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Flash seems unstoppable this season. My question to you guys is:
What advice would you give to the current progamers on what they need to DO/CHANGE in order to beat Flash? I'm personally most interested in TvZ but pick whatever matchup you wanna talk about.
Cheesy builds seem to be the natural way to surprise a superior opponent or compensate for an inferior mid/late game. But Flash seems SO on top of opponents' cheese with his game sense that he always can force a mid/late game where few can match him. Should Flash opponents try even cheesier builds and all-ins to try to win early and avoid long drawn out matches? Do you think simply standard play with better mechanics can beat Flash? Are there unit combos /builds that might force Flash to play him less comfortable builds (he seems so comfortable with his M&M right now)?
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Play better than him.
Good luck with that one.
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Play Protoss and don't die to early pushes off 2 bases?
Or play Zerg and hope he forgets turrets.
I'll paraphrase some advice I saw in the STK vs KT LR thread:
"Don't enter the booth. The kid is like 16, just tackle him! It would be madness to try to fight him with a keyboard and mouse."
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So you think the only way Flash will lose this season is if he beats himself or makes mistakes?
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oblivion.
i heard the new ones cant be detected.
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2 hatch mutas is still pretty effective against him. Unfortunately for Clam, that isn't really his style.
Flash played a gorgeous game against BeSt last night, but we still haven't seen him (or really anybody else) beat a Protoss in lategame in a while. It just feels so impossible these days.
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he looked into my eyes and i could feel the ages he has been living trough and gaining experience. He shivered a little and began to speak slowly:
"but then again, how can you stop something that's unstoppable?"
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let's give progamers our theorycraft advice
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In all seriousness, some sort of timing attack made just for beating flash.
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On January 01 2010 05:13 lac29 wrote:
So you think the only way Flash will lose this season is if he beats himself or makes mistakes?
I predict that if he makes no mistakes, he will win.
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please tell me you are drunk
becouse otherwise, whats the point of this thread
like seriously, what the hell
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4 pool, 2 gate proxy , bbs? usually some kind of cheese MIGHT work
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Day Nine casted a game on Fighting Spirit where Best(toss) scouted him getting an early third.. because of that Best was able to expand wildly and make flash look like a newb with a HUGE late game army. So of course few Koreans are likely to beat Flash in a straight up macro game but he's still susceptible to Hard counters and econ driven builds especially on map with big open centers.
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On January 01 2010 05:19 icemac wrote:
In all seriousness, some sort of timing attack made just for beating flash.
In both matchups, but especialy in his v Z, he has so many damn good variations that he pulls off just as well. He cheeses as well as he plays standard.... Tough finding a consistent timing or getting a partner to be quite good enough.... got to factor in his ungodly macro.
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Darth Jaedong will pawn luke Flashwalker anytime.
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Play Protoss and go carriers. While Flash`s TvZ/TvT has been looking spectacular, his TvP has not been up to his usual standards. I think he relied too much on Protoss not getting this far into the individual leagues and primarily practiced his TvZ.
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For awhile, I thought that Flash weakness to his build at times was the fact that it took a while for his army to materialize. He opted for (what many considered to be non-cheesy build) a long game -- which plays to his macro ability strength. From that, we noticed that off his last 3 losses, the opponent clearly exploit that fact by being greedy and just kept going for more and more bases earlier than usual. (Hyun/Stork/Zero). If you noticed the last few games that Flash played, I think he clearly plays with the mental game to show his other opponents that I will not tolerate those ninja/early multiple expos no more. He went bunker rush against Jaedong, 2 barracks timing push against S2, and 2 facs timing push against Best.
I really like it how he knows that he has the upper edge on the mental game and he kept making his next game more and more unpredictable for his opponent. To me, more than his macro, that seems to be what is giving him his recent invincible aura.
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Pick Protoss. That seems like the best way IMO. In TvT he's unbeatable, and in TvZ the only way he loses is when he fucks up himself somehow.
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EPT
