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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
November 04 2005 01:28 GMT
#21
On November 04 2005 10:20 collegeBored wrote:
the next sc commentator (im hoping its not whacksteven) should read this and memorize it.

I'm hoping that is why bunny asked this (ie I hope she'll cast SC sometime ).

I dont really mind whacksteven though, especially not if he'd learn a bit more about how to play BW (ie what unit abilities are called, would sound more professional).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Redcloak
Profile Joined December 2002
United States530 Posts
November 04 2005 01:36 GMT
#22
WackSteven's not ever going to have the time to put into knowing what is going on strategy-wise, so he's never going to get "better" than he is. The guy should be relegated to the role of color commentator, while some random know-a-bunch BW player does the true strategical analysis.

I think Steven made the comment that a sportscaster won't say what is going to happen before a play. That's true. However, when they see them line up in a certain formation, or they're using a certain defense, they do have the knowledge to say WHY the team is doing that. What their objective is for using it. That's something he can't do with BW, and that's why people who are very knowledgeable grow frustrated with his play-by-play.
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zero89
Profile Joined September 2004
United States295 Posts
November 04 2005 01:41 GMT
#23
very nice read
good job!
Cause everything is nothing, and emptiness is in everything. Cause reality is really just a fuct up dream...
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 01:49:17
November 04 2005 01:47 GMT
#24
Just some random information:

Yellow actually did win a Starleague, he beat NaDa in the finals of the Challenger Open Starleague on GhemTV (I don't remember exactly when this was, but it was shortly after their return from ClikArena in France)

SKELTON was also a champion in Atrox and Jurassic War along with Kingdom Under Fire, WarCraft III, and StarCraft

[z-zone]Byun is now the coach of the PLUS Proteam

Some of Nal_rA's nicknames are Field of Flowers Toss and Dreamer Toss

The event where Grrr made the finals was the 99 Seoul Cup Tournament where he lost to October, he wasn't in the [Oops] guild

Kyo[3.33] is also TheRock[3.33]

I think you should mention Oddysay, St.Eagle, JinNam, some other less famous players who did alot to develop how people played the game. Personally, I think Lee Ki Seok (SSamJang? SamJJang?) does deserve a place here even if few people remember him

I haven't finished reading it, but if I think of anything else, I'll try to help add to the article
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
bunny
Profile Joined November 2005
United States24 Posts
November 04 2005 01:51 GMT
#25
On November 04 2005 10:28 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I'm hoping that is why bunny asked this (ie I hope she'll cast SC sometime ).



As far as top players goes... you provided me exactly what I was looking for. I really couldn't have asked for more, you're just awesome!

I played SC for the first time last night after 3-4 years... and wow, it's been a long time I forgot how fun and fast pace this game could be. I can't say I miss the GUI too much though. Though one thing is for sure... SC music > WC3 music !!

I've been reading A LOT of the strategy threads in these forums and I think the community here is great and so helpful. I have platypus to thank for showing me this site
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 04 2005 01:54 GMT
#26
On November 04 2005 09:32 sundance wrote:
2nd KPGA Tour was the first starleague (yes it was starleague) that nada have won.


Indeed, somehow only osl comes to mind when I read 'starleague'. -_-
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Passion
Profile Joined December 2003
Netherlands1486 Posts
November 04 2005 02:01 GMT
#27
;o any one can get 15k like this. pff


seriously: good stuff:D
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
November 04 2005 02:06 GMT
#28
By the way FA, do you remember when you said you were looking for a 2 hour VOD?
I think I've found it, but I can't remember the description you gave
Please remind me T_T
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 02:10:46
November 04 2005 02:08 GMT
#29
On November 04 2005 10:47 pubbanana wrote:
Just some random information:

Yellow actually did win a Starleague, he beat NaDa in the finals of the Challenger Open Starleague on GhemTV (I don't remember exactly when this was, but it was shortly after their return from ClikArena in France)

SKELTON was also a champion in Atrox and Jurassic War along with Kingdom Under Fire, WarCraft III, and StarCraft

[z-zone]Byun is now the coach of the PLUS Proteam

Some of Nal_rA's nicknames are Field of Flowers Toss and Dreamer Toss

The event where Grrr made the finals was the 99 Seoul Cup Tournament where he lost to October, he wasn't in the [Oops] guild

Kyo[3.33] is also TheRock[3.33]

I think you should mention Oddysay, St.Eagle, JinNam, some other less famous players who did alot to develop how people played the game. Personally, I think Lee Ki Seok (SSamJang? SamJJang?) does deserve a place here even if few people remember him

I haven't finished reading it, but if I think of anything else, I'll try to help add to the article

Thanks =]
Yeah, I was thinking about mentioning oddysay for his TvT. JinNam contributed a lot to ZvP right? St.Eagle = Metal. SSamJang = 2 fac tank vulture rush?
Oo

On November 04 2005 11:06 pubbanana wrote:
By the way FA, do you remember when you said you were looking for a 2 hour VOD?
I think I've found it, but I can't remember the description you gave
Please remind me T_T

!!
GhemTV Prelims, I think elky was in it.. They walked around Seoul (I think it was Seoul) a bit as well..

If you've found it <3333333
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
November 04 2005 02:11 GMT
#30
Yes, GhemTV
I'll put it on YouSendIt in abit
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
November 04 2005 02:31 GMT
#31
That's just awesome :D Been looking for it forever, had so much fun watching that one day when I was home sick. One of the most inspiring vods ever for some reason.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3821 Posts
November 04 2005 02:35 GMT
#32
great stuff
this should be included NOW at the articles section

just to correct something: elky nuked v-gundam at the group stage, as he (gundam) never made it out of his group. He came in 3rd, losing to naz and elky. That rep was never released though.

On a side note, that was a really tough group, take a look:
v-gundam, elky, nazgul, fisheye, tomson and alejandro_mx

of course some of these players skills were different at the time, with naz rulling it out and elky at his pick, but if you put them at the their best skills in a group today, great games should come out of it
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 02:45:22
November 04 2005 02:38 GMT
#33
I don think ssamjang neesd to be mentioned honestly. Or else u gotta do shit like B-Blade Leader and TheBoy.. who all despite being great players, really don't have much of an influence today... not like the other old players u named.

Also, you only have 3 or so zergs still playing... but my fanboyism says put in Jju! Father of the drone, sunken whore-ism just like most GsP zergs (Gyuntae comes to mind especially, TheWind too, and chojja's an exception) and placed 4th in an OGN right? He played fackin hot that year though...

If I remember correctly (high chances I wont, Im really high right now) but Byun was infamous for 3 hatch power hydra play wasn't he? He played vs Grrr in that invitational to China or Taiwan or something and I'm pretty sure he walked up and down Grrr when Grr was considered premier toss... then had to go to army to the dismay of Korean zerg fanboys everywhere...

Oh god... I can feel my age in this community.. T.T
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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
November 04 2005 02:45 GMT
#34
The difference between SSamJang and [B_Blade]Leader and TheBoy and Honest and all of the other old progamers is that SSamJang made the game alot more popular in general. He was the one who showed the world that Terran could be played at a high level at a time when everyone considered it to be the weakest race. He was also the first progamer to get his own commercial on TV, and to appear on various game shows doing commentaries and such. He really was the first superstar of progaming. He was also the first to publish his own book about SC, even before Boxer and the one written by NaDa, TheMarine, and JinNam
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 03:19:48
November 04 2005 03:16 GMT
#35
On November 04 2005 11:45 pubbanana wrote:
The difference between SSamJang and [B_Blade]Leader and TheBoy and Honest and all of the other old progamers is that SSamJang made the game alot more popular in general. He was the one who showed the world that Terran could be played at a high level at a time when everyone considered it to be the weakest race. He was also the first progamer to get his own commercial on TV, and to appear on various game shows doing commentaries and such. He really was the first superstar of progaming. He was also the first to publish his own book about SC, even before Boxer and the one written by NaDa, TheMarine, and JinNam

Wasn't the book written by NaDa, InToTheRain and Jinnam? Or TheMarine, IntoTheRain and JinNam?

Could have sworn rain was in on it at least +_+a

On November 04 2005 11:35 Raidern wrote:
great stuff
this should be included NOW at the articles section

just to correct something: elky nuked v-gundam at the group stage, as he (gundam) never made it out of his group. He came in 3rd, losing to naz and elky. That rep was never released though.

On a side note, that was a really tough group, take a look:
v-gundam, elky, nazgul, fisheye, tomson and alejandro_mx

of course some of these players skills were different at the time, with naz rulling it out and elky at his pick, but if you put them at the their best skills in a group today, great games should come out of it


Thanks, will edit it.

On November 04 2005 11:38 SuperJongMan wrote:
I don think ssamjang neesd to be mentioned honestly. Or else u gotta do shit like B-Blade Leader and TheBoy.. who all despite being great players, really don't have much of an influence today... not like the other old players u named.

Also, you only have 3 or so zergs still playing... but my fanboyism says put in Jju! Father of the drone, sunken whore-ism just like most GsP zergs (Gyuntae comes to mind especially, TheWind too, and chojja's an exception) and placed 4th in an OGN right? He played fackin hot that year though...

If I remember correctly (high chances I wont, Im really high right now) but Byun was infamous for 3 hatch power hydra play wasn't he? He played vs Grrr in that invitational to China or Taiwan or something and I'm pretty sure he walked up and down Grrr when Grr was considered premier toss... then had to go to army to the dismay of Korean zerg fanboys everywhere...

Oh god... I can feel my age in this community.. T.T


I was thinking of putting in JJU because I hear he's absolutely amazing at making well timed zerg builds.. And he uses queens (sonic)black does too :X, and sinji used to I think).

Hm. Dunno what else to write about him though.. Maybe I could do a queen writeup feauturing Drone, JJU, Sonic)Black and Sinji ;D

Anyhow, I think you are right about byun, at least every game I have seen of him was mass all in rush early on (lings hydras).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
November 04 2005 03:39 GMT
#36
Kek, I forgot to add IntoTheRain
All four of them wrote on that book about 1.08 build orders +_+

Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 04:01:34
November 04 2005 04:00 GMT
#37
Very nice - how about the pre-Grrr... era though? Possibly in a section together - as you do list other "retired" players who changed the game.

Maynard - The first player to truly understand the concept of "macro" at this game from what I can remember. Invented the famous "Maynard" transfer - and was regarded as the undisputed best player in the game shortly after its release. I think I even heard he used to win 1vs2 against other players considered "good" at the time.

d23-Gadianator (spelling?) - I believe won SC:BW PGL Season 3. Did it being completely random (partly in an attempt to prove SC was balanced), and using many offensive "cheese" strats (including offensive bunkering). Was said to have incredibly fast mouse speed by those who watched him play at the time. Eventually Logitech even released a gaming mouse "endorsed" by him. Quit serious SC:BW gaming shortly after the above.

Of course, those are only two examples - but there are other arguables (Zileas, credited with perfecting reaver dropping, used scouts(!) sometimes PvZ on Dire Straits to great success, and was later hired by Blizzard. Pillars, who played professionally in Korea for ~3 months, was highly regarded worldwide for intelligent play, and won the WCGC 2000 USA WCG Qualifier in NYC, but could not take time off from college to attend. d22-soso won the a Blizzard sponsered ladder tournament for a few thousand dollars, as well as many other high placements in other events. Etc).

Without replays, knowledge of how they played is admittedly sketchy though. Excluding one PGL game against Pillars, I myself only had multiple games against "great but sub-best" players like {PH}Jester, Sindread, and Kain-The-Feared back then - so the above information is also 3rd hand from others/stuff I read back then. Perhaps some other old-school player might have more knowledge on them?
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2956 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-04 04:12:02
November 04 2005 04:10 GMT
#38
could add NTT too then ;D

very nice job btw
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
November 04 2005 04:12 GMT
#39
Sir@soni? T_T
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
November 04 2005 04:18 GMT
#40
On November 04 2005 13:00 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
Very nice - how about the pre-Grrr... era though? Possibly in a section together - as you do list other "retired" players who changed the game.

Maynard - The first player to truly understand the concept of "macro" at this game from what I can remember. Invented the famous "Maynard" transfer - and was regarded as the undisputed best player in the game shortly after its release. I think I even heard he used to win 1vs2 against other players considered "good" at the time.

d23-Gadianator (spelling?) - I believe won SC:BW PGL Season 3. Did it being completely random (partly in an attempt to prove SC was balanced), and using many offensive "cheese" strats (including offensive bunkering). Was said to have incredibly fast mouse speed by those who watched him play at the time. Eventually Logitech even released a gaming mouse "endorsed" by him. Quit serious SC:BW gaming shortly after the above.

Of course, those are only two examples - but there are other arguables (Zileas, credited with perfecting reaver dropping, used scouts(!) sometimes PvZ on Dire Straits to great success, and was later hired by Blizzard. Pillars, who played professionally in Korea for ~3 months, was highly regarded worldwide for intelligent play, and won the WCGC 2000 USA WCG Qualifier in NYC, but could not take time off from college to attend. d22-soso won the a Blizzard sponsered ladder tournament for a few thousand dollars, as well as many other high placements in other events. Etc).

Without replays, knowledge of how they played is admittedly sketchy though. Excluding one PGL game against Pillars, I myself only had multiple games against "great but sub-best" players like {PH}Jester, Sindread, and Kain-The-Feared back then - so the above information is also 3rd hand from others/stuff I read back then. Perhaps some other old-school player might have more knowledge on them?

Yeah I remembered about maynard shorty before this post
But I know too little about that era to really write anything worthwhile. ToKoreaWithLove/some others I remember did nice writeups on this though..
And I think gadiantron or however it's written did post a couple of times on this site when a topic about him was made.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
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