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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 31 2009 23:50 GMT
#41
I honestly don't view Starcraft as a sport and agree with them. I can't find video games to be a sport, not the way we play them. I understand how the situation is different in Korea, but I define sport as something that requires some form of athleticism or hand-eye coordination. Hands on, physical, interactive.

You could say it's an e-sport, but e-sport =/= sport imo. You can't argue to your friends that you're playing a sport when you go home and play a video game. I'd say even saying you're "competing" in an e-sport is a stretch.

I also would possible contest darts as being a sport, but it would be more so than starcraft at least.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
August 31 2009 23:50 GMT
#42
On September 01 2009 08:44 starflash wrote:
reach threw that game. who wouldnt tbh. did you see tossgirl in stx? hot damn that should head my fucking article.....damn idiot male friends.....haha

TheSchwA gets a 2day ban fyi


Don't backseat mod.

If you feel like you need to convince your friends, you do the work. Don't come on here asking others to put something together for you.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
August 31 2009 23:51 GMT
#43
Isn't tabletop foosball a sport? Anything requiring exceptionable skill with the use of the body and mind is a sport, and starcraft takes both. If your uncoordinated you lose.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44220 Posts
August 31 2009 23:51 GMT
#44
A lot of sports like snooker or darts have little physical element beyond technique. The same can be said for keyboard muscle memory. Hitting 1a2a3a reliably and building workers every 13 seconds can be practiced the same way as a snooker player practices hitting the ball the exact way he wants it. Endless physical repetition. It's the competition and the mental strategy element that makes those sports and that exists in Starcraft too.
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Sixer
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States278 Posts
August 31 2009 23:51 GMT
#45
On September 01 2009 08:42 TheSchwA wrote:
Those of you believe StarCraft is a sport are lying to yourselves to make yourselves feel better, and apparently have yet to actually look up the definition of 'sport.' Wikipedia does NOT count as a valid source either..


IMO this is accurate. If people were comfortable with being into a video game to this extent, they wouldn't need to compare it to something else that is generally accepted.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 23:52:40
August 31 2009 23:52 GMT
#46
It's simple to answer.

It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.
It's not a sport if you go by general public's idea of what a sport is.

So you can argue that "technically", starcraft is a sport, but you're not going to get anywhere because most people limit sports to stuff you see on ESPN.

Meh
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
August 31 2009 23:53 GMT
#47
On September 01 2009 08:26 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Just for reference? What type of training do professional golf players undergo?

Depends on the golfer. Tiger Woods is known for his insane work out regimes and being one of the most physically fit athletes on tour. Of course all golfers work on their shots as well, some just go above and beyond.
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starflash
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
190 Posts
August 31 2009 23:57 GMT
#48
On September 01 2009 08:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 08:44 starflash wrote:
reach threw that game. who wouldnt tbh. did you see tossgirl in stx? hot damn that should head my fucking article.....damn idiot male friends.....haha

TheSchwA gets a 2day ban fyi


Don't backseat mod.

If you feel like you need to convince your friends, you do the work. Don't come on here asking others to put something together for you.


close the thread if thats your attitude. i made my intentions clear
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
September 01 2009 00:01 GMT
#49
According to my calculations:

Making Sports Dollars ------->Something is a sport
ESPORTS Dollars are a kind of sport dollar
Starcraft is an ESPORT
________________________________=
Starcraft is a sport.
TheSchwA
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States248 Posts
September 01 2009 00:01 GMT
#50
On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
.

It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.





Not a sport here either, champ.

Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport
ArtLu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-01 00:06:41
September 01 2009 00:01 GMT
#51
On September 01 2009 08:15 DarkShadowz wrote:
The best way is to ask them to define the criterias for a sport. Then try to get them to include chess, curling, football into thoose criterias. When they have managed to form criterias where all thoose fit, you can just point out that SC fit there too. It's just that's it's so new it's not socially accepted yet.

The thing is, chess isn't considered a sport to 100% of the general populace, which is why this is an issue of definitions.

On September 01 2009 08:24 Oai wrote:
As far as physical activity/exertion, progamers have to work/train hard for hours a day to keep their hand speed up and to keep their brain (which just like actual muscles need to be exercised) sharp. According to definition, Starcraft is a sport.

While most progamers do this, there's a very legitimate argument that since physical training isn't REQUIRED in order to be proficient at the game (IIRC Fantasy has said in interviews he doesn't work out nearly as much as the rest of the team), it doesn't qualify as a sport.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
September 01 2009 00:03 GMT
#52
Curling is an Olympic sport, I am pretty sure people consider it a sport.
ModeratorGodfather
starflash
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
190 Posts
September 01 2009 00:04 GMT
#53
On September 01 2009 09:01 cgrinker wrote:
According to my calculations:

Making Sports Dollars ------->Something is a sport
ESPORTS Dollars are a kind of sport dollar
Starcraft is an ESPORT
________________________________=
Starcraft is a sport.


hahaha i love this definition gg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-01 00:11:32
September 01 2009 00:05 GMT
#54
On September 01 2009 09:03 Manifesto7 wrote:
Curling is an Olympic sport, I am pretty sure people consider it a sport.

That's true, though I have met people who don't consider that adequate criteria for a sport (they said Fencing wasn't a sport for some godawful reason). Nonetheless, I'll edit.

Now in relevance to the actual OP:
On September 01 2009 07:40 starflash wrote:
how have you successfully introduced a [nongamer] friend to starcraft something that you value and would like your friends to see the value of?

In general, trying to show that gaming is something of value to people who haven't done so themselves is kind of hard. How closed-minded are they to gaming in general? Because if they don't see that as an activity of value, you might want to backtrack and start there first.
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Myrkskog
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada481 Posts
September 01 2009 00:06 GMT
#55
Call it an E-sport, call it whatever you want. To me it's a game, just like Pool, Counter Strike, Foosball, Halo, and darts are a game. It may have competition, teams, and sponsorships, but so do spelling bees. Just because you have to think hard and move your hands quick doesn't make it a sport.

A guy in a long division competition that requires him to do jazz hands isn't a sport, regardless of whether or not he hits the gym in between.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
September 01 2009 00:08 GMT
#56
FPVOD might amaze him, preferably one of a fast player, like Bisu
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Nosmo
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-01 00:15:07
September 01 2009 00:14 GMT
#57
I personally haven't introduced someone to starcraft, but there is a guide for it.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
September 01 2009 00:17 GMT
#58
On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
.

It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.





Not a sport here either, champ.

Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport


You might want to check the dictionary for the word "broad".

Original, sport and game are used interchangeably. It's a recreational activity. The definition you cited is already an artificial one that came about because of society's idea of what a sport is.

On a side note, I just realized that is the most restrictive definition of sports around. SC would be considered a sport by even the strictest definitions on Webster or Cambridge dictionary.
Meh
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
September 01 2009 00:20 GMT
#59
a sport's a sport

it's not a conventional sport, but it's still a sport.

I mean ffs just look at competitive eating.
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Dametri
Profile Joined September 2005
United States726 Posts
September 01 2009 00:24 GMT
#60
On September 01 2009 09:01 TheSchwA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 08:52 baubo wrote:
.

It's a sport if you go by the broad dictionary definition of a sport.





Not a sport here either, champ.

Definition from dictionary.com " an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as basketball, football, wrestling, boxing."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

This fails to prove anything.
Definition of athletic: of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.
Dexterity is a facet of agility. If you don't think SC requires dexterity you have no place in this forum.
Dexterity can also be seen as part of "physical prowess", and SC is most certainly of a "competitive nature."
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