On February 13 2010 09:07 iG.SwOrD wrote: I dont understand all of this Ret hype when he is like 25? years old and i dont see him playing bw in 1 year. (ITS JUST NOT RIGHT IMO, GET A WIFE)
People like you are one of the biggest reason the western esports scene is nowhere near Korea.
People like me got life and dont live in fantasy movies like you. Life is not bw scene sonn i think you should get a glance at reality. Being a korean esport suckup will get you nowhere in lifee you know? How about you leave the game to the kids at 15 and leave people at 25 like Ret handle real life?
Now Puosu did react without basis. However, I don't see how passion keeps him, so out of touch with reality, that he won't succeed in it.
Until society's 'forever young' mindset changes, people will try to hang onto their youth. Like baby boomers, but starting even earlier.
On February 13 2010 10:19 Raydog wrote: great show. As an ex-war3 player, I can say that moon is one of the most innovative, gifted, and skilled war3 player, and just a great RTS player all-around. He is constantly inventing new strategies which are being used all the time, and at the same time manages to still be baller at SC.
Since sc2 is going to be brand new, all new strategies, I expect there will be a lot of unique plays on Moon's part.
On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:57 s.a.y wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:52 Lefnui wrote:
On February 12 2010 11:23 Artosis wrote:
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote: I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...
seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth
The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc
I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)
if europe has 400 million people and korea has 50 million people, for every jaedong in korea there are 8 in europe.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
it does.
400/50 = 8
Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.
The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.
I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.
I agree 100% on Korea having the best scene for SC, but not for War3. War3 isn't really separated like SC is, where SC has Pro (Korea) and Foreigners (everyone else). In War3, basically it is even across the board. You can have a guy from the Netherlands win a tourney, then the next one a korean wins, then a chinese, etc etc. China is basically the Korea for War3, but not to the extreme Korea has it. China doesn't have pro-houses, Courage, all that stuff, but they still pack the house for live war3 games like Koreans do for SC (wcg Beijing, soooo many fans during war3 games).
That's simply not true at all. I agree with you that it's not at all to the extent of Korean domination in Starcraft, but South Korea has still been the strongest nation in Warcraft III by far. And your assertion that China is that country in Warcraft III is wrong. I can name an endless amount of former elite, pro players in Warcraft III from South Korea.
That's by no means a complete list, just the Korean pro players that came to mind instantly. I think you'd be hard-pressed to make such a list for any other country, including China. I could go on and on digging up quotes from European players like MaDFroG discussing how superior the Korean scene is, or Grubby saying how shocked he was by the level of skill when 4K traveled to South Korea in order to join the Prime League. But I think it should be clear to anyone with a good sense of the Wacraft III scene that South Korea has been dominant.
To put it simply, half of the war3 pro's are foreing and half are Koreans. Besides, if you think of all top players in time at least half of them are Koreans: Moon, Remind, Lyn, GoStop, Check, Sweet, FoV, ShowTime etc...
On February 11 2010 17:49 Alphonsse wrote: Really amazing that moon, one of the best war3 players ever, can takes games off of B teamers in sc. I actually posted in that b league results thread that I didn't believe it was the war3 player moon.
He is just a natural at strategy games, he should have switched to SC right away and gotten amazing at that.
On February 13 2010 10:19 Raydog wrote: great show. As an ex-war3 player, I can say that moon is one of the most innovative, gifted, and skilled war3 player, and just a great RTS player all-around. He is constantly inventing new strategies which are being used all the time, and at the same time manages to still be baller at SC.
Since sc2 is going to be brand new, all new strategies, I expect there will be a lot of unique plays on Moon's part.
On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:57 s.a.y wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:52 Lefnui wrote:
On February 12 2010 11:23 Artosis wrote:
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote: I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...
seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth
The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc
I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)
if europe has 400 million people and korea has 50 million people, for every jaedong in korea there are 8 in europe.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
it does.
400/50 = 8
Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.
The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.
I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.
I agree 100% on Korea having the best scene for SC, but not for War3. War3 isn't really separated like SC is, where SC has Pro (Korea) and Foreigners (everyone else). In War3, basically it is even across the board. You can have a guy from the Netherlands win a tourney, then the next one a korean wins, then a chinese, etc etc. China is basically the Korea for War3, but not to the extreme Korea has it. China doesn't have pro-houses, Courage, all that stuff, but they still pack the house for live war3 games like Koreans do for SC (wcg Beijing, soooo many fans during war3 games).
That's simply not true at all. I agree with you that it's not at all to the extent of Korean domination in Starcraft, but South Korea has still been the strongest nation in Warcraft III by far. And your assertion that China is that country in Warcraft III is wrong. I can name an endless amount of former elite, pro players in Warcraft III from South Korea.
That's by no means a complete list, just the Korean pro players that came to mind instantly. I think you'd be hard-pressed to make such a list for any other country, including China. I could go on and on digging up quotes from European players like MaDFroG discussing how superior the Korean scene is, or Grubby saying how shocked he was by the level of skill when 4K traveled to South Korea in order to join the Prime League. But I think it should be clear to anyone with a good sense of the Wacraft III scene that South Korea has been dominant.
To put it simply, half of the war3 pro's are foreing and half are Koreans. Besides, if you think of all top players in time at least half of them are Koreans: Moon, Remind, Lyn, GoStop, Check, Sweet, FoV, ShowTime etc...
Having played both SC and WC3 I would say that the only resemblances with sc2 and wc3 are the graphics, the units dont behave the same as wc characters and there are no heros to throw the battles one way or another. I do not know if WC3 players will dominate SC2 but they have an equal chance as SC1 players since it is a new canvas to paint on.
nothing special compared to Jaedong or Flash's FPVOD =)
oh yeah, man Ian Thorpe's records are nothing special compared to Michael Phelps'
Larry Bird is nothing special compared to Michael Jordan
that other golfer guy is nothing special compared to Tiger woods
Rafael Nadal is nothing special compared to Roger Federer
Agreed, also you cant compare people in different areas...
Example, Larry Bird is nothing compared to Tiger Woods... just doesnt make sense. The games dont require the same skills. Speed being one of them, there is no need for 300APM in WC3.
On February 13 2010 10:19 Raydog wrote: great show. As an ex-war3 player, I can say that moon is one of the most innovative, gifted, and skilled war3 player, and just a great RTS player all-around. He is constantly inventing new strategies which are being used all the time, and at the same time manages to still be baller at SC.
Since sc2 is going to be brand new, all new strategies, I expect there will be a lot of unique plays on Moon's part.
On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:57 s.a.y wrote:
On February 13 2010 05:52 Lefnui wrote:
On February 12 2010 11:23 Artosis wrote:
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote: I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...
seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth
The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc
I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)
if europe has 400 million people and korea has 50 million people, for every jaedong in korea there are 8 in europe.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
it does.
400/50 = 8
Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to.
The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so.
I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact.
I agree 100% on Korea having the best scene for SC, but not for War3. War3 isn't really separated like SC is, where SC has Pro (Korea) and Foreigners (everyone else). In War3, basically it is even across the board. You can have a guy from the Netherlands win a tourney, then the next one a korean wins, then a chinese, etc etc. China is basically the Korea for War3, but not to the extreme Korea has it. China doesn't have pro-houses, Courage, all that stuff, but they still pack the house for live war3 games like Koreans do for SC (wcg Beijing, soooo many fans during war3 games).
That's simply not true at all. I agree with you that it's not at all to the extent of Korean domination in Starcraft, but South Korea has still been the strongest nation in Warcraft III by far. And your assertion that China is that country in Warcraft III is wrong. I can name an endless amount of former elite, pro players in Warcraft III from South Korea.
That's by no means a complete list, just the Korean pro players that came to mind instantly. I think you'd be hard-pressed to make such a list for any other country, including China. I could go on and on digging up quotes from European players like MaDFroG discussing how superior the Korean scene is, or Grubby saying how shocked he was by the level of skill when 4K traveled to South Korea in order to join the Prime League. But I think it should be clear to anyone with a good sense of the Wacraft III scene that South Korea has been dominant.
To put it simply, half of the war3 pro's are foreing and half are Koreans. Besides, if you think of all top players in time at least half of them are Koreans: Moon, Remind, Lyn, GoStop, Check, Sweet, FoV, ShowTime etc...
this is just wrong, sorry at one point maybe, but ever since the star/prime league ended in Korea, their wc3 players have not been the best. In any international tournament right now, the Chinese are slightly favored, although it is still pretty even between china/korea/europe
As for the scene, China is the only one with big activity for wc3
EPT
