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I showed one of my friends starcraft during his final year of highschool and we both went really shit ha ha... he still plays today, age 22 
To bad we wasted so many years on fastest map.. (worst map ever!)
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On September 01 2009 09:48 Heen wrote:
Honestly, what the fuck does it matter? Starcraft is starcraft. Which category it belongs to changes nothing.
Exactly.
What the hell are you arguing about semantics? Who cares what it is classified as.
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On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler +
And what is your argument? You have none. You're going the creationist route and trying to point out a logical fallacy in an argument that is purely semantical while presenting absolutely nothing constructive on your side.
ALL you've been saying is "i believe SC does not require agility or athleticism and is not a sport" while providing absolutely nothing but groundless vitriol to support your contention.
And let me reiterate that you're trying to use "self evident logic" in a SEMANTICAL ARGUMENT. If you want to argue logically about whether SC is a sport, read my earlier post about ping-pong and racecar driving, and don't post again if you don't have something pertaining directly to my SEMANTICAL argument of the definition of sport, or something pertaining to the LOGICAL argument that I presented.
Not to mention that you must have been held back repeatedly in english class if you're unable to understand that "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness" in no way implies movement of one's full body, and applies quite well to the movements a starcraft player makes. Also, look up "nimbleness" in your free time.
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On September 01 2009 09:53 Dametri wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + And what is your argument? You have none. You're going the creationist route and trying to point out a logical fallacy in an argument that is purely semantical while presenting absolutely nothing constructive on your side. ALL you've been saying is "i believe SC does not require agility or athleticism and is not a sport" while providing absolutely nothing but groundless vitriol to support your contention. And let me reiterate that you're trying to use "self evident logic" in a SEMANTICAL ARGUMENT. If you want to argue logically about whether SC is a sport, read my earlier post about ping-pong and racecar driving, and don't post again if you don't have something pertaining directly to my SEMANTICAL argument of the definition of sport, or something pertaining to the LOGICAL argument that I presented.
First of all, shut the fuck up. Don't you dare tell me "not to post again" because YOU think your argument has some semblance of logic. Just because I attempted to pick apart your "logical" argument as you state it without having my criteria doesn't make it valid.
To go on your silly little creationist analogy, it's similar to someone who is atheist picking apart Creationist explanations, and when asked himself he replies "I'm not sure." Does he have to bring his own explanation to provide a flaw in someone else's argument? The answer is quite simply, no.
I'm pointing out that the very semantics of your argument break it. As said, are you going to argue that the girls = root of all equal, while logical according to the math, is right for those reasons? Of course not.
I had no problem arguing whether or not Starcraft is a sport, I gave my own fucking opinion on your silly little argument and you gave some bullshit trolling response on how you can refute it and my post contained little substance.
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On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler +
You talk like there is anything else in the definition that sc doesn't fit in. Obviously he's going to argue about the definition of athletic because that is the only word you can question whether sc requires.
Also do you consider curling a sport? Or for the person who uses not being idle as a pre-requisite, archery or weight lifting? I could easily name more.
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On September 01 2009 10:00 FabledIntegral wrote:
First of all, shut the fuck up. Don't you dare tell me "not to post again" because YOU think your argument has some semblance of logic. Just because I attempted to pick apart your "logical" argument as you state it without having my criteria doesn't make it valid.
To go on your silly little creationist analogy, it's similar to someone who is atheist picking apart Creationist explanations, and when asked himself he replies "I'm not sure." Does he have to bring his own explanation to provide a flaw in someone else's argument? The answer is quite simply, no.
I'm pointing out that the very semantics of your argument break it. As said, are you going to argue that the girls = root of all equal, while logical according to the math, is right for those reasons? Of course not.
I had no problem arguing whether or not Starcraft is a sport, I gave my own fucking opinion on your silly little argument and you gave some bullshit trolling response on how you can refute it and my post contained little substance.
You're not worth my time. I'll let our respective posts speak for themselves and readers can judge.
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On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though.
Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game).
I know I've always wanted a body like this.
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On September 01 2009 10:02 Picture wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + You talk like there is anything else in the definition that sc doesn't fit in. Obviously he's going to argue about the definition of athletic because that is the only word you can question whether sc requires. Also do you consider curling a sport? Or for the person who uses not being idle as a pre-requisite, archery or weight lifting? I could easily name more.
It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability.
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On September 01 2009 10:05 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though. Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game). I know I've always wanted a body like this.
I never said golf was a sport, just like a I never said nascar is a sport, or bowling, or pool, or darts, or StarCraft. So shut the fuck up.
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On September 01 2009 10:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:02 Picture wrote:On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + You talk like there is anything else in the definition that sc doesn't fit in. Obviously he's going to argue about the definition of athletic because that is the only word you can question whether sc requires. Also do you consider curling a sport? Or for the person who uses not being idle as a pre-requisite, archery or weight lifting? I could easily name more. It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability.
You can say the same for many "sports". So, is there anything besides the word athletic in the definition of sport that you dont think can be related to sc? If not you can apologize to him for accusing him of taking words out of context. Thanks.
PS. The picture you posted is a joke. The guy who made it is clever but his first statement should be "Getting girls requires you to have time and money", not "Girls=Time x money". And if you replace the "=" with "requires" and you accept those old sayings to be true, then yes the conclusion is correct.
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On September 01 2009 10:09 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:05 baubo wrote:On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though. Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game). I know I've always wanted a body like this. I never said golf was a sport, just like a I never said nascar is a sport, or bowling, or pool, or darts, or StarCraft. So shut the fuck up.
Those are sports. You are now saying that Starcraft is not a sport, and that sports aren't sports either.
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On September 01 2009 10:16 RoieTRS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:09 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 10:05 baubo wrote:On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though. Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game). I know I've always wanted a body like this. I never said golf was a sport, just like a I never said nascar is a sport, or bowling, or pool, or darts, or StarCraft. So shut the fuck up. Those are sports. You are now saying that Starcraft is not a sport, and that sports aren't sports either.
You're an idiot, get out.
User was banned for this post.
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On September 01 2009 10:18 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:16 RoieTRS wrote:On September 01 2009 10:09 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 10:05 baubo wrote:On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though. Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game). I know I've always wanted a body like this. I never said golf was a sport, just like a I never said nascar is a sport, or bowling, or pool, or darts, or StarCraft. So shut the fuck up. Those are sports. You are now saying that Starcraft is not a sport, and that sports aren't sports either. You're an idiot, get out.
The level of sophistication to the extensive logic and detailed arguments made by those contending SC isn't a sport is so profound that I think I just shat myself.
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On September 01 2009 10:18 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:16 RoieTRS wrote:On September 01 2009 10:09 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 10:05 baubo wrote:On September 01 2009 09:49 TheSchwA wrote:
Some of you kids are ridiculously pathetic. Keep trying though, maybe one day you could be considered an athlete because you can sit behind a computer and play a video GAME!
... Probably not though. Indeed. Nothing like seeing "athletes" walking up and down the greens on a golf course, showing their physical prowess. Or those "athletes" who use their incredible muscles to hit the white ball on the pool table(any variation of the game). I know I've always wanted a body like this. I never said golf was a sport, just like a I never said nascar is a sport, or bowling, or pool, or darts, or StarCraft. So shut the fuck up. Those are sports. You are now saying that Starcraft is not a sport, and that sports aren't sports either. You're an idiot, get out.
lose some attitude man.
most people here don't sit behind the computer and play games all day (I think lol). Don't make a stereotype about people you've never met.
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On September 01 2009 10:13 Picture wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:05 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 10:02 Picture wrote:On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + You talk like there is anything else in the definition that sc doesn't fit in. Obviously he's going to argue about the definition of athletic because that is the only word you can question whether sc requires. Also do you consider curling a sport? Or for the person who uses not being idle as a pre-requisite, archery or weight lifting? I could easily name more. It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability. You can say the same for many "sports". So, is there anything besides the word athletic in the definition of sport that you dont think can be related to sc? If not you can apologize to him for accusing him of taking words out of context. Thanks. PS. The picture you posted is a joke. The guy who made it is clever but his first statement should be "Getting girls requires you to have time and money", not "Girls=Time x money". And if you replace the "=" with "requires" and you accept those old sayings to be true, then yes the conclusion is correct.
Stop mixing up people's posts. I said I couldn't believe that people were arguing that playing a video game could require athletic ability, not that it was a prerequisite that a sport had athletic ability. Get your facts straight. We also arguing beyond the word athletic because that was the word in particular he singled out. Stop bringing up irrelevant topics please. So you can apologize to me for taking my words out of context. Thanks.
PS. You also missed the entire point of it. Even he understood what I was trying to say. He just thought I was an ass in the way I did it. You sir, are completely unbelievable.
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Starcraft is special because it sits on the borderline between mind-sport and physical-sport. That is, if you actually think there's a distinction. I think for most of you, the key aspect zeroed in on is the physical aspect. So, the question can be rephrased as "Is Starcraft physically demanding enough to be a sport?"
To answer this, I asked myself some questions, and you should ask yourself too:
Is poker a sport? Probably not. It's more a game played in the mind. But it has gained so much popularity, it's on the same scale in terms of sheer number of players as many other sports. But it's not a sport.
Is DDR a sport? It's more physical, that's for sure. The Dutch government officially made it a sport a few years back. Does that mean someone living outside the Netherlands thinks DDR is a sport? Probably not.
Is chess a sport? Could be called that. It's been around for so long. Professional chess is considered a valid sport in many areas around the world. Is it physical? No. But it's accepted to refer to it as a sport sometimes. It's not in the Olympics though.
Is martial arts a sport? It's widely considered to be now, what with MMA and similar competitions springing up in recent years, but older generations used to just see it as fighting, like training in the military. Taekwondo and Judo are both regulars in the Olympics since the 1950's. Close cousins, boxing and wrestling, are also there but were included years earlier.
Is doing push-ups or pull-ups a sport? Not exactly, but weightlifting is. What sport criteria makes this difference? What's the difference between your mile run and the 1600 meter Olympic race? Competition? Maybe.
After looking through the answers, is the original question "Is Starcraft physically demanding enough to be a sport?" enough now? I think it's just a matter of social acceptability now. IMO Starcraft is already within the general range of what could be called a "sport." Not just an e-sport, but an actual sport.
Now, how about asking the question "Can Starcraft players be called athletes?"
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It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability.
It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing baseball or basketball requires any sort of mental ability.
See how distorted and ridiculous I can make that sound? How about you try to get over 300 APM and have all 300 or more of those actions mean something? I doubt you can.
The ridiculous thing here is that everyone who says "Starcraft isn't a sport" says it with an absolutely ridiculous tone like they revere the current cultural norm for a sport, like baseball or basketball. What makes those so amazing? You look at lots of sports and you see people playing a recreational hobby that is played by kids all over the world as a hobby they do for fun. The difference is that these "athletes" get paid to do it. Furthermore, people watch them do it (and pay to watch them in many cases). What's the ONLY difference between that and Starcraft? The level of physical and mental activity, which is an inherit difference between ANY two competitive games (YES, football, soccer, basketball, hockey, etc... these are ALL games). Korea makes the rest of the world look like closed-minded assholes when it comes to this - the country has readily accepted something that isn't as athletically driven and is more mentally driven as one of the most popular things in the country to watch. Seriously list off the main attributes that make any sport a sport and you can say the same for Starcraft - professionals practice hours a day to do it? Check. They make a living doing it exclusively? Check. They compete against other professionals? Check. There's teams/sponsors? Check. People come to events to watch it? Check. There's TV channels dedicated to it EXCLUSIVELY? Check. The ONLY difference is the physical and mental demands. Stuff like basketball, baseball, football, etc... have a far higher physical demand but a far lower mental demand than Starcraft.
Really people, this just shows humanity's ignorance and closed-mindedness that just because Starcraft isn't nearly as physical as something, all of a sudden it's not as good.
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On September 01 2009 10:24 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 10:13 Picture wrote:On September 01 2009 10:05 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 10:02 Picture wrote:On September 01 2009 09:47 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote:On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
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It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote:
There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value.
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING!
Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + You talk like there is anything else in the definition that sc doesn't fit in. Obviously he's going to argue about the definition of athletic because that is the only word you can question whether sc requires. Also do you consider curling a sport? Or for the person who uses not being idle as a pre-requisite, archery or weight lifting? I could easily name more. It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability. You can say the same for many "sports". So, is there anything besides the word athletic in the definition of sport that you dont think can be related to sc? If not you can apologize to him for accusing him of taking words out of context. Thanks. PS. The picture you posted is a joke. The guy who made it is clever but his first statement should be "Getting girls requires you to have time and money", not "Girls=Time x money". And if you replace the "=" with "requires" and you accept those old sayings to be true, then yes the conclusion is correct. Stop mixing up people's posts. I said I couldn't believe that people were arguing that playing a video game could require athletic ability, not that it was a prerequisite that a sport had athletic ability. Get your facts straight. We also arguing beyond the word athletic because that was the word in particular he singled out. Stop bringing up irrelevant topics please. So you can apologize to me for taking my words out of context. Thanks. PS. You also missed the entire point of it. Even he understood what I was trying to say. He just thought I was an ass in the way I did it. You sir, are completely unbelievable.
More straw mans. Yay.
How am I mixing up posts? They are all quoted together. When I said sc requires athletic ability, obviously I meant PLAYING sc. How can a SPORT have athletic ability? Lmao. Sorry but you are the one going off topic. Just accept the fact that you wrongfully blamed him for singling out a word and taking it out of context.
You thought your girl=time x money pic was relevant? Or pretty much this entire post of yours?
Unbelievable? Right back at you.
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On September 01 2009 10:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +
It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing a video game requires any sort of athletic ability.
It literally blows my mind that people are trying to argue that playing baseball or basketball requires any sort of mental ability. See how distorted and ridiculous I can make that sound? How about you try to get over 300 APM and have all 300 or more of those actions mean something? I doubt you can. The ridiculous thing here is that everyone who says "Starcraft isn't a sport" says it with an absolutely ridiculous tone like they revere the current cultural norm for a sport, like baseball or basketball. What makes those so amazing? You look at lots of sports and you see people playing a recreational hobby that is played by kids all over the world as a hobby they do for fun. The difference is that these "athletes" get paid to do it. Furthermore, people watch them do it (and pay to watch them in many cases). What's the ONLY difference between that and Starcraft? The level of physical and mental activity, which is an inherit difference between ANY two competitive games (YES, football, soccer, basketball, hockey, etc... these are ALL games). Korea makes the rest of the world look like closed-minded assholes when it comes to this - the country has readily accepted something that isn't as athletically driven and is more mentally driven as one of the most popular things in the country to watch. Seriously list off the main attributes that make any sport a sport and you can say the same for Starcraft - professionals practice hours a day to do it? Check. They make a living doing it exclusively? Check. They compete against other professionals? Check. There's teams/sponsors? Check. People come to events to watch it? Check. There's TV channels dedicated to it EXCLUSIVELY? Check. The ONLY difference is the physical and mental demands. Stuff like basketball, baseball, football, etc... have a far higher physical demand but a far lower mental demand than Starcraft. Really people, this just shows humanity's ignorance and closed-mindedness that just because Starcraft isn't nearly as physical as something, all of a sudden it's not as good.
Who in the world was arguing that sports have to have a mental criteria? I'm not trying to downplay Starcraft, I love the game. It's just not a sport. Just like Starcraft is not a religion either. I have no intention of getting over 300 APM or 300 EAPM.
What the fuck is with nearly every single "Starcraft as a sport" person trying to manipulate other people's words. I'd rather side with the people that are saying it isn't a sport without providing any backup than these idiots who are actually twisting shit around.
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I like to think that mouse control at progaming level requires physical capabilities => sport
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