SC2 - Moon vs ret? - SC Weekly Feb. 11 - Page 4

On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)

On February 12 2010 11:23 Artosis wrote:


if europe has 400 million people and korea has 50 million people, for every jaedong in korea there are 8 in europe.

On February 13 2010 05:52 Lefnui wrote:

That doesn't make any sense at all.

On February 13 2010 05:57 s.a.y wrote:


it does.

400/50 = 8

On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:

Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.

The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.

I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.

On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:

Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.

The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.

I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.

On February 13 2010 10:19 Raydog wrote:
great show. As an ex-war3 player, I can say that moon is one of the most innovative, gifted, and skilled war3 player, and just a great RTS player all-around. He is constantly inventing new strategies which are being used all the time, and at the same time manages to still be baller at SC.

Since sc2 is going to be brand new, all new strategies, I expect there will be a lot of unique plays on Moon's part.





I agree 100% on Korea having the best scene for SC, but not for War3. War3 isn't really separated like SC is, where SC has Pro (Korea) and Foreigners (everyone else). In War3, basically it is even across the board. You can have a guy from the Netherlands win a tourney, then the next one a korean wins, then a chinese, etc etc. China is basically the Korea for War3, but not to the extreme Korea has it. China doesn't have pro-houses, Courage, all that stuff, but they still pack the house for live war3 games like Koreans do for SC (wcg Beijing, soooo many fans during war3 games).

On February 13 2010 10:51 TeWy wrote:


Actually, there's 2 pro War3 houses in China, WE and EHOME.
But you shouldn't feed the trolls, or maybe is he not a troll and just an aggressive idiot who gets confused over his own logical fallacies, in any cases I find it futile to have a discussion with these kind of persons.
I used to think that the "thou shall respect forum veterans" rule was not great, and elitist, but when a 1 post guy starts insulting and talking down to respectable users, also misrepresenting or ignoring their arguments, there's something wrong imo.

On February 13 2010 09:07 iG.SwOrD wrote:
I dont understand all of this Ret hype when he is like 25? years old and i dont see him playing bw in 1 year. (ITS JUST NOT RIGHT IMO, GET A WIFE)

On February 13 2010 17:50 Puosu wrote:

People like you are one of the biggest reason the western esports scene is nowhere near Korea.

On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:

Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.

The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.

I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.

On February 13 2010 19:30 iG.SwOrD wrote:


People like me got life and dont live in fantasy movies like you. Life is not bw scene sonn i think you should get a glance at reality. Being a korean esport suckup will get you nowhere in lifee you know? How about you leave the game to the kids at 15 and leave people at 25 like Ret handle real life?

it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.

he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now

who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc

On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote:



Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW