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Abyzou
Sweden209 Posts
He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. And yes, I realize every player does this, but Flash is so extreme in this aspect. And I think that's really cheap. | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
On December 07 2009 04:57 Abyzou wrote: The reason he wins so much is that he's so mechanical, uses the same builds over and over simply because they're the safest and win the most. He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. Wahhhhh I have an SKT icon and Bisu dropped both leagues... wahhhh | ||
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Abyzou
Sweden209 Posts
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
Such a beast. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On December 07 2009 04:57 Abyzou wrote: The reason he wins so much is that he's so mechanical, uses the same builds over and over simply because they're the safest and win the most. He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. And yes, I realize every player does this, but Flash is so extreme in this aspect. And I think that's really cheap. Flash is more innovative than Boxer. And his mechanics are by far the weakest part of his play. What now? | ||
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Abyzou
Sweden209 Posts
On December 07 2009 05:54 Ver wrote: Flash is more innovative than Boxer. And his mechanics are by far the weakest part of his play. What now? What now? I disagree obviously. Boxer's innovations and the effect he had on progaming cannot be measured; Flash is just really good. And for me, being good by itself isn't impressive. | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On December 07 2009 06:00 Abyzou wrote: What now? I disagree obviously. Boxer's innovations and the effect he had on progaming cannot be measured; Flash is just really good. And for me, being good by itself isn't impressive. You know why Flash is a standard player? Because everyone else copies him. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 07 2009 04:57 Abyzou wrote: The reason he wins so much is that he's so mechanical, uses the same builds over and over simply because they're the safest and win the most. He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. And yes, I realize every player does this, but Flash is so extreme in this aspect. And I think that's really cheap. Flash is one of the most innovative terrans in a long time. Just because what he does isn't super flashy and obvious doesn't mean he hasn't revolutionized the way terrans play the game. He most certainly has. Iloveoov was "boring" too. Also Flash has weak mechanics and multitask compared to other players. That isn't his strength, so I'm not sure what you're saying really. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On December 06 2009 21:04 Kinky wrote: They're making this "record" seem too extraordinary  How many Pro league wins do you have? Haha but how is this not extraordinary? Chances are no one will ever beat this record. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On December 07 2009 07:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash is one of the most innovative terrans in a long time. Just because what he does isn't super flashy and obvious doesn't mean he hasn't revolutionized the way terrans play the game. He most certainly has. Iloveoov was "boring" too. Also Flash has weak mechanics and multitask compared to other players. That isn't his strength, so I'm not sure what you're saying really. :-\ Weak mechanics and multitask? Wut? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 07 2009 04:57 Abyzou wrote: The reason he wins so much is that he's so mechanical, uses the same builds over and over simply because they're the safest and win the most. He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. And yes, I realize every player does this, but Flash is so extreme in this aspect. And I think that's really cheap. Stop trolling (or stop being dumb). | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On December 07 2009 04:57 Abyzou wrote: The reason he wins so much is that he's so mechanical, uses the same builds over and over simply because they're the safest and win the most. He's also boring to watch because he often sits in his base, deflects attempts at making the game interesting, then rolls over the other player with a huge ball of units. Yeah, I've always disliked Flash alot. Sure he's good and all, but he's not a fun or innovative player. He just uses the strategies that win the most, he admitted that himself. And yes, I realize every player does this, but Flash is so extreme in this aspect. And I think that's really cheap. God, stupid haters like these make me cringe. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On December 07 2009 07:46 valaki wrote: Flash tried to use something different (you know gols+marines and other shit) and it sucked so he just rapes everyone with standard stuff. No big deal. ... Whut? HIs golionic build raped a shit ton of Zergs... | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 07 2009 06:57 Elyvilon wrote: You know why Flash is a standard player? Because everyone else copies him. This, hahahahaha. Flash was the only Terran who could consistently win on Medusa and Katrina. Flash has shown time and time again that he is basically immune to map imbalances. I don't think I could bear to make a comparison between Flash and Boxer. They're both really influential players. The difference is Flash is like 16 years old and he is only starting to tear things up. I imagine within the next 3 years we're going to see this guy explode and just run everyone over. Assuming, of course, that Starcraft II doesn't come out and replace Starcraft. I think why people don't realize Flash's innovation is because it's more strategical than tactical. Flash has REALLY SOLID BUILDS and amazing game sense, whereas players like Fantasy tend to employ strategies that have an obvious flair to them. Flash is like oov: he doesn't try to throw in new units here and there or demonstrate amazing micro, he just knows how to read his opponents and force them to play HIS game. It takes a real genius to make someone play the way YOU want them to. But that's exactly what Flash is capable of, and he's shown that he can do it time and time again. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 07 2009 07:46 valaki wrote: Flash tried to use something different (you know gols+marines and other shit) and it sucked so he just rapes everyone with standard stuff. No big deal. That was a really good build. He also revolutionized TvP. Don't people remember that? | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 07 2009 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That was a really good build. He also revolutionized TvP. Don't people remember that? He didn't revolutionize TvP. He is TvP. Although it's his weakest matchup right now he is still amazing at it. And as I said in my previous post, he is somehow immune to TvP map imbalances. And thus we have maps as Flashtrina, a map which normally means "2base carriers gg," but instead turns into "double armory goliaths gg." | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On December 07 2009 07:07 StorkHwaiting wrote: The problem with a record based on number of PL wins is that PL format allows a lot more games nowadays. Also, Flash is on a team that almost ALWAYS plays him in ace. Other teams aren't like that. KHAN was so deep for many seasons. Same with SKT. Flash and JD have the advantage in that they were on teams of total scrubs and were constantly sent out. Then again, Flash's win % is still very VERY high. So he would have done it anyway. It's just the fact he did it so fast has a lot to do with how often his team sends him out. You and many other people are saying that, and I would agree, nowadays there are much more games played than it the past. BUT Flash isn't just the man who got 100 wins fastest, he is also the man who needed the least amount of games to do so. The current format of PL allows for more games in shorter time which makes the "fastest" record much easier, but it also makes the "least amount of games" much harder. Programer like Flash has much less time to prepare for games then programers had in the past. He has to play over and over again, prepare for many maps, many opponents, who often try some allinish snipe build against him and so on... The two record separate are good, but when one person holds them both...it just makes me sit with open mouth and thinking what the-...? | ||
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