, but even as a casual viewer of some of the documentaries that covered the inside stories of how these teams operate, I could see that Coach Cho played an immense part in the growth of many of his players under his wing. I don't think it's up to you to judge how much credit he deserves for his players' personal success or how much he failed to progress some of the others that failed to realize their potential without knowing the full story. None of us can. You're right, i don't know the inner workings, however I do know this: -In the last two seasons Jaedong has been the only reliable player and the only player who has over 50% winrate (until Hiya recently) -Dubious proleague strategies -Innability to develop a protoss lineup after an always injured Backho -Lack of quality draft picks and free agency -Kicked forgg out the door I don't know if that rumour of yours is true or not, but I do know the things above are correct and this decision was long overdue. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:39 setzer wrote: You're right, i don't know the inner workings, however I do know this: -In the last two seasons Jaedong has been the only reliable player and the only player who has over 50% winrate (until Hiya recently) -Dubious proleague strategies -Innability to develop a protoss lineup after an always injured Backho -Lack of quality draft picks and free agency -Kicked forgg out the door I don't know if that rumour of yours is true or not, but I do know the things above are correct and this decision was long overdue. Cho Coach had built up a legacy that shadows some of his shortcomings you listed above. PLUS used to be the weakest team in the Proleague. Coach Cho and Anytime surprised everyone in the scene when a player that was from a team not even regarded as a proper professional one by some of the people was able to conquer the most prestigious tournament in the scene. He managed to gain sponsorship, provide back-up for his main man Anytime, and eventually made his name as one of the most successful coaches around. Not bad for someone who was in charge of a team that was constantly on the brink of disbanding. I don't have much interest in the issue, I'm just saying that here's a man who did some pretty remarkable things during his tenure, and perhaps deserves a little respect regardless of the things he did that were not in your taste. | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On September 03 2010 22:31 setzer wrote: I give zero credit to coach Cho for making Jaedong and Anytime good. A coach will never be able to fully teach someone with the talent of Jaedong and Flash, those players are just too good. Rather, a coach leaves his mark imo by maximizing the potential of those who have lesser skills and by putting them to good use with proper conditioning and strategy in proleague. The reason why CJ's coach Cho is so revered is because he can take players from the ground and build them into A-class talent. I am pretty sure Jaedong would have never become such a great player in any other team. The coach and JD have a father-son relationsship, hell JD cried and played horribly during the FA affair. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:05 Holgerius wrote: I am pretty sure JD would've been just as great no matter what team he was in. Perhaps. If you were talking about Nada, I wouldn't hesitate to answer. Coach Cho saw something in Jaedong that was not apparent at the time, since he wasn't a prodigy of Flash-esque measures, and took special care to make sure that he would get as much television exposure as possible, for one thing. Jaedong flourished under Coach Cho's attentive eye, but I believe it is difficult to say whether he would have done worse, the same, or even better in a different environment. I could picture a scenario where a team simply disregards the need for yet another zerg player that did not have particularly impressive skills as an amateur player. Or a scenario where the highly skilled pre-exisisting members of a prestigious team curb the growth of a new player that quickly becomes demoralized without the presence of a mentor to guide him. | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:05 Holgerius wrote: I am pretty sure JD would've been just as great no matter what team he was in. Maybe, but he sure didn't start out great. Of course, we are in no position to know how much of his development was due to his coach, and how much was due to other factors, but he definitely needed to develop. | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On September 03 2010 17:07 Milkis wrote: according to rumors he got fired cause he did a lot of sketchy things and an anonymous letter went into the executive office detailing all the sketchy things he did sooooo We should be talking about this. Nothing else matters if this is true. I for one am interested in finding out what these sketchy things were. What a stupid thing to do if its true. You just betrayed the single most loyal gamer who gave 110% effort to you. I'm legit disappointed that a fully overgrown man could betray someone who is like a son to him that sweated blood and tears to carry Oz for him. Pathetic. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On September 03 2010 14:44 hacklebeast wrote: hOpe they can find a coach with some bold new strategies, like not using Killer for ACE, or at all for that matter.If sending Killer for ace isn't a bold strategy, then I dunno what is.. | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:08 jyLee wrote: We should be talking about this. Nothing else matters if this is true. I for one am interested in finding out what these sketchy things were. What a stupid thing to do if its true. You just betrayed the single most loyal gamer who gave 110% effort to you. I'm legit disappointed that a fully overgrown man could betray someone who is like a son to him that sweated blood and tears to carry Oz for him. Pathetic. Now you've piqued my curiosity. What did you do Coach Cho!?!? :D | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Besides, i always liked this coach cho for some reason. He seemed like a fatherly figure to JD. =\ | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:31 SuperArc wrote: Heh Now us JD fanboys will have an excuse fix'd | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Edit: On September 04 2010 02:49 Atrioc wrote: Noooooooooooooooooo Hwaseung House is ruined Goddammit. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
Not to mention Hwaseung House  . | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 04 2010 02:22 love1another wrote: Now you've piqued my curiosity. What did you do Coach Cho!?!? :D Wait, I thought Coach Cho was JD's #1 supporter...what is this rumor? | ||
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
hmmmm | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Say what you say about his past, what he did 3 years ago has no meaning if he sucks right now. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
On September 04 2010 02:49 Atrioc wrote: Noooooooooooooooooo Hwaseung House is ruined ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/6jAwN.png) It's still good, It's still good... | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:08 jyLee wrote: We should be talking about this. Nothing else matters if this is true. I for one am interested in finding out what these sketchy things were. What a stupid thing to do if its true. You just betrayed the single most loyal gamer who gave 110% effort to you. I'm legit disappointed that a fully overgrown man could betray someone who is like a son to him that sweated blood and tears to carry Oz for him. Pathetic. Nothing has been confirmed mister rumor mill. Might want to calm down for now. Might wanna learn to read. Notice how I said IF this were true. Putting everything together it seems pretty legit, Why would Oz let go of someone who JD cares alot for if there wasnt something there. Also theres no way Coach Cho "retired" as coach... It's not like hes got other jobs lined up for him paying 100k a year.... /facepalm Well really IF I read your post, it would've been pretty clear to me that you already decided that IF = guilty. A lot of people retire/move on with their careers 100k a year isn't some unheard of sum of money that no one could ever abandon, especially for people with connections. Coach Cho is fairly old maybe he's just tired of the grind. Maybe he got fired because Oz didn't reach the benchmarks that he said he could take them to. Point is there are a lot of maybes for someone with zero inside knowledge to believe they know all the facts. /facepalm | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On September 04 2010 11:26 DminusTerran wrote: Nothing has been confirmed mister rumor mill. Might want to calm down for now. Might wanna learn to read. Notice how I said IF this were true. Putting everything together it seems pretty legit, Why would Oz let go of someone who JD cares alot for if there wasnt something there. Also theres no way Coach Cho "retired" as coach... It's not like hes got other jobs lined up for him paying 100k a year.... /facepalm | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
This Cho ain't that Cho, but say it ain't cho! On the other hand, Jaedong has one less attachment to Oz, the possibility of him switching team has increased by a significant percentage. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
On September 04 2010 02:49 Atrioc wrote: Noooooooooooooooooo Hwaseung House is ruined Can you make a farewell edition? Please? | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + in all seriousness, not sure if it's bad or good for the BW scene but it's sad nonetheless | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On September 04 2010 14:37 OpticalShot wrote: Well I kind of understand his decision since he's been under a lot of criticism for failing to reach the playoffs in SPL last season. He really needed to stay off the pressure and stuff, yeah. But I still think he should have stayed in his seat until Jaedong finished his season (OSL finals). No doubt that despite being the only reason Oz has more than 5 wins last season, Jaedong feels some sort of fault in this. He's still going to be there for the finals. At least that's what the op's quote seems to imply. While Hwaseung asked Manager Cho to take care of the team until the contract expires | ||
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pieisamazing
United States1234 Posts
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L_P_Monix
Australia157 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Sicktanick
Sweden40 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
HAHAHAHAHAHAH well done coach cho </3 | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
BW forum is full of other epic threads that need to be bumped while waiting for the rebellious PL .. | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
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