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Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 22:35 GMT
#21
I don't understand people who bash TvT, just cause the games seem to drag out longer than they should. (Which isn't true, this is just how TvT works.) SkyHigh vs Fantasy was an amazing game and you should watch it when you have the time. There is a quote, idk who said it but it was in the thread after the match that I think describes the game perfectly lol... Something along the lines of. "Fantasy was up in econemy and harassing everywhere, then all of a sudden SkyHigh said "This is my matchup!" Made a bunch of tanks and just straight up killed fantasy."
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
July 17 2010 22:40 GMT
#22
Fantasy, noooooooooooo. Held onto so much territory, moved in for the kill, then found himself back against the ropes.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
July 17 2010 22:41 GMT
#23
On July 18 2010 07:35 Spyfire242 wrote:
I don't understand people who bash TvT, just cause the games seem to drag out longer than they should. (Which isn't true, this is just how TvT works.) SkyHigh vs Fantasy was an amazing game and you should watch it when you have the time. There is a quote, idk who said it but it was in the thread after the match that I think describes the game perfectly lol... Something along the lines of. "Fantasy was up in econemy and harassing everywhere, then all of a sudden SkyHigh said "This is my matchup!" Made a bunch of tanks and just straight up killed fantasy."

The difference between translating a game and hating a match-up is that:

If you translate TvT, unless some interesting build comes out, it all ends up with the words

'Tanks' 'Vulture' 'Goliath' 'Dropship'


Example:

AHHH THAT TANK GOES DOWN!!! BUT THERE'S ANOTHER TANK IN THE BACK THAT WILL HOLD!!! IN THE MEANWHILE THAT TANK GOES INTO THE MAIN!!!


Now if you hate the Match Up (I don't like TvZ... I don't find it interesting), you don't like seeing it. Doesn't mean that this should be not translated however.


In general, I do not translate TvT not because I hate it so much, but because there is none needed. I even state that I will skip the TvTs and most people agree.

Do I hate TvT? I hate the fact that it lasts long, but it's a good MU.
ppp
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 17 2010 22:44 GMT
#24
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2010 07:41 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 07:35 Spyfire242 wrote:
I don't understand people who bash TvT, just cause the games seem to drag out longer than they should. (Which isn't true, this is just how TvT works.) SkyHigh vs Fantasy was an amazing game and you should watch it when you have the time. There is a quote, idk who said it but it was in the thread after the match that I think describes the game perfectly lol... Something along the lines of. "Fantasy was up in econemy and harassing everywhere, then all of a sudden SkyHigh said "This is my matchup!" Made a bunch of tanks and just straight up killed fantasy."

The difference between translating a game and hating a match-up is that:

If you translate TvT, unless some interesting build comes out, it all ends up with the words

'Tanks' 'Vulture' 'Goliath' 'Dropship'


Example:

AHHH THAT TANK GOES DOWN!!! BUT THERE'S ANOTHER TANK IN THE BACK THAT WILL HOLD!!! IN THE MEANWHILE THAT TANK GOES INTO THE MAIN!!!


Now if you hate the Match Up (I don't like TvZ... I don't find it interesting), you don't like seeing it. Doesn't mean that this should be not translated however.


In general, I do not translate TvT not because I hate it so much, but because there is none needed. I even state that I will skip the TvTs and most people agree.

Do I hate TvT? I hate the fact that it lasts long, but it's a good MU.



Sorry pal, I wasn't referring to you specifically, just thinking out loud.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
July 17 2010 22:52 GMT
#25
what SKT coach needs to do is sending Fantasy - Bisu - Best in order.. this will surely fuck CJ up.
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 17 2010 23:05 GMT
#26
You want SKT Zerg to play at an S-class level?

Why don't you ask for a million dollars to fall from the sky in front of you, that probably has a more likely chance of occurring.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 17 2010 23:17 GMT
#27
On July 18 2010 07:52 darkemperor wrote:
what SKT coach needs to do is sending Fantasy - Bisu - Best in order.. this will surely fuck CJ up.

Because sending players without regard to the maps they're playing on is a good idea.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 17 2010 23:35 GMT
#28
SKT Zergs need to step-up their game for the team to win a BO7. As simple as that.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
July 18 2010 00:00 GMT
#29
Hyuk lost because of the build orders at that particular close positions on Judgement Day. If he wasn't scouted first, or if he was in any other spot on the map, the match could gone entirely differently.
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
July 18 2010 01:06 GMT
#30
s2, soo or Hyuk need to step up their game for SKT to have a shot. That being said Fantasy, Best, or Bisu cant fail in their games either. From what we've seen yesterday I dont think they will.
HUNK1984
Profile Joined May 2010
Malaysia22 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 01:12:25
July 18 2010 01:11 GMT
#31
I think Iris lost because of his failed first push. Not because he's not expand fast enough. Bisu at that time have 3 bases vs Iris's 3 bases. So I think Iris have not fallen behind before that push. Have that 1st push succeeded, he can easily secure his 4th and 5th, keep macroing up and steamrolled Bisu right there. And that failed push came from placing his siege tank on the mine (Opppps....)
I have no idea for now
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 18 2010 01:21 GMT
#32
Just finished watching Bisu vs Iris... It seems that Iris lost that game when he tried to move out with his first push. He seemed to be preparing to push towards Bisu's nat and then all of a sudden decided to secure 4th without proper preparation. His positioning was terrible. Coupled with the fact hat Bisu delayed 4th to get more units he got completely destroyed that.

I don't really know what was the reason he wanted to secure that 4th so quickly... Seemed to me he would be ok just pushing towards Bisu's nat and sitting on 3 bases for a while longer.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 18 2010 01:32 GMT
#33
i was impressed with snow's play, i thought he did a good job despite getting cornholed in the battles alot by soo. its too bad for skt1 that hyuk wasnt sent out in the first set, because i think they wouldve won the match with bisu v whoever in the ace

and man, i hate the terminology 'snipe.' sounds so queer
HEY MEYT
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 18 2010 01:40 GMT
#34
On July 18 2010 10:32 JohnColtrane wrote:
i was impressed with snow's play, i thought he did a good job despite getting cornholed in the battles alot by soo. its too bad for skt1 that hyuk wasnt sent out in the first set, because i think they wouldve won the match with bisu v whoever in the ace

and man, i hate the terminology 'snipe.' sounds so queer

lol why don't you like it? i think it's a perfect term
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
July 18 2010 01:45 GMT
#35
On July 18 2010 03:45 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 03:10 Geo.Rion wrote:
that TvT was wierd
I was like, blluaaahh w/e Fanta has this Skyhigh is done, we just need 10-15 minutes to gve it up, as TvT is like that. Then checking back a couple minutes later skyhigh pushing out, fantasy has no units i'm like wtf. Then Fanta kills all skyhigh's units and drops his island expo. I'm like ok, nothing changed really. Then like 30 seconds later Skyhigh eliminates the drop, takes control over the center, drops Fanta's exp with a lot of units

I was like, wtf, since when do i suck this badly at analyzing BW?


I haven't watched a TvT that exhilarating since Baby vs. Flash game 2 in Korean Air OSL. Every second counted and fantasy lost because he was just one second behind Skyhigh for a while.



Totally agree. I even said it in the stream. That seriously was the most action packed TvT in a LONG, long time.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 18 2010 02:19 GMT
#36
On July 18 2010 10:40 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 10:32 JohnColtrane wrote:
i was impressed with snow's play, i thought he did a good job despite getting cornholed in the battles alot by soo. its too bad for skt1 that hyuk wasnt sent out in the first set, because i think they wouldve won the match with bisu v whoever in the ace

and man, i hate the terminology 'snipe.' sounds so queer

lol why don't you like it? i think it's a perfect term


that protoss got SNIPED just doesnt sound like it fits whats going on. when i think of snipe, i think of you know, shot in the head from a long distance without anyone knowing who did it
HEY MEYT
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 18 2010 02:30 GMT
#37
On July 18 2010 10:11 HUNK1984 wrote:
I think Iris lost because of his failed first push. Not because he's not expand fast enough. Bisu at that time have 3 bases vs Iris's 3 bases. So I think Iris have not fallen behind before that push. Have that 1st push succeeded, he can easily secure his 4th and 5th, keep macroing up and steamrolled Bisu right there. And that failed push came from placing his siege tank on the mine (Opppps....)


If anything, overexpansion was more likely Iris' bane than the reverse. I don't think either are quite the culprit, but the commentators were saying that Iris was playing into Bisu's hands by taking a third rather than continuing to apply pressure. I agree. I think he should have tried for a contain, then take his third. But hindsight is 20/20, as is the omniscient observer cam.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 02:33:01
July 18 2010 02:31 GMT
#38
thanks for the translation nova...we appreciate

Edit: how is it possible to hate TvZ? What do you hate about it? I think it is the most interesting match-up
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
July 18 2010 03:24 GMT
#39
On July 18 2010 11:31 swanized wrote:
thanks for the translation nova...we appreciate

Edit: how is it possible to hate TvZ? What do you hate about it? I think it is the most interesting match-up

I just don't like it as much as other matchups. It's also biased with the fact that I play P =/
ppp
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
July 18 2010 03:46 GMT
#40
On July 18 2010 00:48 supernovamaniac wrote:
Movie, on the other hand, showed us that he's a fluke once again. Now I'm starting to doubt myself if it was Movie that actually made it to OSL finals and actually won a match against Flash in set 3. Sure, there was the BO advantage by Best, but Movie tried to out-macro Best. Seriously, no offense, but why would you do this? Best is known to Koreans as Do-Mul-Yang (mulyang meaning quantity), and you try to out-macro him. Please reconsider next time.

This is just so painfully wrong. What was the biggest mistake movie made?

Attacking with his early 5-6 goons WITHOUT range against 3-4 goons WITH range and 2 cannons.
Him being too aggressive cost him the game more than anything, but you try to chalk it up to "trying to outmacro Best".

He had two bases, and sort of a third. Any progamer-level player can macro properly from 2.5 bases unless being severly harassed. Yes, Best is famous for his macro, but even if you assume it was of a consistently higher standard than Movie's in that game, "Trying to outmacro Best" is an awfully misleading and uninsightful comment.

What, should all players all-in against Best? That's what that overused line "trying to outmacro" implies. It's horrible.
The original Bogus fan.
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