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Why CJ Entus Will Win the Proleague - Page 4

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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4344 Posts
July 14 2010 21:18 GMT
#61
Very well written OP and I couldnt agree more! Go CJ! This is the year!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 14 2010 21:21 GMT
#62
On July 15 2010 03:40 Lightwip wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129365
CJ is a pretty good team, but they really don't have what it takes to go so far. They have to snipe successfully. I wish they didn't have to play SKT yet, but their players are rather bad at their weak matchups.
(Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2>(P)Snow, (T)sKyHigh, (P)Movie/(Z)EffOrt with luck((P)Movie sux atm, (Z)EffOrt can potentially get sniped)
(P)Bisu> any CJ player
(Z)EffOrt> (P)BeSt, maybe (T)Fantasy, Zergs, (T)Canata
(T)Fantasy> (P)Movie, (T)Iris, any sniper if he gets lucky
(P)BeSt>(P)Movie, (T)sKyHigh, (P)Snow, (T)Iris
It really depends on the matchups. This can be close or it can be 1-sided in SKT's favor. SKT has a better ace, if it comes that far.


Nope. Not seeing it.

Bisu can be sniped by any TvP and PvP *cough* Iris/Movie *cough*. He can still be beaten by Effort's monster ZvP. Fantasy will definitely lose to Effort, may lose to Movie or Snow. Any SKT zerg WILL lose to effort. SKT is not as deep as their playoff performance shows. They won't do as well as SKT fangirls are expecting.
WWJDD??
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
July 14 2010 21:23 GMT
#63
Best thread ever

Will cooperate
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
July 14 2010 21:38 GMT
#64
On July 15 2010 02:35 night terrors wrote:
Bisu>Iris

You sure about that one? A certain epic series from the MSL last year begs to differ.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
July 14 2010 21:45 GMT
#65
Nice write up and good luck to CJ I guess, cause they are gonna need every ounce of it to survive SKT1.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
July 14 2010 21:46 GMT
#66
I LOLed.

Maybe CJ will make it interesting. I just hope they won't get rolled or Hyuked.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 21:50:55
July 14 2010 21:48 GMT
#67
On July 15 2010 06:21 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 03:40 Lightwip wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129365
CJ is a pretty good team, but they really don't have what it takes to go so far. They have to snipe successfully. I wish they didn't have to play SKT yet, but their players are rather bad at their weak matchups.
(Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2>(P)Snow, (T)sKyHigh, (P)Movie/(Z)EffOrt with luck((P)Movie sux atm, (Z)EffOrt can potentially get sniped)
(P)Bisu> any CJ player
(Z)EffOrt> (P)BeSt, maybe (T)Fantasy, Zergs, (T)Canata
(T)Fantasy> (P)Movie, (T)Iris, any sniper if he gets lucky
(P)BeSt>(P)Movie, (T)sKyHigh, (P)Snow, (T)Iris
It really depends on the matchups. This can be close or it can be 1-sided in SKT's favor. SKT has a better ace, if it comes that far.


Nope. Not seeing it.

Bisu can be sniped by any TvP and PvP *cough* Iris/Movie *cough*. He can still be beaten by Effort's monster ZvP. Fantasy will definitely lose to Effort, may lose to Movie or Snow. Any SKT zerg WILL lose to effort. SKT is not as deep as their playoff performance shows. They won't do as well as SKT fangirls are expecting.

Bisu -- You're overstating how snipe-able Bisu is in TvP, when his recent PvT shows otherwise. As for PvP, Movie's PvP record recently has been pretty lackluster as well. Snow would beat Bisu in PvP for sure, but why waste him there when he can snipe Fantasy?

Fantasy -- As I said in a previous post, Effort has shown some pretty bad decision-making against mech. Look at Effort vs Fantasy and Effort vs Flash. Not games I would expect from someone of his caliber. If Fantasy gets put against him on a map that's good for mech, this can reasonably work out in Fantasy's favor. He will lose to Snow, but probably not to Movie.

SKT Zergs -- They'll lose to Effort in ZvZ, but Effort can't play Bisu, Fantasy, and Hyuk all in the same match. At the same time, they're full capable of peeling wins off Skyhigh, Snow, Hydra, and Iris. How these factor into the matchups has largely to do with their placement in the lineup--and Coach Park has shown himself to be extremely good at deciding lineups.

I think more attention needs to be given to the coaches. Coach Park and Coach Cho have definitely shown themselves to be some of the best in the business, and if anything, this is a match between their abilities, and not just the players. It's no coincidence that both teams have lineups that would not have come this far were it not for their coaches' abilities.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 14 2010 21:56 GMT
#68
hahah Paul!

CJ HWAITINGG!!!!

great write-up!!
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 14 2010 22:04 GMT
#69
This will be CJ's year
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
July 14 2010 22:05 GMT
#70
Coach Cho is the bonjwa of getting the right match ups, so I'm very confident in CJ.

CJ FIGHTING!
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 14 2010 22:18 GMT
#71
CJ definitely hast the best team for the format. No contest. Also this time, Jaedong can't ace match them to death....soooo yeah. Expecting good things from them
GANDHISAUCE
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 14 2010 22:25 GMT
#72
Bisu lost to (P)SeCret. Yeah that (P)SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu.
WWJDD??
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 14 2010 22:33 GMT
#73
On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:
Bisu lost to (P)SeCret. Yeah that (P)SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu.

Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 22:40:49
July 14 2010 22:38 GMT
#74
I would not include Hydra in the calculations. He lost to Best. Seriously...Best...PvZ. His fluky individual league performances will end int he RO16...

Edit: lol @ people saying Bisu will get sniped easily. No he won't, he's really stepped up his performance. He's not 100% full strength yet but he's approaching that. 100% strength Bisu can take out Flash and Jaedong without difficulty, let alone...Effort. O_O
Bisu is the man
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 14 2010 22:42 GMT
#75
On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:
Bisu lost to (P)SeCret. Yeah that (P)SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu.

Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump.

Eh, let him have his fun.

Oh, and by the way, Movie lost to (P)herb. Yeah that (P)herb.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
July 14 2010 22:43 GMT
#76
nice write up and since paul is predicting it, its a done deal.
moon`
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States372 Posts
July 14 2010 22:52 GMT
#77
Go CJ!
Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like pandabearguy.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
July 14 2010 22:54 GMT
#78
Great article. However, something is nagging me and I have to get it off my chest: under point five, you have the word effected. It should be affected. Thanks. -_-
connoisseur
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
July 14 2010 23:07 GMT
#79
I think it's a mistake to say that CJ has much more depth than SKT. In fact thats just plain dumb.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 14 2010 23:12 GMT
#80
On July 15 2010 08:07 jyLee wrote:
I think it's a mistake to say that CJ has much more depth than SKT. In fact thats just plain dumb.


Son, I am disappoint.

Anyway, CJ will take this easily, its kinda sad really, all the games will be one sided in CJ's favor as they yawn-rape their way to the finals.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
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