EPTOn September 01 2009 09:20 Ideas wrote:
I mean ffs just look at competitive eating.
I mean ffs just look at competitive eating.
I don't know of anyone who actually calls that a sport.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I don't know of anyone who actually calls that a sport. | ||
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tyreek
United States141 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:20 Ideas wrote: a sport's a sport it's not a conventional sport, but it's still a sport. I mean ffs just look at competitive eating. I don't think competitive eating is a sport. | ||
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Dametri
United States726 Posts
But in any case the concept of a "sport" is purely semantical. Almost any activity could be considered a sport when done competitively. Consider race car driving. There are a ridiculous number of people in america alone who would lynch anyone trying to say that it's not a sport - and yet all it involves is very slight movement of one's hands for an extended period of time. I'm sure there were arguments that took place near to the time of the inception of competitive racing very similar to the one taking place here. "Driving a car, a sport? gtfo" | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
Its on TV. They are paid. A crowd watches. There is some degree of physicality, i've seen players playing so hard they are streaming sweat. Hand eye cordination..yes. There are teams. If its not a sport its doing a damn fine job of impersonating one. | ||
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category
United States85 Posts
Don't agonize over convincing them that SC is a sport. It would be more worthwhile to convince them that despite being "just a video game," Starcraft really does have some intellectual merit. | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING! Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:24 Dametri wrote: This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature." You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. On September 01 2009 09:33 zazen wrote: There's no set in stone definition of WHAT is a sport, so the main reason I think Starcraft *IS* a sport, is because it has just insane amount of spectator value. I like chess a lot. Ever seen a chess championship? I did. BORING! Watching Starcraft is just an extremely enjoyable experience. It's competitive as fuck, requires a lot of skill both physically and mentally. I fail to see, at the level of dedication progamers are, why it should not be considered a sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. Many people go watch magicians, and other random shit. Spectator value defining it as a sport? Please. | ||
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Dametri
United States726 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote: You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote: dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Curious, I get a different one from you: * Main Entry: dex·ter·i·ty * Pronunciation: \dek-ˈster-ə-tē, -ˈste-rə-\ * Function: noun * Inflected Form(s): plural dex·ter·i·ties * Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French dexterité, from Latin dexteritat-, dexteritas, from dexter * Date: 1518 1 : mental skill or quickness : adroitness 2 : readiness and grace in physical activity; especially : skill and ease in using the hands <manual dexterity> This discussion really doesn't need to continue, seeing as it's entirely about where your definitions come from and your personal opinion. It's kind of going too far when you're trying to feel around in the differences between two dictionary definitions for the same word. | ||
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote: Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. Many people go watch magicians, and other random shit. Spectator value defining it as a sport? Please. You really distorted my point. It's more a combination of a competition + spectators. | ||
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doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
Similarly "eMail" is a subclass of "mail," as it is a type of mail, no? Of course, the semantic approach has limitations; "chainmail" wouldn't be considered a type of "mail (form of communication)" unless you wanted the number of cuil to skyrocket from 1 to like 3 or something. ~_~ | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:33 FabledIntegral wrote: You'd have to pretty dense to try to consider Starcraft athletic whatsoever. You're going out on a huge stretch with your logic. First of all agility does not EQUAL dexterity, you're merely saying it is a facet of. Agility in itself, starcraft does not require. The definition of agility, as used in the definition of athletic "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility." It is a friggin' stationary sport. Ok, cool. Dragonball Z was a sport that I enjoyed spectating apparently when I was in middle school. Many people go watch magicians, and other random shit. Spectator value defining it as a sport? Please. Please let us know how you define a sport. It's what it all come down too. To say it's not a sport becasue it's infront of the computer doesn't make sense, like if you play chess online it's not a sport but if you play it with your noob friends at home it's considered a sport? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:37 Dametri wrote: dex⋅ter⋅i⋅ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dek-ster-i-tee] Show IPA Use dexterity in a Sentence See web results for dexterity See images of dexterity –noun 1. skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. Moving on.. I'd love to refute your other arguments, except you made none and only stated your opinion. Got anything to back it up? Yet they aren't interchangable. You can't just take a definition and assume because it's used somewhere else it's identical. Agility also has the definition of "the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity." It is OBVIOUS from the initial definition of "athleticism" that the use of agility refers to this first definition. If you think it is the second, you are intellectually inept. Simple. Let's see what you're trying to do to prove the definition incorrect... You're going from... Taking the entire definition of sport and bringing out athletic in particular. Now you're taking the word athletic and taking a single word out of that definition, agility. Now you're going further, bypassing the definition of agility used in the sentence itself, aka "the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness," to attempt to include the word dexterity, which is a word that particularly relates to a relatively swift movement of the hands, which connotation wise is referred to as more relating to hand-eye coordination (something Starcraft does not require in the same sense of a moving object coming towards you and hitting/catching it). Wow, you made quite the stretch. I bet you also thought this was true when you read it, as it does the exact same thing you're trying to attempt + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.onemorething.it/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/proof_that_girls_r_evil.jpg) | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:44 DarkShadowz wrote: Please let us know how you define a sport. It's what it all come down too. To say it's not a sport becasue it's infront of the computer doesn't make sense, like if you play chess online it's not a sport but if you play it with your noob friends at home it's considered a sport? Chess is not a sport. I doubt you could name something where you are sitting idly and I could consider it a sport. A sport requires some degree of athleticism, and by my minimum criteria requires that you are not idle in the process. In starcraft, you are idle. In chess, you are idle. Neither are sports. One's a video game, the other is a board game. They just happen to be incredibly entertaining games in their own particular genre. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:44 Thesecretaznman wrote: Is it not reasonable to say that an "eSport" is a sub-class of "sport?" So, with this, we can say that it's a sport. This is purely semantic, but sometimes this is the best (simplest) approach to something. Similarly "eMail" is a subclass of "mail," as it is a type of mail, no? Of course, the semantic approach has limitations; "chainmail" wouldn't be considered a type of "mail (form of communication)" unless you wanted the number of cuil to skyrocket from 1 to like 3 or something. ~_~ E-mail isn't a type of mail. It has properties that are analogous to actual mail, but it isn't a type of mail. Packages and letters are types of mail. | ||
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TheSchwA
United States248 Posts
... Probably not though. | ||
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