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TechniQ.UK
United Kingdom391 Posts
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
On January 29 2008 17:35 Krohm wrote: Is God Omnipotent? See Christian Bible. Yeah. Which Christian denomination do you follow? It might help to know, because a lot of them have very widely varying doctrines. | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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Never Post
United Kingdom503 Posts
i.e. What makes it more "correct" than any other religion in the world. | ||
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Klaz
Ireland334 Posts
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
I am somewhat conflicted in my thoughts on religion, because I have at my fingertips thousands of years of information that proves that religion has had both an enormous positive influence, and an enormous negative influence, on the world. Which of those is larger is another question for another day. However, I realize that a good Christian upbringing, or a good religious upbringing of any sort, so long as it isn't a cult or something like that, is one way to create a moral upstanding citizen. I say one way because I believe Atheists/Agnostics (of which I would call myself the latter) can be moral and just people. (both of which I believe myself to be.) Also, conversely, things such as religious extremism can make what I consider to be a not moral/just person, as I believe killing/segregating/pressuring in any way in the name of god is an oxymoron. I am just curious what your personal take on this issue is, as I have never personally asked this question to someone of a religious background. I'm not sure if that was really a question, just looking for your thoughts. | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
I read the Bible, but that thing doesnt make fucking sense at all. | ||
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mel_ee
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On January 29 2008 18:47 chicken` wrote: how is christianity better than scientology? they're both brainwashing cults that promise things which are not proven to be true/exist. I'm atheist but according to this theorem not everything can be proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorem | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On January 29 2008 19:21 sundance wrote: I'm atheist but according to this theorem not everything can be proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorem There's a difference something being proven empirically and being proven deductively (although there surely are things that can't be empirically proven, any universal positive, for example). And to my understanding Godel's Theorem just proved that in a sufficiently powerful logical system, it's always possible by encoding statements within statements to generate a statement that reduces to something along the lines of "This statement is false". To extrapolate this to "there's a limit to human reason" or whatever, usually while implying that we should just give up inquiry (although I know that you didn't say this) is quite a far stretch. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11602 Posts
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On January 29 2008 20:49 CaucasianAsian wrote: Why don't christians find ways to die when they "know" for a fact that when they do they will end up in a utopia where you can only be euphoric because its fuckin heaven? Life is a gift given by God, and if we were to take it away in a selfish act of trying to get into a heavenly utopia, we would be throwing away this precious gift, which is why suicide is such a taboo in Christianity. It's not ours to take away. Do not take life for granted. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On January 29 2008 18:33 Lemonwalrus wrote: This may come off as insulting, but please try to keep in mind that I am just curious and that I honestly respect your choice/way of life. (although it differs from mine personally) I am somewhat conflicted in my thoughts on religion, because I have at my fingertips thousands of years of information that proves that religion has had both an enormous positive influence, and an enormous negative influence, on the world. Which of those is larger is another question for another day. However, I realize that a good Christian upbringing, or a good religious upbringing of any sort, so long as it isn't a cult or something like that, is one way to create a moral upstanding citizen. I say one way because I believe Atheists/Agnostics (of which I would call myself the latter) can be moral and just people. (both of which I believe myself to be.) Also, conversely, things such as religious extremism can make what I consider to be a not moral/just person, as I believe killing/segregating/pressuring in any way in the name of god is an oxymoron. I am just curious what your personal take on this issue is, as I have never personally asked this question to someone of a religious background. I'm not sure if that was really a question, just looking for your thoughts. That wasn't really a question as much as it was your opinion that religion can be a mixed blessing. It's really easy to call yourself Christian. You can do it right now. You can call yourself a messenger of God and shoot a few people, then off yourself. Infact, it's been done a lot. You can spend an hour in church every week, but do nothing to get closer in your relationship with God, or apply the teachings in your life at all. Many people do this. They have the best intentions, but they think as long as they go each week, they're set. They're simply misguided and need a little direction. You can't have Christianity without power. Getting closer with God is the most fulfilling thing a person can do. It quenches a thirst that is so deep that it acts on the soul, aswell as the body. The very nature of this relationship brings with it, a lot of power. Power is not a bad thing. Abuse of power is. It's the same with Love. Love is powerful, and if you abuse it, terrible things can happen. Christianity isn't to blame for wars. Christianity explicitly teaches against all immoral acts, acts of hatred, acts of sin. To Kill, to manipulate, to abuse power. If a man uses things acts for themselves, you can be assured, nomatter what they call themselves, they are anything but close with God. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
There is no empirical proof for any religion beliefs. The bible for instance, taken alone, proves nothing. (Conan the Barbarian also claims to be 100% fact). Additionally, we live in a time where things that once needed to be explained by a god(s), can now be explained without. However, people often believe for other reasons. Perhaps they've simply been brought up that way, slowly moving towards utter belief. Perhaps they, like my girlfriend, feel as if they have been in touch with God, that he has helped them in some way, emotionally or physically. Perhaps they believe for fear of the consequences of not believing (eternal suffering). Maybe one might feel as if their faith has helped them become a better person, as this is reason enough. Certainly, we cannot prove that God does not exist, as unlikely as his existence may seem, from empirical evidence. My question is this: What are good reasons for a belief in Christianity or indeed any religion? Which reasons are not valid reasons? Which reason(s) do you base your own beliefs upon? I realise your answer may need to be two-fold, once for Christianity and once for religions in general. Again, I apologise for the rather confrontational post. I'm not trying to sway your faith, but to broaden my knowledge. Oh, also... What is your favourite passage from the bible and why? | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
On January 29 2008 20:15 Wonders wrote: And to my understanding Godel's Theorem just proved that in a sufficiently powerful logical system, it's always possible by encoding statements within statements to generate a statement that reduces to something along the lines of "This statement is false". Actually, with a powerful enough logic system, we can resolve these paradoxes in several ways. See wikipedia article here. Alethios, the traditional answer is "faith." You believe because you believe, not because of some other reason. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On January 29 2008 18:47 chicken` wrote: how is christianity better than scientology? they're both brainwashing cults that promise things which are not proven to be true/exist. You can say that about every belief system. And if you honestly think that Christianity and Scientology are compareable, you haven't studied either enough. I'm not Christian, but its a silly comparison. Its like those people who compare Islam to a cult or Buddhism to Satanism. Just ignorant. | ||
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