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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 31 2009 20:41 GMT
#21
+1 Poochi's post.

I can't stop drooling over Flash's genius. He looks so invincible because he's always doing the right build against his opponent. Whether it is through preparation or a streak of good luck - he's constantly attacking at times when his opponent looks unbelievably unprepared to hold off the attack.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 31 2009 20:42 GMT
#22
On January 01 2010 05:11 Jyvblamo wrote:
Play Protoss

blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 20:45:14
December 31 2009 20:42 GMT
#23
Be Stork

Or at least imitate what Stork is/was doing:

| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
December 31 2009 20:50 GMT
#24
Drug him.
:]
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
December 31 2009 21:00 GMT
#25
Fake spire - go lurker then rush hive? I think that might work if you manage to get his army contained.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
December 31 2009 21:04 GMT
#26
Force Flash to turtle, then expand like hell. The progamer must keep him contained at most 2 bases and 1 min only. Then transition to lategame.

Example:
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
December 31 2009 21:09 GMT
#27
When someone is on a tear like him, it's understandable that some will feel the game is over before it even begins.

It happens in every sport, when someone/some team gets on a tear, you can tell that once the first conflict or two happens, they expect to lose, maybe subconsciously, maybe consciously, but Flash expects to win.

If they practiced correctly, went at it with a fresh mind, I think you'd see a fantastic game.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
December 31 2009 21:18 GMT
#28
I think that until flash burns out from overwork/stress or makes a few horrible decisions that make him lose some of his faith in himself he will go nearly unbeaten by zergs.

TvP is doable by stork/best/jangbi/bisu

TvZ I think he will dominate jaedong on the current map pool effortlessly each time.

Tonight will be the test of what smart zergs can bring to the table. Calm is the only progamer to ever use a 3 hat muta build into a broodling/lurker midgame to defend against tanks and hold four gases. I assume that if something strategically can be brought to the table calm will.

Effort could beat him in a lategame but he would have to get there first ...
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 31 2009 21:24 GMT
#29
On January 01 2010 06:18 AttackZerg wrote:
I think that until flash burns out from overwork/stress or makes a few horrible decisions that make him lose some of his faith in himself he will go nearly unbeaten by zergs.

TvP is doable by stork/best/jangbi/bisu

TvZ I think he will dominate jaedong on the current map pool effortlessly each time.

Tonight will be the test of what smart zergs can bring to the table. Calm is the only progamer to ever use a 3 hat muta build into a broodling/lurker midgame to defend against tanks and hold four gases. I assume that if something strategically can be brought to the table calm will.

Effort could beat him in a lategame but he would have to get there first ...
The best thing is, I dont think flash is going to burn out this time. KT's so good now, flash losing doesn't really matter. Hell kt losing doesnt matter, since they are so far in first. He can shrug off pl [and if forgg even becomes half decent, not play at all!] and its OK. Honestly, this is Flash in the best circumstance we could realistically hope for. This is him with 100% of skill and dedication. Really exciting to see what that can produce. Even if its failure, I'm happy that we will finally get to see what Flash can really do, as before there always seemed to be a readily available excuse. Potential unlocked, gogo!
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 31 2009 21:27 GMT
#30
get an early advantage by doing some ridiculously abusive build then play standard and win with toss

with zerg u need to change main race to toss )
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
December 31 2009 21:28 GMT
#31
Fake spire - go lurker then rush hive? I think that might work if you manage to get his army contained.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 31 2009 21:30 GMT
#32
On January 01 2010 06:28 WindCalibur wrote:
Fake spire - go lurker then rush hive? I think that might work if you manage to get his army contained.

ah yes, thats what drone did against me in tsl ladder, really smart build and it might work actually
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 21:34:19
December 31 2009 21:32 GMT
#33
On January 01 2010 06:04 lolaloc wrote:
Force Flash to turtle, then expand like hell. The progamer must keep him contained at most 2 bases and 1 min only. Then transition to lategame.


Hyun would never have won if Flash didn't place his rax defending turrets in that position. You can notice it vs his games vs Zero on the same map. Flash knew his turret mistake and corrected it. The better placed turrets stops mutas from running inside the base (a hole Flash had missed) and also helps defending the natural.

There is no "strategy" with killing 20 scvsand there was no amazing play from Hyuns side. If you succeed to do that you win. GG. It's amazing Flash played it well from there anyway.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
December 31 2009 21:34 GMT
#34
Do a barrel roll.

hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
December 31 2009 21:38 GMT
#35
How to beat him? Use a baseball bat.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 31 2009 21:42 GMT
#36
Just watch fbh own him in pl in the upcoming match.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 31 2009 21:48 GMT
#37
Calm will have to learn very well from Hyun. Hyun holds the answers to beating Flash ^^.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
December 31 2009 21:49 GMT
#38
I have no idea but all I know is that I haven't seen him play for a long time and I saw him yesterday vs Best - everything about him seemed so perfect from the start. It will take loads of effort to bring him down. :\
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 21:55:08
December 31 2009 21:54 GMT
#39
God I pray that in MSL Jaedong vs flash Bo5 and flash loses because I don't think Flash will be able to cheese and win unless he wins 2 in a row then on his third cheeses. I honestly don't think Flash can beat Jaedong in a BO5 straight up. Of course if they do end up playing BO5 and Flash wins 3-0 or even wins I will be surprised regardless if he cheeses or not. Flash is good no doubt but I don't think he's "perfect" like you all seem to think ><.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Mori600
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Japan311 Posts
December 31 2009 21:55 GMT
#40
Power overwhelming
Build a man a fire, he will be warm for a night. Lite a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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