EPTbut then again, OZ would phael miserably and SKT would PWN all
what's the fun in that?
[Daily E-sports Exclusive] Jaedong on future - Page 5
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
but then again, OZ would phael miserably and SKT would PWN all what's the fun in that? | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
 "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
It's entirely possible that it's simply some suit-and-tie in the Hwaesung company none of us know of who looked at the new bullshit FA rules and said "We can get away with paying him $140 mil because any other team that wants him would have to shell out around 350 mil to take him from us under the new rules". Jaedong's parents are doing the right thing, I think. It's a no-lose situation, at the very least it puts pressure on Hwaesung Oz to pay Jaedong what he deserves by giving the company negative public attention for perceived abuse of a beloved Starcraft player. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
If a team wants Jaedong right now, they have to pay (70M x2) + new salary (no less than 140M), so at least 280M up front (and probably more if they want to draw Jaedong away from Hwaseung). If Hwaseung kept Jaedong this year and another team wanted to buy him next year, they'd be shelling out (140M x2) + even higher salary, so at least 420M and probably more. Basically, the cost of buying Jaedong this year is going to be ~140M less than buying him in the future, because his salary in the past has been relatively low, but is getting bumped up a notch now. IMO this suggests that Jaedong is likely to be bought, because if a team can't afford 280M now (not much more than Bisu's annual salary), they sure as hell won't be able to afford 420M later. It's now or never, assuming the rules remain the same. ...Right? Edit: Or if a team goes for the [salary + 7th most desirable player] option instead of the [salary x2] option, Jaedong could be had for even less; the only teams that have anything to lose by sacrificing someone outside their top six are STX and CJ, who have very broad line-ups. And those guys have plenty of zergs anyway. Jaedong could be bought for 70M + (say) 250M and a random player; it's still a big expense, but not absolutely prohibitive. The more I think about it, the less I think that this system actually benefits the players themselves; a system that benefited the players would enable them to switch to higher-paying teams easily, whereas this system makes it almost impossible for a good player to actually get bought. Couldn't SKT easily lowball Bisu, for example? If his salary is 250M, they could slash that by 75M and still nobody could buy Bisu because they'd need to be shelling out (250M + ~200M + [250M or a player]). That's 450M and a player, or 700M which is totally insane. So what's stopping a team like SKT from chipping away at an expensive player's salary? These rules seem to make it harder for a player to seek a good contract, not easier. I feel like I must be misunderstanding something here. | ||
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gotwater
United States179 Posts
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:09 nonduc wrote: 2 Djabanete: new Jaedong’s team has to pay 2 x 60M + 180M = 300M. (60M—previous salary; 180M—new salary asked by Jaedong’s parents.) Thanks. And isn't it the case that if Hwaseung hung on to jaedong for a year for 140M, then a purchasing team would need to pay 2 x 140M + 180M = 460M? Seems like if anyone wants to buy Jaedong, now is the time. By my understanding, if Jaedong doesn't transfer now, he'll be stranding himself on Oz for good, for a worse salary than if he transferred. Jaedong stock is higher than it's ever been, and can it realistically get any better? The guy's got to move if he doesn't want to get paid half of what Bisu earns for the rest of his life. (Tell me Jaedong isn't being shafted here --- suppose he does transfer, and commands an 180M salary --- how will he ever get a higher salary than that? He won't be able to use the "I'll transfer" leverage that he has (or his parents have) over OZ, because the cost of a transfer from a 180M salary is astronomical --- 2x180 + ~200 = 560M! So basically, if he doesn't transfer he'll be left with a 140M salary, which is underpaying him massively, and if he does transfer, he'll be absolutely locked in for good with a 180M salary, which is underpaying him slightly. There will be no incentive for a team to give him a pay raise from there, because he's already untouchable at that salary, so they can freely lowball him. Looks to me like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't --- someone please tell me Jaedong isn't just getting shafted here. I can't see how he can possibly work himself up to a Bisu/fantasy level of pay, and yet isn't he worth just as much as them, if not more?) | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:23 Djabanete wrote: Thanks. And isn't it the case that if Hwaseung hung on to jaedong for a year for 140M, then a purchasing team would need to pay 2 x 140M + 180M = 460M? Seems like if anyone wants to buy Jaedong, now is the time. By my understanding, if Jaedong doesn't transfer now, he'll be stranding himself on Oz for good, for a worse salary than if he transferred. Jaedong stock is higher than it's ever been, and can it realistically get any better? The guy's got to move if he doesn't want to get paid half of what Bisu earns for the rest of his life. (Tell me Jaedong isn't being shafted here --- suppose he does transfer, and commands an 180M salary --- how will he ever get a higher salary than that? He won't be able to use the "I'll transfer" leverage that he has (or his parents have) over OZ, because the cost of a transfer from a 180M salary is astronomical --- 2x180 + ~200 = 560M! So basically, if he doesn't transfer he'll be left with a 140M salary, which is underpaying him massively, and if he does transfer, he'll be absolutely locked in for good with a 180M salary, which is underpaying him slightly. There will be no incentive for a team to give him a pay raise from there, because he's already untouchable at that salary, so they can freely lowball him. Looks to me like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't --- someone please tell me Jaedong isn't just getting shafted here. I can't see how he can possibly work himself up to a Bisu/fantasy level of pay, and yet isn't he worth just as much as them, if not more?) He'll have to trust that the team that signs him won't lowball him. A lot of teams are fair or more than fair with their players, especially their top players. SKT, STX, Wemade, CJ, etc. Flash is a bit under paid as well IMO even though KT has the resources. I highly doubt for all that the "child labor terran" does for his team he should be paid at least as much as Bisu (and from the threads that have come out he's making 50 mil less (200kk vs 250kk)). And this is as an SKT fan -_- | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:22 ShaperofDreams wrote: Right now isn't Calm getting paid almost as much? that's just disgraceful. Calm got almost as many kills in the proleague | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
On August 24 2009 08:36 Goragoth wrote: If coach Cho said he would make Jaedong the highest paid progamer and then ended up offering 140m won + bonuses, the most logical explanation to me is that he really had the intention of making Jaedong a great offer (since I'm sure he realizes how valuable he is to the team) but likely got shut down by the accountants/managers in charge of the team finances, or when going begging for more money to the corporate sponsor (Hwaseung). I could easily see him asking for 300m won to pay to his star player, arguing how it would be worth it and being told by the Hwaseung rep that 140m won is as high as he can go. Just a thought before people go blaming the coach for all this, since I imagine it really is mostly out of his hands. First of all, Coach Cho did not say anything. The statement said "Hwaseung has promised to make him the highest paid progamer." Hwaseung is the company. Coach Cho is just like a coach in the NBA. They do not own the players, they just train them and are there for support. Yeah I agree, blaming coach cho is pointless. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:35 psion0011 wrote: Calm got almost as many kills in the proleague 40 vs 54 + 7 (WL Playoffs) Scaling for Calm's 130 mil would put JD at 175.5 or 198.25. He's getting way low-balled either way. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:31 eshlow wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2009 09:23 Djabanete wrote: Thanks. And isn't it the case that if Hwaseung hung on to jaedong for a year for 140M, then a purchasing team would need to pay 2 x 140M + 180M = 460M? Seems like if anyone wants to buy Jaedong, now is the time. By my understanding, if Jaedong doesn't transfer now, he'll be stranding himself on Oz for good, for a worse salary than if he transferred. Jaedong stock is higher than it's ever been, and can it realistically get any better? The guy's got to move if he doesn't want to get paid half of what Bisu earns for the rest of his life. (Tell me Jaedong isn't being shafted here --- suppose he does transfer, and commands an 180M salary --- how will he ever get a higher salary than that? He won't be able to use the "I'll transfer" leverage that he has (or his parents have) over OZ, because the cost of a transfer from a 180M salary is astronomical --- 2x180 + ~200 = 560M! So basically, if he doesn't transfer he'll be left with a 140M salary, which is underpaying him massively, and if he does transfer, he'll be absolutely locked in for good with a 180M salary, which is underpaying him slightly. There will be no incentive for a team to give him a pay raise from there, because he's already untouchable at that salary, so they can freely lowball him. Looks to me like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't --- someone please tell me Jaedong isn't just getting shafted here. I can't see how he can possibly work himself up to a Bisu/fantasy level of pay, and yet isn't he worth just as much as them, if not more?) He'll have to trust that the team that signs him won't lowball him. A lot of teams are fair or more than fair with their players, especially their top players. SKT, STX, Wemade, CJ, etc. Flash is a bit under paid as well IMO even though KT has the resources. I highly doubt for all that the "child labor terran" does for his team he should be paid at least as much as Bisu (and from the threads that have come out he's making 50 mil less (200kk vs 250kk)). And this is as an SKT fan -_- These rules screw over the players in favor of the teams, who have large discretion over what they choose to pay existing players. The salary Oz is offering JD is laughable. + Show Spoiler + Just imagine if the government made a similar rule for all employees... there would be fucking riots. KESPA needs to revisit this one. | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:46 Avidkeystamper wrote: 40 vs 54 + 7 (WL Playoffs) Scaling for Calm's 130 mil would put JD at 175.5 or 198.25. He's getting way low-balled either way. plus JD wins 2 OSL & Special Match as Hwaseung’s player…  | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On August 23 2009 15:19 NeverGG wrote: 'I don't want to lose the happiness that comes from being with the people you love.' Urge to make Homo for Lomo joke rising. Haha just what I was thinking. Anyways, I really hope JD stays with OZ. PL would just be so weird if he was on a different team... | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 24 2009 09:48 citi.zen wrote: These rules screw over the players in favor of the teams, who have large discretion over what they choose to pay existing players. The salary Oz is offering JD is laughable. + Show Spoiler + Just imagine if the government made a similar rule for all employees... there would be fucking riots. KESPA needs to revisit this one. Well, not saying they don't screw over the players... they do. I don't think there's anyone here who wouldn't say KeSPA and their "rules" need HUGE revisions EVERYWHERE. But there are more advantageous situations out there if he wants to get paid that is. Sounds like he's not concerned about that so much, but his parents are and hopefully have his best interests in mind. We'll see what happens in a week or so. | ||
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