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Is this any more cheating than disabling mouse acceleration?
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On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard.
if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that?
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On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that?
Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too.
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On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too.
shit is irrelevant.
this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking
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On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking
what about chaos disabling the windows key?
Is that hacking?
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On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too.
No, but the line between fair and unfair exists even when people don't obey it, and it's a pretty clear line. Does the house you play in have anything to do with the starcraft program, your mouse, and your keyboard?
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On September 04 2009 12:35 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking what about chaos disabling the windows key? Is that hacking?
Does it give you a competitive edge compared to altering the response time of 1a2a3a?
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yes I dont fuck up and lose all my marines to lurkers because I accidentally alt tabbed.
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I'd think most of us don't accidentally alt tab nearly as much as we press 1a2a3a.
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I actually took out the windows key button so I don't press it by mistake. I think a lot of progamers do this; I might be totally wrong.
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On September 04 2009 12:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:35 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking what about chaos disabling the windows key? Is that hacking? Does it give you a competitive edge compared to altering the response time of 1a2a3a?
It does actually, if both players have the same equipment and one has his window key disabled, then that one won't have to deal with tabbing out and missing a few important seconds. The advantage is obviously miniscule, but its in the same ballpark as altering 1a2a3a.
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I really don't think it's in the same ballpark at all.
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On September 04 2009 12:35 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking what about chaos disabling the windows key? Is that hacking?
disabling/removing the windows key removes functionality. running a script that modifies the way your mouse interacts with the game improves functionality. pretty big difference.
i honestly don't give a shit if my opponent is playing with one less key on the keyboard. i do care if he's running a script in the background which lets him more efficiently/easily execute commands in the game.
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Omg, getting this program is like getting a gaming mouse that has a stronger spring and pops up faster, same with the keyboard. Its pretty much a free hardware upgrade only its software. I fully think this should not only be allowed but encouraged and advertised to be used.
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On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking
You defined cheating. Not hacking. Hacking has a series of definitions, the technical of which exclusively refer to memory/packet editing.
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On September 04 2009 12:49 wok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking You defined cheating. Not hacking. Hacking has a series of definitions, the technical of which exclusively refer to memory/packet editing.
of course i was referring to the slang definition of hacking , not the technical definition of it. just because a script doesn't modify memory or sniff/edit packets doesn't mean it can't give you an advantage. don't be a smartass.
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I saw this thread in the closed forum and am now glad it's been opened for discussion.
I don't think this is any more a hack than using Chaos Launcher. This modernizes the game so that hardware doesn't get in the way of input. It's not comparable to something like macro keys, though, because you still have to make all the same actions as before. This just lets you do those actions as fast as YOU can, not as fast as Blizzard's archaic game allows.
If this were ever to be standardized, it would have to start at the bottom until it becomes as standardized online as Chaos/Advloader/iCCup. It modernizes hardware the way these programs have modernized Blizzard's ancient networking. I would love to have my favorite mouse and keyboard act like they should (and do in other games) with this "hack" rather than paying for ridiculously expensive peripherals to curb the failings of the programming.
If this came via patch, I expect people would be ecstatic, but we know where Blizzard's resources are being used; therefore, let the community help itself once more, and let this become standard by growing from the seed of this community's veneration of this game.
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On September 04 2009 12:48 lazz wrote:
i honestly don't give a shit if my opponent is playing with one less key on the keyboard. i do care if he's running a script in the background which lets him more efficiently/easily execute commands in the game.
You act as if there's some magic boundary between the computer and its peripherals that makes input modification on one side absolutely okay but a cardinal sin on the other. If a macro that gives you a click mouseup action is not okay, why is a good-quality mouse that's simply mechanically built to rebound quickly okay? It gives exactly the same advantage(actually moreso since it provides greater control.)
Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting.
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On September 04 2009 12:54 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:49 wok wrote:On September 04 2009 12:31 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:27 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 12:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:On September 04 2009 12:03 Sadist wrote:On September 04 2009 11:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It is definitely cheating, and should be banned on ladders. Still it's a good find and I hope Blizzard will incorporate this into the next patch. give me a fucking break. If this is cheating so is having a nice mouse with awesome drivers and a great keyboard. if you have equipment which alters the mechanics of starcraft and gives you a competitive edge then i would think it's cheating yes. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everyone uses the same equipment in BW? How about having a nice quiet house to play in and no pressure. That should be cheating too. shit is irrelevant. this is a script that is intended to improve a player's performance while playing starcraft. ergo, it is considered "hacking". you're using a script (outside of the game engine or not, it doesn't matter) to gain an advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. i can't even think of a more clear-cut definition of hacking You defined cheating. Not hacking. Hacking has a series of definitions, the technical of which exclusively refer to memory/packet editing. of course i was referring to the slang definition of hacking , not the technical definition of it. just because a script doesn't modify memory or sniff/edit packets doesn't mean it can't give you an advantage. don't be a smartass.
Sorry T-T... but you tempted me with your "I can't even think of a more clear-cut definition" rhetoric :p
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if it's such a simple fix it may possibly come in a patch they do pay attention to the SC community
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