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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
January 01 2010 13:39 GMT
#141
im going with the bat idea, or tackling him.

Cutting off the ehat wont work.

seriously so many people are up all sober? lawl
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 15:09:56
January 01 2010 14:19 GMT
#142
A strong protoss playing standart will beat him of course . If you are zerg you have to play perfect if you are a terran BBS and hope you scout him and Flash doesn't scout you ...

And people saying that Flash's streak of domimants is better then Jaedong's that is not true by a mile . Jaedong's dominant streak started around winners league last season , almost winning it by himself and at the same time winning OSL against fantasy . He then continued to dominate PL next round up until the finals and was also in the MSL semis and won his second consecutive OSL at the same time .

Flash i will give him credit last season he was toe to toe with Jaedong and at some point doing even better then him up until he droped the leagues and his team sadly didn't make it through the PL's final stages . While i do agree that Flash when he plays at his top he looks more unbeatable then Jaedong , but JD seems to carry the momentum a long way even when his streak of dominance seem's to be gone he isn't completely off the map and wins a league . If Flash can keep it up and win both leagues he would probably surpass Jaedong's streak of dominance .

That's why i think it is to early to compare their dominance and let Flash win at least the OSL which will happen unless Movie / Shine pull some kind of a miracle .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 15:20:15
January 01 2010 14:24 GMT
#143
On January 01 2010 21:01 Heimatloser wrote:
hidden expos, this is the answer.
atleast thats what jeadong and best tried after stork was successfull with it.


Well Jaedong was the first to win against him with a hidden expo thought on rush hour 3 .
Hidden expo is not really the answer . Flash already showed it against Best . Maybe it will get you a couple of wins , but Flash is to good of a player to fall for it twise . Like on iccup at low levels with my experience - protoss terrans and even in ZvZ players seem to go for the hidden expanion , banking on their expo not geting scouted and this kind of play pisses me the most , because why bother making an expansion if you don't have the units to defend it or you will not have them in a couple of minutes it is the same as cheesing to get an advantage .
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
January 01 2010 14:28 GMT
#144
On January 01 2010 23:19 raga4ka wrote:
A strong protoss playing standart will beat him of course . If you are zerg you have to play perfect if you are a terran BBS and hope you scout him and Flash doesn't scout you ...


But that doesn't work! See Flash vs Iris in the GOM S3 grand-finals, where Iris cheesed all 4 games and somehow, Flash scouted each cheese almost instantly.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
January 01 2010 14:33 GMT
#145
On January 01 2010 22:38 29 fps wrote:
get him a girlfriend.

get him a boyfriend
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
January 01 2010 14:34 GMT
#146
poweroverwhelming/blacksheepwall will do the trick
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 14:53:09
January 01 2010 14:50 GMT
#147
On January 01 2010 23:28 whathappened wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 23:19 raga4ka wrote:
A strong protoss playing standart will beat him of course . If you are zerg you have to play perfect if you are a terran BBS and hope you scout him and Flash doesn't scout you ...


But that doesn't work! See Flash vs Iris in the GOM S3 grand-finals, where Iris cheesed all 4 games and somehow, Flash scouted each cheese almost instantly.


Iris did't BBS or so i don't remember i don't know other cheese in TvT and i certainly don't remember Iris cheesing 2 fac is a standart build in TvT .
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 01 2010 14:56 GMT
#148
look at like bisu on desti vs flash

or best (i think it was) vs flash on fighting spirit

they won completely straight up and played better than flash

hes not immortal and hes not a working computer xDD he practices just like the other progamers. to be honest im just as impressed with bisu as i am with flash, and thats huge cause im almost never impressed with a toss gamer
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
zenkicker
Profile Joined December 2008
257 Posts
January 01 2010 14:59 GMT
#149
Let Flash play using mouse only
I you cant beat them, join them.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 01 2010 15:10 GMT
#150
The thing is to kill Flash's scv as fast as possible.

Bisu/JD/Flash are monsters because they keep scouting. Information is the key to win.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
January 01 2010 15:12 GMT
#151
Send some goons at him. + Show Spoiler +
Big goons, with baseball bats. Make sure all his fingers are broken.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
January 01 2010 15:16 GMT
#152
Bring back god's garden into the map pool. Hopefully he won't find a way to overturn that imbalance.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 01 2010 15:16 GMT
#153
go lurker ling instead of muta so you can fight off the push
How do you mine minerals?
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
January 01 2010 15:23 GMT
#154
Start the game, unplug your keyboard, go to his booth and smash him over and over.

One Jaedong took his keyboard
and handed flash 40 whacks,
When he saw what he had done,
He gave the boothgirl 41.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 01 2010 16:27 GMT
#155
Balance TvZ.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 17:06:55
January 01 2010 17:06 GMT
#156
On January 01 2010 06:30 MorroW[MB] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 06:28 WindCalibur wrote:
Fake spire - go lurker then rush hive? I think that might work if you manage to get his army contained.

ah yes, thats what drone did against me in tsl ladder, really smart build and it might work actually


yeah that's also how mondragon beat sea[shield], who arguably has the 2nd best TvZ in the world atm. Aint gonna work forever though..

Seems like nobodys yet come up with a real solution in TvT/ZvT

btw how did hyun beat flash? didnt catch that game
beep boop
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 01 2010 17:12 GMT
#157
On January 02 2010 02:06 7mk wrote:
btw how did hyun beat flash? didnt catch that game

Flash's last three TvZ losses, including that game, were mainly due to slipups in his muta defense (or, if you will, very sharp muta play by his opponents). Hyun also took a ninja expo.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
January 01 2010 17:21 GMT
#158
On January 01 2010 05:23 horang3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 05:13 lac29 wrote:
So you think the only way Flash will lose this season is if he beats himself or makes mistakes?

I predict that if he makes no mistakes, he will win.

That pretty much applies to any player. It's not possible to lose without making mistakes unless it's just a complete build order win (in which case the mistake was choosing the wrong build).
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
January 01 2010 17:28 GMT
#159
Take away his ruler.
His keyboard one inch to the left where it isnt supposed to be. BAM gg.
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
January 01 2010 17:30 GMT
#160
On January 01 2010 06:42 MuffinDude wrote:
Just watch fbh own him in pl in the upcoming match.

FBH try to owning Flash so many times LOL
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