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I honestly don't view Starcraft as a sport and agree with them. I can't find video games to be a sport, not the way we play them. I understand how the situation is different in Korea, but I define sport as something that requires some form of athleticism or hand-eye coordination. Hands on, physical, interactive.
You could say it's an e-sport, but e-sport =/= sport imo. You can't argue to your friends that you're playing a sport when you go home and play a video game. I'd say even saying you're "competing" in an e-sport is a stretch.
I also would possible contest darts as being a sport, but it would be more so than starcraft at least.
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Osaka27118 Posts
On September 01 2009 08:44 starflash wrote: reach threw that game. who wouldnt tbh. did you see tossgirl in stx? hot damn that should head my fucking article.....damn idiot male friends.....haha
TheSchwA gets a 2day ban fyi
Don't backseat mod.
If you feel like you need to convince your friends, you do the work. Don't come on here asking others to put something together for you.
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Isn't tabletop foosball a sport? Anything requiring exceptionable skill with the use of the body and mind is a sport, and starcraft takes both. If your uncoordinated you lose.
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United States41907 Posts
A lot of sports like snooker or darts have little physical element beyond technique. The same can be said for keyboard muscle memory. Hitting 1a2a3a reliably and building workers every 13 seconds can be practiced the same way as a snooker player practices hitting the ball the exact way he wants it. Endless physical repetition. It's the competition and the mental strategy element that makes those sports and that exists in Starcraft too.
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On September 01 2009 08:42 TheSchwA wrote: Those of you believe StarCraft is a sport are lying to yourselves to make yourselves feel better, and apparently have yet to actually look up the definition of 'sport.' Wikipedia does NOT count as a valid source either..
IMO this is accurate. If people were comfortable with being into a video game to this extent, they wouldn't need to compare it to something else that is generally accepted.
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It's simple to answer.
It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport. It's not a sport if you go by general public's idea of what a sport is.
So you can argue that "technically", starcraft is a sport, but you're not going to get anywhere because most people limit sports to stuff you see on ESPN.
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On September 01 2009 08:26 Avidkeystamper wrote: Just for reference? What type of training do professional golf players undergo? Depends on the golfer. Tiger Woods is known for his insane work out regimes and being one of the most physically fit athletes on tour. Of course all golfers work on their shots as well, some just go above and beyond.
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On September 01 2009 08:50 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 08:44 starflash wrote: reach threw that game. who wouldnt tbh. did you see tossgirl in stx? hot damn that should head my fucking article.....damn idiot male friends.....haha
TheSchwA gets a 2day ban fyi Don't backseat mod. If you feel like you need to convince your friends, you do the work. Don't come on here asking others to put something together for you.
close the thread if thats your attitude. i made my intentions clear
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United States3824 Posts
According to my calculations:
Making Sports Dollars ------->Something is a sport ESPORTS Dollars are a kind of sport dollar Starcraft is an ESPORT ________________________________= Starcraft is a sport.
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On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote: .
It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ.
Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport
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United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2009 08:15 DarkShadowz wrote: The best way is to ask them to define the criterias for a sport. Then try to get them to include chess, curling, football into thoose criterias. When they have managed to form criterias where all thoose fit, you can just point out that SC fit there too. It's just that's it's so new it's not socially accepted yet.
The thing is, chess isn't considered a sport to 100% of the general populace, which is why this is an issue of definitions.
On September 01 2009 08:24 Oai wrote: As far as physical activity/exertion, progamers have to work/train hard for hours a day to keep their hand speed up and to keep their brain (which just like actual muscles need to be exercised) sharp. According to definition, Starcraft is a sport. While most progamers do this, there's a very legitimate argument that since physical training isn't REQUIRED in order to be proficient at the game (IIRC Fantasy has said in interviews he doesn't work out nearly as much as the rest of the team), it doesn't qualify as a sport.
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Osaka27118 Posts
Curling is an Olympic sport, I am pretty sure people consider it a sport.
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On September 01 2009 09:01 cgrinker wrote: According to my calculations:
Making Sports Dollars ------->Something is a sport ESPORTS Dollars are a kind of sport dollar Starcraft is an ESPORT ________________________________= Starcraft is a sport.
hahaha i love this definition gg
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United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:03 Manifesto7 wrote: Curling is an Olympic sport, I am pretty sure people consider it a sport. That's true, though I have met people who don't consider that adequate criteria for a sport (they said Fencing wasn't a sport for some godawful reason). Nonetheless, I'll edit.
Now in relevance to the actual OP:
On September 01 2009 07:40 starflash wrote: how have you successfully introduced a [nongamer] friend to starcraft something that you value and would like your friends to see the value of? In general, trying to show that gaming is something of value to people who haven't done so themselves is kind of hard. How closed-minded are they to gaming in general? Because if they don't see that as an activity of value, you might want to backtrack and start there first.
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Call it an E-sport, call it whatever you want. To me it's a game, just like Pool, Counter Strike, Foosball, Halo, and darts are a game. It may have competition, teams, and sponsorships, but so do spelling bees. Just because you have to think hard and move your hands quick doesn't make it a sport.
A guy in a long division competition that requires him to do jazz hands isn't a sport, regardless of whether or not he hits the gym in between.
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FPVOD might amaze him, preferably one of a fast player, like Bisu
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On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote: .
It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport
You might want to check the dictionary for the word "broad".
Original, sport and game are used interchangeably. It's a recreational activity. The definition you cited is already an artificial one that came about because of society's idea of what a sport is.
On a side note, I just realized that is the most restrictive definition of sports around. SC would be considered a sport by even the strictest definitions on Webster or Cambridge dictionary.
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a sport's a sport
it's not a conventional sport, but it's still a sport.
I mean ffs just look at competitive eating.
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On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote: .
It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
Not a sport here either, champ. Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport This fails to prove anything. Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum. Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature."
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