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SC2 - Moon vs ret? - SC Weekly Feb. 11 - Page 3

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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
February 11 2010 15:31 GMT
#41
The background is so pimp
Thx for the weekly news Artosis.
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
February 11 2010 15:31 GMT
#42
Moon is a genius, yes, but he's far from the best war3 player on the scene atm. That may be due to the amount of SC he's playing, but I wouldn't think FOX would hire him to casually play on the B-Team as well as for the War3 competitions. But who knows.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
February 11 2010 16:18 GMT
#43
On February 11 2010 16:51 Ftrunkz wrote:
For next week, can you please make it so that the 'twitter questions' are at the end? I'd rather hear all the news I dont really care (and im sure im not alone) about twitter questions about what to do when terrans camping in the middle of the vid ><.

Much appreciated as always tho


You should suggest that on twitter.
agorist
Profile Joined July 2009
United States115 Posts
February 11 2010 16:22 GMT
#44
OMG THERE IS A YOUTUBE THREAD FOR SPAM LIKE THIS>
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
February 11 2010 16:36 GMT
#45
On February 12 2010 00:31 Jarvs wrote:
Moon is a genius, yes, but he's far from the best war3 player on the scene atm. That may be due to the amount of SC he's playing, but I wouldn't think FOX would hire him to casually play on the B-Team as well as for the War3 competitions. But who knows.


Lol he's obviously NOT far from being the best wc3 player. If he practises hard for a month he will be one of the absolute best. How is that far from? Maybe you need to pick up a dictionary.

That's like saying Bisu is far from being one of the best players in sc right now. No he's not. He's just some good weeks of practise away from it.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 11 2010 16:43 GMT
#46
i forgot to thank artosis for an another great show

keep going.
I am not good with quotes
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-11 16:46:47
February 11 2010 16:45 GMT
#47
On February 12 2010 00:31 Jarvs wrote:
Moon is a genius, yes, but he's far from the best war3 player on the scene atm. That may be due to the amount of SC he's playing, but I wouldn't think FOX would hire him to casually play on the B-Team as well as for the War3 competitions. But who knows.


Moon is most likely splitting his time up doing more things than 100% war3 practice. aka, SC2 helping with Blizzard.

if he did try hard in war3 still, he'd be top 3 as usual when he does.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
RyanS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States620 Posts
February 11 2010 18:40 GMT
#48
On February 12 2010 00:31 Jarvs wrote:
Moon is a genius, yes, but he's far from the best war3 player on the scene atm. That may be due to the amount of SC he's playing, but I wouldn't think FOX would hire him to casually play on the B-Team as well as for the War3 competitions. But who knows.


Last I checked, Moon was just recently in the final of WEM vs. Grubby. In case you don't know, WEM stands for World eSports Masters, meaning the best of the best get invited. He took second place there. So I'd say he's still pretty damn good.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-11 19:02:25
February 11 2010 18:57 GMT
#49
Moon is still the best Night Elf, but he definitely isn't the killing machine he once was.
(he was until ~2009).

The reason for this is that right now the Orc race is deeply imbalanced and winning 80% of the tournaments, it's only a matter of time before War3 ends up like War2 (with everybody playing Orc) which is the reason why a lot of non-Orc War3 players are eager to switch to Starcraft2.

If some of you guys wonder who Moon is, he was the best War3 player in terms of micro, macro, innovation, results since the release of Warcraft3:Frozen Throne to 2009 (4 years).
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
February 11 2010 19:01 GMT
#50
Wasnt Moon a SC/BW player from the beginning and switched to war3? if im not totally wrong?
ya its amazing that Moon can take games from decent bw players, just means that war3 players does have a sense for BW and when BW gamers and war3 players merge for SC2 it will be a really big competition and many new players that will struggle to be at the top.
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 11 2010 20:38 GMT
#51
On February 12 2010 04:01 NiGoL wrote:
Wasnt Moon a SC/BW player from the beginning and switched to war3? if im not totally wrong?
ya its amazing that Moon can take games from decent bw players, just means that war3 players does have a sense for BW and when BW gamers and war3 players merge for SC2 it will be a really big competition and many new players that will struggle to be at the top.

have you even watched the video
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
February 11 2010 21:02 GMT
#52
"Protoss - Imbalanced" is what he was going to say.. nice cover up though hehe.
Entusman #51
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
February 11 2010 21:16 GMT
#53
On February 12 2010 06:02 Mobius wrote:
"Protoss - Imbalanced" is what he was going to say.. nice cover up though hehe.

ye lol i said that in my room then i laffed when he said aliens
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
BlackYoshi
Profile Joined June 2009
United States84 Posts
February 11 2010 21:17 GMT
#54
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...

seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 11 2010 22:12 GMT
#55
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...

seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)

how can it be a macro game when macro has been simplified so so hard by the MBS?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-12 00:00:31
February 12 2010 00:00 GMT
#56
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...

seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)

have u ever played SCII at some event?
it FEELS more like wc3. no matter if its micro based or macro based. and yeah mb not big but just think about the building grouping. wc3 users for example are used 2 have more buildings in 1 grp. while u go back 2 base and use every single building. mb not such a big thing but still something.

and yeah its more about the feeling ant not about micro/macro based or whatever.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
February 12 2010 00:33 GMT
#57
On February 12 2010 09:00 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...

seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)

have u ever played SCII at some event?
it FEELS more like wc3. no matter if its micro based or macro based. and yeah mb not big but just think about the building grouping. wc3 users for example are used 2 have more buildings in 1 grp. while u go back 2 base and use every single building. mb not such a big thing but still something.

and yeah its more about the feeling ant not about micro/macro based or whatever.


I've got this feeling that you're a troll, am I right ?
A lot of Starcraft players having plaid Starcraft2 have stated that it felt really similar to SC1, and just because you felt the other way doesn't make it wrong.

I've plaid both games intensively, and these kind of silly comparaisons make me angry, cause they're so dumb and always come from players who've only plaid one of the 2 games.
Obviously if someone has never really got into War3, he will never feel that Starcraft2 is more like Warcraft3, that is pure non-sense.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-12 00:40:59
February 12 2010 00:36 GMT
#58
On February 12 2010 09:33 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2010 09:00 rasers wrote:
On February 12 2010 06:17 BlackYoshi wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:
On February 11 2010 21:15 .AbrHAm wrote:
I think they are more player from wc3 that will pwn the shit out of sc2...

seeing as sc2 resembles wc3 more then sc...that may not be far from the truth

The game will never be as micro intensive as WC3. SC will remain a macro game because of the army sizes, and how fast units die compared to WC3, making most micro fairly irrelevant besides stuff like Mutas/Vults etc

I really don't know who will dominate the SC2 scene. It won't be the best SC pros because they will be stuck playing Brood War in Korea. It may or may not be the best WC3 pros. Maybe it will be the old pros who's creativity and strategic understanding have long been buried under superior mechanics players (it would be amazing to see Boxer, Oov, etc make comebacks)

have u ever played SCII at some event?
it FEELS more like wc3. no matter if its micro based or macro based. and yeah mb not big but just think about the building grouping. wc3 users for example are used 2 have more buildings in 1 grp. while u go back 2 base and use every single building. mb not such a big thing but still something.

and yeah its more about the feeling ant not about micro/macro based or whatever.


I've got this feeling that you're a troll, am I right ?
A lot of Starcraft players having plaid Starcraft2 have stated that it felt really similar to SC1, and just because you felt the other way doesn't make it wrong.

I've plaid both games intensively, and these kind of silly comparaisons make me angry, cause they're so dumb and always come from players who've only plaid one of the 2 games.
Obviously if someone has never really got into War3, he will never feel that Starcraft2 is more like Warcraft3, that is pure non-sense.

angry over the internet?. i feel sorry.

and yes also many wc3 players (Lyn or who) have played it and they say it feels more like wc3. and they played both games.
btw never said it was MY feeling. and no i played both or well all 3 games.
oh and yes sweetheart i talk about "good" players saying that. not just some random guy. and now tell me plz. how many "good" sc players played wc3 on a "good" level. and then think about how many good wc3 players have played SC before on a good level.


lets hope u get even more angry now and nerdrage soon so keep getting angry !

oh wow wishbones. how can a human talk so much crap ? oh god....
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
February 12 2010 00:37 GMT
#59
isnt moon from wc3, gg ret wins... moon isnot used to a game where u have more than one base, ret wins again, moon is not used to microing a real mans game, ret wins again gg. Moon lost. moon lsot!
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
February 12 2010 00:40 GMT
#60
On February 12 2010 09:37 wishbones wrote:
isnt moon from wc3, gg ret wins... moon isnot used to a game where u have more than one base, ret wins again, moon is not used to microing a real mans game, ret wins again gg. Moon lost. moon lsot!

You make a compelling argument.
I declare Moon to be lsot.
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