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On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote + it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW
he's got a job, so why dont you get off his nuts and come suck on mine?
you dont know anything about ret in his private life so why dont you sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. if ret wants to play and be 'dumb', then that's what he will do
oh and, YOU FUCKING NERD
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On February 13 2010 19:54 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote: it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW He fucking moved to Korea to pursue a career at Starcraft, doesn't look like he can't "afford" to devote his life to a dream. Enjoy your nine to five job and a boring life, I for one respect people who are willing to take a risk at pursuing their life long dream. Just interested, what is your view on chess professionals? And how do you think they or the current top SC players got there? You have to sacrifice certain things if you want to achieve something.
He can do whatever he wants with his life i dont give a fuck. I doubt lot of people can take such a person seriously in life , computer addict. For a nerd like you everything is boring besides playing games. Fucking pussys..
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you're a nutter, that's like saying we can't take ronaldinho seriously because he devotes lots of time to football. then you go and call someone a nerd and assume they think everything else is boring, but you really have no clue about them whatsoever and then call them a pussy
thanks for your sad ass opinions, now kindly crawl back under whatever rock you came out from you cretin
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On February 13 2010 19:54 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote: it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW he's got a job, so why dont you get off his nuts and come suck on mine? you dont know anything about ret in his private life so why dont you sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. if ret wants to play and be 'dumb', then that's what he will do oh and, YOU FUCKING NERD
Rofl trash kid. Whats his job? Flipping burgers somewhere? What his education? He lives on his own? He got a gf? He got a car? What about his social life? I know he is good at a computer game , tell me more yo.
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On February 13 2010 20:20 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 19:54 Puosu wrote:On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote: it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW He fucking moved to Korea to pursue a career at Starcraft, doesn't look like he can't "afford" to devote his life to a dream. Enjoy your nine to five job and a boring life, I for one respect people who are willing to take a risk at pursuing their life long dream. Just interested, what is your view on chess professionals? And how do you think they or the current top SC players got there? You have to sacrifice certain things if you want to achieve something. He can do whatever he wants with his life i dont give a fuck. I doubt lot of people can take such a person seriously in life , computer addict. For a nerd like you everything is boring besides playing games. Fucking pussys..
Do you think like that of a person who devotes his/her life to art or sports?
It's the same level of dedication you need, you can't just say someday that hey I want to be a musician or the best golf player in the world and then just on your hands hoping to reach your dream.
So where is the difference? Obviously its not healthy for a person to concentrate his life hundred percent on one single thing but some sacrifices have to be made if you really want to be the best at anything. The same goes for the great doctors or scientists just as well.
And hey, you're attacking ret here even if you have no damn idea about his life, if you're feeling insecure and need to vent your rage somewhere please learn a new hobby or something with the additional energy.
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Jesus ive got nothing against ret im trying to give him an advice. A hundred players like kolll are gonna come along with sc2 so where does that leave him? He should focus on more important things which he is skipping while playing bw. The day after he stops playing he will be forgotten.
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On February 13 2010 20:46 iG.SwOrD wrote:
Jesus ive got nothing against ret im trying to give him an advice. A hundred players like kolll are gonna come along with sc2 so where does that leave him? He should focus on more important things which he is skipping while playing bw. The day after he stops playing he will be forgotten.
And what exactly makes Kolll so much adapt at becoming a SC2 pro? It can't be the dedication or lack of free time for sure as ret has already shown us he is willing to travel to the otherside of the whole god damn world to make his dream come true.
And who are you to give him advice?
And you're right, the day he stops pursuing his dream he will be forgotten. Unless he reaches it first.
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On February 13 2010 20:37 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 19:54 JohnColtrane wrote:On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote: it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW he's got a job, so why dont you get off his nuts and come suck on mine? you dont know anything about ret in his private life so why dont you sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. if ret wants to play and be 'dumb', then that's what he will do oh and, YOU FUCKING NERD Rofl trash kid. Whats his job? Flipping burgers somewhere? What his education? He lives on his own? He got a gf? He got a car? What about his social life? I know he is good at a computer game , tell me more yo.
Why are you on TL if that's your opinion about progaming? I'm confused.
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On February 13 2010 20:37 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 19:54 JohnColtrane wrote:On February 13 2010 19:49 iG.SwOrD wrote: it's just not right? why can't ret enjoy computer games, just because he's 25? he'll be a solid player if he puts his mind to it, just like he is in sc1.
he can still live life and play bw too, just like he's doing now
who the fuck are you to tell ret to get a wife or stop playing sc Another super nerd. He can enjoy computer game till he dies thats not the point. The point is you cant have a normal life study/work/social life and in the same time spend five hours on bw. People at his age have finished uni , got prospective jobs , gf , flat . HOW ABOUT YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP NERD? When sc2 comes around thousands of kids will start playing the game , they will play it all day because they can afford it. WHERE DO YOU SEE RET THERE? He is gonna dumb his life to be good at a computer game? WOW he's got a job, so why dont you get off his nuts and come suck on mine? you dont know anything about ret in his private life so why dont you sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. if ret wants to play and be 'dumb', then that's what he will do oh and, YOU FUCKING NERD Rofl trash kid. Whats his job? Flipping burgers somewhere? What his education? He lives on his own? He got a gf? He got a car? What about his social life? I know he is good at a computer game , tell me more yo.
Any professional sport requires a lot of time. Ret is at LLL atm, which pays him for playing. I'd much rather do something I like and get money for it than sit 9 hours in an office every day reading papers.
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Good stuff. Holland is going to be so good in SC2 if Grubby switches as well.
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On February 13 2010 21:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Good stuff. Holland is going to be so good in SC2 if Grubby switches as well.
qouted for the motha Fing truth. He will be switching to sc2 if I recall, at blizzcon i talked to him a lot, nicest progamer i've ever met.
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Lol at people predicting which players will dominate sc2. You just dont understand what a massive amount of players which will give a good shot at becoming number 1. Predicting a specific person to be that guy because he was successful in a previous RTS game...it doesnt make any sense to me. Im pretty sure that none of the biggest names in wc3 or sc will win any major tournament for sc2.
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On February 14 2010 00:42 Delykat wrote:
Lol at people predicting which players will dominate sc2. You just dont understand what a massive amount of players which will give a good shot at becoming number 1. Predicting a specific person to be that guy because he was successful in a previous RTS game...it doesnt make any sense to me. Im pretty sure that none of the biggest names in wc3 or sc will win any major tournament for sc2.
Really? You really don't think that someone like say, Jaedong or Flash, if they choose to involve themselves in SC2, wouldn't have any shot at winning a major SC2 tournament? Assuming there are such tournaments, which is likely. Or any progamer for that matter? Where exactly is their new and amazing competition going to come from, if not the basically the same pool of players that exist right now (other pros/semi-pros). Sure there will be an influx of brand new players who have probably never touched a RTS at the level of SC/SC2 in their life, but they won't matter at the highest levels. A billion D-'s can try to win an OSL, but it will never happen.
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On February 14 2010 00:42 Delykat wrote:
Lol at people predicting which players will dominate sc2. You just dont understand what a massive amount of players which will give a good shot at becoming number 1. Predicting a specific person to be that guy because he was successful in a previous RTS game...it doesnt make any sense to me. Im pretty sure that none of the biggest names in wc3 or sc will win any major tournament for sc2.
You're absolutely correct that there will be a lot of new fresh talent put in to the test, but right now there's very little we can speculate about those and it's very realistic that those who have shown their talent and dedication towards the current games will also be able to adapt to the new game if they choose to do so.
Moon and ret as were the examples here I believe could both reach a very high level of play in SC2, what is left to be seen is can the new players rival or even overtake them.
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On February 13 2010 10:19 Raydog wrote:great show. As an ex-war3 player, I can say that moon is one of the most innovative, gifted, and skilled war3 player, and just a great RTS player all-around. He is constantly inventing new strategies which are being used all the time, and at the same time manages to still be baller at SC. Since sc2 is going to be brand new, all new strategies, I expect there will be a lot of unique plays on Moon's part. Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 08:59 Lefnui wrote:On February 13 2010 05:57 s.a.y wrote:On February 13 2010 05:52 Lefnui wrote:On February 12 2010 11:23 Artosis wrote:On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2... seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks) if europe has 400 million people and korea has 50 million people, for every jaedong in korea there are 8 in europe. That doesn't make any sense at all. it does. 400/50 = 8 Wow, did you ever misunderstand and confuse the point. I didn't think I would have to explain this but it looks like I'm forced to. The comment he made is identical to saying "Asia has a far greater population than Switzerland, therefore it must contain many, many more Roger Federers". Take a look at the ATP rankings and you'll see that doesn't really make sense. Check the KeSPA rankings and you'll discover that there are no European players even near Jaedong's level. And no, it's not merely because Korean players are on a greater stage. To assume that a continent's population will directly correlate with the amount of elite Starcraft players it contains is pure folly. You must take into account the fact that South Korea is so much stronger than any other nation in Starcraft. It's like Russia and chess, if not even more so. I like the foreign scene in Starcraft and Warcraft III, I think that there are a lot of creative and strong players outside of South Korea. But let's be honest, it's absolutely nothing compared to the Korean scene in terms of strength. I'm really tired of seeing people deny that obvious fact. I agree 100% on Korea having the best scene for SC, but not for War3. War3 isn't really separated like SC is, where SC has Pro (Korea) and Foreigners (everyone else). In War3, basically it is even across the board. You can have a guy from the Netherlands win a tourney, then the next one a korean wins, then a chinese, etc etc. China is basically the Korea for War3, but not to the extreme Korea has it. China doesn't have pro-houses, Courage, all that stuff, but they still pack the house for live war3 games like Koreans do for SC (wcg Beijing, soooo many fans during war3 games).
That's simply not true at all. I agree with you that it's not at all to the extent of Korean domination in Starcraft, but South Korea has still been the strongest nation in Warcraft III by far. And your assertion that China is that country in Warcraft III is wrong. I can name an endless amount of former elite, pro players in Warcraft III from South Korea.
Moon, Lucifer, Lyn, FoCuS, Kenshin, Susiria, GoStop, DayFly, SocceR, FreeDom, EvenStar, Sweet, ShowTime, Swain, Romeo, FoV, Anyppi, May, EVE, Rainbow, ReiGn, SouthSea, NangChun, FarSeer, WhO, BerA, Space, ReMinD, SoJu, viOLet, Myth, Check, WinNers, MichaeL and Shy.
That's by no means a complete list, just the Korean pro players that came to mind instantly. I think you'd be hard-pressed to make such a list for any other country, including China. I could go on and on digging up quotes from European players like MaDFroG discussing how superior the Korean scene is, or Grubby saying how shocked he was by the level of skill when 4K traveled to South Korea in order to join the Prime League. But I think it should be clear to anyone with a good sense of the Wacraft III scene that South Korea has been dominant.
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Lol artosis you seem so mild mannered and calm and then every once and a while you just take it SO FAR and say something like "he was garbage" or something in this tone of voice that i just dont expect along side of your calm comparisons and analysis.
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dont mythologize koreans
jaedong lost a game to a2kate in wcg; many other pros lost games too
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Oh man... I really hope Grubby takes sc2 seriously. He's by far my fav wc3 gamer (with Moon a distant 2nd). Along with his hot girlfriend he will wreck havoc on the scene.
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I see how moon could be a threat in SC2 off the hop but not Ret.
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