EPTIf anything, TvZ is very slightly zerg favored at the moment and any terran nerfing would make the matchup impossible for everyone except Flash. The big question is whether other terrans can rise to Flash's level? Given how a number of zergs almost caught up with Jaedong in 2009, I wouldn't call it impossible. But they better get on it soon.
[Question] How to beat Flash? - Page 9
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okum
France5778 Posts
If anything, TvZ is very slightly zerg favored at the moment and any terran nerfing would make the matchup impossible for everyone except Flash. The big question is whether other terrans can rise to Flash's level? Given how a number of zergs almost caught up with Jaedong in 2009, I wouldn't call it impossible. But they better get on it soon. | ||
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Lebesgue
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 02 2010 02:32 okum wrote: For those who claim that TvZ imbalanced: the combined TvZ win rate for this season's OSL, MSL and Proleague games so far is 52.8% if you count Flash's games and 46.3% if you don't. Essentially, Flash is single-handedly responsible for the balance of this matchup right now. If anything, TvZ is very slightly zerg favored at the moment and any terran nerfing would make the matchup impossible for everyone except Flash. The big question is whether other terrans can rise to Flash's level? Given how a number of zergs almost caught up with Jaedong in 2009, I wouldn't call it impossible. But they better get on it soon. Well, what's the stats after you take off the best ZvT player as well? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
ZvT I;m not so sure but id say really good muta harass would mess with him as i saw when he played ... wow, I forgot who he played i think it was on tornado? TvT i have no idea, dont follow that matchup really | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 02 2010 09:39 SynC[gm] wrote: Was there the same thread like this when Jaedong was owning everyone, including FlaSh? I don't think so, so what is the point of this thread...? Jaedong wasn't owning as bad as Flash is. Flash is sth like 35 out of 40 and is close to break 2400 elo. But yeah... The time will come eventually and someone will beat Flash... I just hope it won't be Jaedong (at least not this season) as Jaedong fans would go into crazy fanboy mode and will pick again at Flash for eliminating Jaedong from OSL. | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
If you can see Flash, he can see you. If you can’t see Flash you may be only seconds away from death. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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celeste
England45 Posts
That game on Match Point that Day9 casted showed 2 Hatch Muta raping him pretty hard but I'm guessing it was just a one-off. Flash is scary | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
just wait it out!  | ||
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
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Lovin
Denmark812 Posts
When FlaSh falls in the water he does not get wet. The water gets FlaShed | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
On January 02 2010 03:47 Avidkeystamper wrote: Well, what's the stats after you take off the best ZvT player as well? I'd be interested in knowing this as well. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 02 2010 11:42 AraqirG wrote: I keep hearing people mention flash's protoss is pretty sick. Are there any replays or vods? I'd be interested in knowing this as well. Well the funny thing is I can't even call to mind who the best ZvT is right now. Effort? JD? It's not even close to as dominant as Flash I don't think. | ||
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
On January 02 2010 11:46 StorkHwaiting wrote: Well the funny thing is I can't even call to mind who the best ZvT is right now. Effort? JD? It's not even close to as dominant as Flash I don't think. according to TLPD the order is: JD effort Yarnc Calm ZerO but yarnc is playing like complete garbage right now and just hasnt played a lot in a while to bring his ELO down. I would probably agree with those rankings for the most part, although effort is not nearly as good vs mech as the others, and ZerO/Calm both played extremely impressively vs Flash. I would like to see how effort would do vs flash right now (as playing vs flash is without a doubt the best way to judge how someone is vs Terran). I think Calm is only the 4th best in a single game but probably the 2nd best in a series. in a single game I would say: JD effort zero calm series: jd calm zero effort | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
well, he just crushed jd, zero and calm. with the exception of maybe effort, flash has just recently destroyed all the top zergs. i got the impression that jds zvt isnt in top shape atm, so maybe if he improves it a bit he could be a threat to flash in a possible msl finals, but other than that, i dont think any zerg could beat flash in a bo3/bo5 right now. ok, so zerg is not the answer. in tvt he is unbeatable anyway, so the only option left is to play protoss. but maybe flashs current "suboptimal performance" against toss is simply the result of facing almost no tosses? who says his tvp is inherently deficient? i can very well imagine its as strong as his tvz if he invests enough practice time into it. he just didnt have to do so thus far, as he was almost exclusively tearing through terrans and zergs. i think Best in the msl might be the best chance left to beat flash this season + Show Spoiler + despite being one game down! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + There is no stopping him ): | ||
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
a few months ago when flash 1st started his streak I didnt think much of it because he didnt really have to play any of the top zergs and they were all in individual games. after last night though he's totally proven to me that he just truly is at another level right now. it's back to where he was 20 months ago where he just completely crushed everyone he played with his macro, except now thanks to fantasy's "late game mass tank" strat he's even more unstoppable. | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
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