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would it be possible for someone or a collection of people to devise a short and concise article, with youtube links (eg artosis/cholera commentated games) , to explain to a random [female] non-gamer, why starcraft is a sport, and why it is worthwhile?
i had a few friends over the other day (aged mid 20s), who dont have the patience/willing to watch a VOD, who say things like "darts is not a sport, starcraft is not a sport" and "it doesnt matter how many people watch it - big brother is competitive and millions watch it"
i know this topic has been made before, but really with so many people here , there should be written (maybe in featured threads) a simple and comprehensive introduction for nongamers to starcraft
ive been friends with these people for 15+ years and they know ive been into sc for half of that time, but i dont seem to be able to connect the basic facts with them. they arent THAT stupid, maybe closed-minded....
i ended up showing that recent 15 second vid someone took at blizzcon fpv of a progamer tapping the keyboard. what i really want is a comprehensive article i can show to people , let them read a certain amount, then play an embedded youtube commentary to illustrate something
i dont know, i guess im blathering a little. maybe it would help if i present this question to you:
how have you successfully introduced a [nongamer] friend to starcraft something that you value and would like your friends to see the value of?
dont give me this crap about "some ppl are just stupid/closed-minded and dont deserve this effort". thats taking the easy way out and a starcraft player is stronger than that imo
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Beat them 1v3 and they will understand that you need mad skill and dedication to be good at this game.
( Any semi decent D+ player should be able to stomp real complete beginners 1v3. )
Then tell them that you suck and there are people ( pros ) 1000x better than you.
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You're an idiot and your friends are right. Darts and starcraft are games not sports.
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On September 01 2009 07:55 EndlessRain wrote:
You're an idiot and your friends are right. Darts and starcraft are games not sports.
Then isn't soccer just a game as well? what about bowling, pool...? They're all just games if played casually. Sports if played competitively.
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On September 01 2009 07:55 EndlessRain wrote:
You're an idiot and your friends are right. Darts and starcraft are games not sports.
I think Starcraft is an (E)sport i'm an idiot ?
[x] Sick competition
[x] Physical skills needed ( close attention, sick brain for multitasking, accuracy, time response etc ..)
[x] You need to play everyday if you want to keep your shape.
[x] People paid to play the game.
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On September 01 2009 07:55 EndlessRain wrote:
You're an idiot and your friends are right. Darts and starcraft are games not sports.
What about Golf? Speed chess or something?
Anyways with the game/sport debate... I find it's not too important. SC is probably "just a game" but so are universally respected games like chess and go and poker (although I guess poker may not be universally respected...)
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StarCraft isn't a sport, it's an e-Sport. There's a small difference, and I don't think we're ready to cross the boundary and refer to them in the same way.
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United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2009 07:56 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 07:55 EndlessRain wrote:
You're an idiot and your friends are right. Darts and starcraft are games not sports. Then isn't soccer just a game as well? what about bowling, pool...? They're all just games if played casually. Sports if played competitively.
Let's not really get into that discussion. Whether or not Starcraft is a sport is entirely up to definitions, along with the thousand other gray-area activities. Strictly speaking, Starcraft isn't a sport in that it isn't an athletic activity, but that definition has been loosened in so many cases that it's all up to personal interpretation at this point.
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This is a very tired subject. As much as I love starcraft, I think it's very stupid to consider it a sport. In my eyes, a sport must need some sort of physicality...whereas starcraft is sitting in front of a computer. I'd take starcraft's side on pretty much any argument, but it's stupid to try to justify it as a sport.
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Osaka27151 Posts
When StarCraft makes it into the Indoor Olympics in Korea this year, EndlessRain is gonna eat those words.
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On September 01 2009 08:00 Sixer wrote:
This is a very tired subject. As much as I love starcraft, I think it's very stupid to consider it a sport. In my eyes, a sport must need some sort of physicality...whereas starcraft is sitting in front of a computer. I'd take starcraft's side on pretty much any argument, but it's stupid to try to justify it as a sport.
Does 400 apm count as physicality?
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Just yell ESPORTS over and over until they get the message.
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On September 01 2009 07:58 Pokebunny wrote:
StarCraft isn't a sport, it's an e-Sport. There's a small difference, and I don't think we're ready to cross the boundary and refer to them in the same way.
i say we start a riot at the next olympic setting, and complain until they put starcraft in it, or until they shoot us all.
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LOLLLLLLLLLL
hahahaha
this article itself is so funny
troll?
idk but
starcraft is definately not a sport
so world of warcraft is a sport too? xD
and moving your fingers around the keyboard is sooooo hard. so piano and typing are sports too? xD
hahaha
just face it. starcraft is a game, a hobby, an "e-sport" but definately not a sport
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If chess is considered a sport, starcraft should be too.
Still i think, it doesnt make any difference if you call it a sport or not. It's what you think it is. Some think its a waste of time, and we love it. Thats it.
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On September 01 2009 08:00 Sixer wrote:
This is a very tired subject. As much as I love starcraft, I think it's very stupid to consider it a sport. In my eyes, a sport must need some sort of physicality...whereas starcraft is sitting in front of a computer. I'd take starcraft's side on pretty much any argument, but it's stupid to try to justify it as a sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports#Mind_sports
Which of these needs some sort of physicality? Yet, they ARE sports
Plus last line about Mind sports: "Competitive Video Games
Video Games are a sport just not a physical sport. I.E Major League Gaming"
Sorry dude, i trust Wikipedia more than you...
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On September 01 2009 08:01 LCC wrote:
Just yell ESPORTS over and over until they get the message.
A valid approach to solving most problems IMO.
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i got this kid at school that said sports must contain a ball of some sort, soccer, football, hockey. Are all considered sports cuz they have a "ball" he also said that michael phelps wasn't an athelete because swimming wasn't a sport and didn't have a ball..
Man that kid got flamed so much by the swimming/cross country coaches its not even funny.
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starcraft is part mind sport and part real sport.
i requires depth of strategy moreso than chess
yet the physical endurance is more used than bowling or golf.
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On September 01 2009 08:03 alt.tday wrote:
LOLLLLLLLLLL
hahahaha
this article itself is so funny
troll?
idk but
starcraft is definately not a sport
so world of warcraft is a sport too? xD
and moving your fingers around the keyboard is sooooo hard. so piano and typing are sports too? xD
hahaha
just face it. starcraft is a game, a hobby, an "e-sport" but definately not a sport
eh obvious troll, i would 2day ban you for this 
mani i shouted SIX ACTIONS PER SECOND at them i WAS getting thru to them, but meh. i swear a comprehensive article with step by step instruction would do (me) a world of good. my friends are all living in different counties now so i dont see them often at all, and not for long, and whilst drunk. a mindblowing article and collection of english vods wud be understandably useful
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On September 01 2009 08:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
Does 400 apm count as physicality?
In all honesty, i'd say no.
To me, it doesn't matter how well you play it, or how competitive it is; starcraft is a video game. It's my favorite game of all time and i've put thousands of hours into it (and continue to daily), but that doesn't justify it as a sport.
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