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Hey all,
As some of you may know I've been attending a korean church where literally everyone is very nice to me. I am the only white person under 60 in their church.
Some of the Koreans can speak both English and Korean but many can only speak Korean.. so most of the conversation amongst them is korean, in fact the only time anything is ever said in english is when people are talking/translating to me.
Because of this language barrier its makes it very hard to kind of become part of a group.
So I am considering taking up korean.. but I'm not sure if it is a good idea.
I heard korean is a very hard language to learn more complicated than japanese and korean. One korean demonstrated his point by asking me to repeat a verse he spoke in korean. I know there are a few korean speakers here on TL.
Another problem is that i have no real way to learn.. besides books with audio cd's and a few (28) pimsleur lessons. Not exactly the best way to learn.
Poll: Should I take up Korean?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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I voted yes because once you learn Korean to the extent you can understand what people are saying, you'll never need to go through the boring English commentary of Starcraft Proleague ever again!!! And you can just tune in and listen to what the Korean commentators have to say!!! ^_^
Edit: As for learning korean, I know some colleges/universities have Korean courses where I took Korean courses at my former univ but now my new college that I transferred to don't have any.... or you can let someone tutor you from church.... possibly ideas and reasons for korean girls to tutor you! ^_^
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Per definition, you should take up Korean classes. Whether or not you will be able to flawlessly pronounce the Korean words does not matter but to communicate within this community seems way more important.
By the way, if you want to learn Korean, then you will find a way to do so. The FIRST thing you should do is search TL for guides (and there are plenty of them!)...
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On August 17 2009 09:46 QuickStriker wrote:
I voted yes because once you learn Korean to the extent you can understand what people are saying, you'll never need to go through the boring English commentary of Starcraft Proleague ever again!!! And you can just tune in and listen to what the Korean commentators have to say!!! ^_^
Very good point! + If i ever visit Korean like I really want to, I'd have an easier time.
Another problem is that after reading and mastering that book and going through the lessons.. I'd only have a semi-decent vocabulary. After that I don't know how I would learn more.
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On August 17 2009 09:49 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 09:46 QuickStriker wrote:
I voted yes because once you learn Korean to the extent you can understand what people are saying, you'll never need to go through the boring English commentary of Starcraft Proleague ever again!!! And you can just tune in and listen to what the Korean commentators have to say!!! ^_^ Very good point! + If i ever visit Korean like I really want to, I'd have an easier time. Another problem is that after reading and mastering that book and going through the lessons.. I'd only have a semi-decent vocabulary. After that I don't know how I would learn more.
Well, here's the thing, I know Korean but I still haven't mastered it nor know it fully 100%. However, once you reach at least the 50% mark of listening skills of korean, just listening to the matches of SC in Korean commentary just help a bit and it slowly improves you by a little. Before I started watching PL and now, I think I went at least 5-10% of my Korean listening/talking skills... :D
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It's my opinion but Korean is probably the easiest east Asian language you can probably learn, especially compared to Chinese and Japanese (to me)
But it obviously won't be easy, it'll come down to your hard work
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You sure have won the thread!
That being said, I looked at the "Korean Guide" thread back in 2006 and it has like 100s of words from english to korean... really useful! ^_^
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It's really not THAT hard for you to pull it off as a foreignor. It's not like anyone's gonna look at you like a retard if you get a few things wrong and such, you have much more to gain than lose by going for it. It will make you look more intelligent when you speak with other Koreans and I personally think it's less complicated than English once you get all the basics down. So many useless variations and slangs in English -_-
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Why are u even in a korean church -_-
let me take a wild guess, for the cute korea girls there ;p
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So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far.
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On August 17 2009 10:11 Wotans_Fire wrote:
So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far.
yeah its retarted, your doing it for the girls 100% not becuase of your faith.
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On August 17 2009 10:11 Wotans_Fire wrote:
So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far.
It's not like we believe in different religions... Like for my church there are a few white people around as well, but we have an English speaking ministry and Korean ministry separately, so I guess that makes more sense... Funny thing is half the Koreans in the English ministry can't even speak Korean fluently =_=;
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On August 17 2009 10:13 theobsessed1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 10:11 Wotans_Fire wrote:
So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far. It's not like we believe in different religions... Like for my church there are a few white people around as well, but we have an English speaking ministry and Korean ministry separately, so I guess that makes more sense... Funny thing is half the Koreans in the English ministry can't even speak Korean fluently =_=;
Thats because alot of immigrant koreans cant speak korean so they have an EM (English Ministry) But what the OP is doing is purposely goign to a church and listening to sermons hes got no idea about. Theres soemtjhig seriously wrong, hes not doing it for God or his faith but probably something else that the hasnt told us about.
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Learn it man, you go to the church its going to help you out so much. plenty of online stuff thats free just have to look around
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What i want to know is the OP's intentions.
BTW my tone is harsh because i go to a Korean church and there are a couple of canadians who come there that are only there to see the women. It gets me pissed off that people do this and during prayer,sermon all they do is try hitting up a convo with the girls. Its annoying, hypocrticial and filled with wrong intentions.
I dont have 100% proof that the OP is doing what i have just said alot of Canadians do, but if he is shame on him. Im sorry if im falsely accusing you of this. But seriously you dont know how to speak korean and you listen to korean sermons ? ...
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it could be the only church in the area.
also to the OP, i think the language they use in church is much much more formal than people would use in daily life. if you stay at church long enough to pick up some words, they might not even be used in regular conversation. and likewise, if you learn korean from textbooks and people (where they use conversational korean), you might still not understand the sermons.
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It took me about 2 days to learn how to read korean. It also took me not that much time to become pretty good at speaking it (I was able to converse with a friend pretty quickly), as well as type it (the keyboard is also not difficult). However, the difficult part is learning how to talk formally or informally and when to do that (and there's a lot of different degrees of informality and so on), especially on your own without living in the country. My friend kept telling me that I was talking like a Korean textbook. Anyways, the point of that is, Korean is actually not that hard to learn on your own except for using it in conversation (and even then, if you're around Korean people your age, you'll eventually pick it up).
Why you are attending a Korean church, I don' t know, however, I do know that if it's a Korean church (even in America), it's hard to get along since they will converse mostly in Korean since most of the people there are Korean. If you find it worth your time to assimilate with the group, then yea, by all means do it. But you know, if you want Korean girls or Korean friends, there are plenty to meet in better places like school or something, places that don't require you to learn a completely new language since you DO live in America. However, if you just find Korean smooth, flowing, and cool like I did, then just learn it for fun anyways. Difficulty is definitely not an issue.
For learning, I actually had access to a textbook written in Korea (a friend lent it). But, I don't really think that's necessary if you just want to converse with people. If I were you I would just learn the basic structure of the language along with some key, high use vocab words and then find a Korean friend that will "talk" to you and tell you if you say something wrong. A lot of the formal rules you would use in writing or more formal tones of Korean are pretty much ignored in conversation (like English). There are plenty of websites if you want to learn "proper" Korean to build a base as well.
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On August 17 2009 10:44 nevake wrote:
It took me about 2 days to learn how to read korean. It also took me not that much time to become pretty good at speaking it (I was able to converse with a friend pretty quickly), as well as type it (the keyboard is also not difficult). However, the difficult part is learning how to talk formally or informally and when to do that (and there's a lot of different degrees of informality and so on), especially on your own without living in the country. My friend kept telling me that I was talking like a Korean textbook. Anyways, the point of that is, Korean is actually not that hard to learn on your own except for using it in conversation (and even then, if you're around Korean people your age, you'll eventually pick it up).
Why you are attending a Korean church, I don' t know, however, I do know that if it's a Korean church (even in America), it's hard to get along since they will converse mostly in Korean since most of the people there are Korean. If you find it worth your time to assimilate with the group, then yea, by all means do it. But you know, if you want Korean girls or Korean friends, there are plenty to meet in better places like school or something, places that don't require you to learn a completely new language since you DO live in America. However, if you just find Korean smooth, flowing, and cool like I did, then just learn it for fun anyways. Difficulty is definitely not an issue.
For learning, I actually had access to a textbook written in Korea (a friend lent it). But, I don't really think that's necessary if you just want to converse with people. If I were you I would just learn the basic structure of the language along with some key, high use vocab words and then find a Korean friend that will "talk" to you and tell you if you say something wrong. A lot of the formal rules you would use in writing or more formal tones of Korean are pretty much ignored in conversation (like English). There are plenty of websites if you want to learn "proper" Korean to build a base as well.
yeah learning korea IMO is easier than learning french or english. Its just the way the language is structure making it easier to learn. It took me a while to learn English when i first came to canada whereas when i forgot the korean language, it took me a year or two to speak/write/ listen fluently. Just get korean connections.
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On August 17 2009 10:19 SanguineToss wrote:
What i want to know is the OP's intentions.
BTW my tone is harsh because i go to a Korean church and there are a couple of canadians who come there that are only there to see the women. It gets me pissed off that people do this and during prayer,sermon all they do is try hitting up a convo with the girls. Its annoying, hypocrticial and filled with wrong intentions.
I dont have 100% proof that the OP is doing what i have just said alot of Canadians do, but if he is shame on him. Im sorry if im falsely accusing you of this. But seriously you dont know how to speak korean and you listen to korean sermons ? ...
I totally agree. Church should be a place for religious purposes, not for some loser kid trying to pick up asian chicks
As a half-assed Christian, I really hope you do go to Hell if that is your intention, using Christ as your excuse to pick up women. If its not, it shouldn't apply to you and no harm done
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On August 17 2009 10:25 29 fps wrote:
it could be the only church in the area.
This, I find really hard to believe. Koreans don't make churches in the middle of nowhere. Usually, you will find Asian population in populated areas where there are other Asians. (Chinese/Koreans in LA, Japanese population in Seattle, Korean/Chinese population in Atlanta, huge Chinese popoulation in NYC)
And if its a populated area (where you will find Asian population), there WILL be a church. America is the only other country I saw where churches were everywhere you look, I guess it only makes sense because this is technically a Christian nation.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
'I heard korean is a very hard language to learn more complicated than japanese and Chinese (?). '
In my opinion Korean is very easy to read/write, but the difficulties come from listening and grammar (for me anyway.) It's definitely easier than Japanese and Chinese because it is not as tonal as Chinese (so I've heard.) and you only have to memorize one alphabet as opposed to two for Japanese (hiragana and katakana.) plus Kanji or a shedload of characters for Chinese. I'd say go for it! There are plenty of good language books around. I'm currently using the Arirang series and Korean Made Easy. Try to always get on with a CD/tape or downloadable mp3s because listening is one of the toughest elements of Korean.
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Just by seeing no reply from the OP im sure my guess is totally right. If it is, i sure wish you seriously grow up and get a life.
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On August 17 2009 11:18 NeverGG wrote:
'I heard korean is a very hard language to learn more complicated than japanese and Chinese (?). '
In my opinion Korean is very easy to read/write, but the difficulties come from listening and grammar (for me anyway.) It's definitely easier than Japanese and Chinese because it is not as tonal as Chinese (so I've heard.) and you only have to memorize one alphabet as opposed to two for Japanese (hiragana and katakana.) plus Kanji or a shedload of characters for Chinese. I'd say go for it! There are plenty of good language books around. I'm currently using the Arirang series and Korean Made Easy. Try to always get on with a CD/tape or downloadable mp3s because listening is one of the toughest elements of Korean.
I've had experience with Korean, Japanese, Chinese and I'd have to say its depends on each aspect. For example, Chinese grammar rules is very easy to pick up but their tone/speech combined with their gruesome writing system makes it hard to learn completely. The way you pronounce the same word can make completely different meaning. Japanese grammar is very similar to Koreans, incredibly identical, and even some vocabulary as well. No seriously, Japanese grammar structure, their "wa / ni / no / desu" verb system is ridiculously similar to Korean's (nuen / eun) system. The only difference is that Korean writing system/reading is a lot easier than Japanese because it doesn't use Kanji in everyday writing. Japanese writing/reading is harder than Korean but easier than Chinese. Katakana + Kanji is a pain in the ass but Hiragana is very easy to learn. I've noticed that Chinese grammar is very similar to English.
So in short, if you are Korean, you should be able to pick up Japanese easier but Chinese less easier. If you are American, you should be able to pick up Chinese easier but Korean and Japanese will be harder
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On August 17 2009 11:32 AzureEye wrote:
So in short, if you are Korean, you should be able to pick up Japanese easier but Chinese less easier. If you are American, you should be able to pick up Chinese easier but Korean and Japanese will be harder
Yup, I heard this as well.
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How about if I'm Chinese-American? =/
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i personally find it really difficult to remember korean because there aren't any chinese characters...
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You do not have a good reason to learn korean.
You do not have a good reason to go to church... especially that one.
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You should definitely try to learn some basic phrases; I'm Korean myself so I wouldn't know how difficult it is to learn, but I'm sure it's not THAT much harder than learning any other language...
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i just finished the first level of korean on pimsleur (the 30 lessons) .. getting lvl 2 now. i knew how to read/write korean since forever but i never bothered doing anything with it. this summer i figured i could do something on the subway going to work so over the past like.. 1.5 months or so i was doing this. so consider this my plug for pimsleur because (unlike rosetta stone which i also have but gave up since internet is distracting) i think it actually helped me learn a little
no idea why i'm learning it actually, i mean i learned to read it a long time ago when i was into starcraft/lineage but i don't follow sc at all anymore. i think it's just something to do, since gaming is getting pretty boring in general for me.
i dunno if i'm making any progress though lol. i guess i sort of know some basics but it's a little hard to say. anyone wanna come chill on vent some time and help me out? :p
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going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha.
edit: it works too
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On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha.
Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post.
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On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post.
ok let me say it again
going after korean chicks (even in a church) is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha.
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The discussion has nothing to do with why he is in the church or his intentions with the girls at said church. He's just asking if it's worth his effort to learn the language to converse with the people he sees on a regular basis. Whether or not he uses that knowledge to try and get with the church girls is completely irrelevant...
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i doubt that he's at the Korean church for chicks, churchy Korean girls are such bitches
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We've yet to hear a response from the OP lolol
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It's cuz he's busy trying to pick up Korean girls in Church! It's Sunday you know?!
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On August 17 2009 10:12 SanguineToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 10:11 Wotans_Fire wrote:
So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far. yeah its retarted, your doing it for the girls 100% not becuase of your faith.
I'm calling you on this. Are you saying most koreans go to korean churches because of their faith? It's not like there's a lack of non-korean churches (a sort of unrelated point). I will assert koreans go to korean churches 80% because it's peer related, and originally because it's the only natural setting where groups of koreans could congregate in the western world. I also think both are perfectly valid reasons to go; I have an issue with people pretending they or their reasons are better than other people('s).
I would argue that you mean not because your korean and everyone else is doing it, i.e. you're not one of us.
That being said, the only reasons I can think of a non-korean going to a korean church is a mystifying lack of other churches, his friends/girlfriend are/is korean, or he has a predilection for korean culture.
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you forgot to also list that the parents force them most of the time
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On August 17 2009 10:12 SanguineToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 10:11 Wotans_Fire wrote:
So wait you're in america going to a korean church getting like sermons in Korean ? I mean I prefer the korean commentators on the vods but I think you're going to far. yeah its retarted, your doing it for the girls 100% not becuase of your faith.
Its all good, i started out going to church for girls too..... but that was when i was in my teens. now i am a devoted christian and glad i even went to church last time. ahhhh, the good old daysss~~~
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On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post.
Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much?
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On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much?
hes just mad that the op may not be in it for the church itself. He is just stating that he could as well went to english church but instead is choosing to go to korean church instead. The reason hes really mad is cause he didnt try to learn korean before so going to church with the korean language at hand doesnt really benefit him at all. But now he is trying to learn the language and maybe going to that church to help him improve it! BUUUT hes still mad cause the initial going to church thing makes it seem fishyyyyy
but its whatever to me
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On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much?
Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well.
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konadora
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It's going to be hard and will require months of dedication to study it.
If you're still willing to go that far, then yes.
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So far learning Korean has seemed fairly easy - then again I'm living in Korea (also I'm slacking on the whole working on it thing. So I'm more speculating that it's not that hard, as my miserable level of commitment has enabled some sort of decent progress maybe.).
I like how people are trashing the OP for not replying after a grand total of (OMG!) 14 hours. Real classy.
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Haha, how weird. Today, I met a Korean girl who doesn't believe in Christianity at all and goes to church purely to meet boys. So.. there..
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On August 17 2009 23:22 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well.
So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo.
You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell.
You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church?
You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there.
You're a terrible human being.
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lol pann does have a point
=D this is going too far btw
just let him do what he wants church should be like a mixed pot of goodies anyways
I was just reminded of something
I go to vietnamese mass at my church and sometimes people bring their friends whom are not vietnamese
the only thing we tend to think is that they must be a friend of someone else, not because they are there to look for girls or whatever. If we see them come more and more they begin to talk about desiring to learn the language which is what the OP is doing afterall
plus in his original blog didnt he say his friend brought him there? so i can kinda see both sides of it but more leaning towards him being innocent now that i think aboot it
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On August 17 2009 11:40 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 11:32 AzureEye wrote:
So in short, if you are Korean, you should be able to pick up Japanese easier but Chinese less easier. If you are American, you should be able to pick up Chinese easier but Korean and Japanese will be harder Yup, I heard this as well.
Dilemma!
I like when I watch anime and I recognize some words cause they're the same or recognizably similar to their Korean counterpart.
Also, audio cds and lessons are crap. Just learn basic stuff like hello and easy words like table, chair and stuff and try to use as much Korean as you can. You'll have to use a lot of words from English in the beginning and people might laugh at you for your pronunciation, but that's to be expected. It'll take years but you could become pretty good if you keep at it.
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On August 18 2009 05:12 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 23:22 AzureEye wrote:On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well. So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo. You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell. You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church? You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there. You're a terrible human being.
Why are you raging at me? Are you the OP or doing the same thing? All this emotion you're putting into your post, you sound like he made a second account. Anyway the reason why he shouldn't do this isn't because he can find other Christians in other areas, thats off the main point. It's because he's pretending to be religious, using Christ's name as an excuse to fulfill his selfish sinful desires. Some of us take religion more seriously than others, but I'm not saying I'm a good Christian. Actually, my post few pages back exactly stated that I was a half-assed Christian myself, so you can keep shut your yaps about me being stereotypical or whatnot. Yes Im a terrible Christian but I always try to progress.
Places have their function and many people like to keep it that way; I don't give a shit if he goes to a bar to pick up chicks; just don't be a douchebag, pretend your a believer, and go pick up chicks at church, thats just simply wrong. For example, would you go to a funeral and start drinking and partying there? No, you don't do that shit in a funeral, and the same logic applies for church
EDIT: I really hope you take time to reflect on the words you wrote; I'm a terrible human being but I actually admit I am one and don't resort to name-calling. Grow the fuck up. Please.
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Well as a youth leader/God-willing Pastor in training...
1) I hope your not going to a korean church for women or even just because you play a lot of starcraft and you think it might be cool to go to a church where koreans are.
If your sacrificing spiritual growth and true teaching, so you can sit in a meeting where korean people are then you need to repent of that path and get back into a church where you have the gospel preached and where you can give your gifts to serve to build up the body of Christ and bear fruit (love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, faithfulness, self-control) for the glory of the Father.
If this has been your motive all along and your really not in church for Christ, maybe you need to "examine yourself" as Paul said to believers, to see wether you be in the faith. Do you hate sin and love the Lord and has your personality and lifestyle radically changed since the first time you put your faith in Jesus and turn from sin?
Make sure your not sucked into some lie where you said the "sinners prayer" or was raised in a Christian family yet you've never experienced being born-again - without which no one will be saved.
"repent and believe the gospel" - Jesus
not
say this prayer and ask Jesus to come into your heart.
2) If you are a born-again Christian and you have that holiness and are growing in that holiness which started as a result of trusting Jesus and turning from your sin the first time, and your looking perhaps for a bride in that korean church, then I think that is OK. It's acceptable for a time, for Christians to go - even sometimes to bible college and seminary, to find a Christian wife, as we are to "marry, yet only in the Lord" and not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
Take Care, God bless.
In Christ.
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On August 18 2009 10:20 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2009 05:12 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 23:22 AzureEye wrote:On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well. So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo. You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell. You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church? You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there. You're a terrible human being. Why are you raging at me? Are you the OP or doing the same thing? All this emotion you're putting into your post, you sound like he made a second account. Anyway the reason why he shouldn't do this isn't because he can find other Christians in other areas, thats off the main point. It's because he's pretending to be religious, using Christ's name as an excuse to fulfill his selfish sinful desires. Some of us take religion more seriously than others, but I'm not saying I'm a good Christian. Actually, my post few pages back exactly stated that I was a half-assed Christian myself, so you can keep shut your yaps about me being stereotypical or whatnot. Yes Im a terrible Christian but I always try to progress. Places have their function and many people like to keep it that way; I don't give a shit if he goes to a bar to pick up chicks; just don't be a douchebag, pretend your a believer, and go pick up chicks at church, thats just simply wrong. For example, would you go to a funeral and start drinking and partying there? No, you don't do that shit in a funeral, and the same logic applies for church EDIT: I really hope you take time to reflect on the words you wrote; I'm a terrible human being but I actually admit I am one and don't resort to name-calling. Grow the fuck up. Please.
1.) Wanting to find a girl that shares his religious views is not the same as drinking and partying at a funeral.
2.) I'm not raging, I just find christians that say things such as "I hope you go to hell", hilarious and hypocritical.
3.) He never was pretending to be religious.
4.) You admitting you're a bad christian, doesn't change the fact that you're a bad christian.
5.) I consider "you're a terrible human being" more of a description, rather than name calling.
6.) The idea you have in your head that someone would want to learn an entire language just for women at a korean church amuses me, and makes me believe you read too many dramas.
7.) You being a "half-assed" christian is what I was talking about when you acted like a "stereotypical christian", so thanks for proving my point.
I'm really not mad Azure, I just found it to be amusing that people jumped on him and started attacking him about women, when there was no basis for it. No woman was brought up, this is all hypothetical.
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Nope, it is strange that you would go to a church for a sermon you can't understand at all.
And from the OP's post you can tell he's very conscious of his 'social status' in his Church's inner group of friends, so going there for girls is not that far fetched.
Anyway, it is hypothetical.
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Learning a new language is never a bad thing =) Go for it if you have the time and the passion. I'm saying passion because it's REALLY tough to pick up a whole new language if you don't passionate about it. I kind of experience it first hand when my parents asked me to do Japanese and Mandarin back in high school. I only managed to do a couple of classes and then ended up spending my time at my friend's place playing CS:S and PES lol
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On August 18 2009 10:51 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2009 10:20 AzureEye wrote:On August 18 2009 05:12 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 23:22 AzureEye wrote:On August 17 2009 15:59 PanN wrote:On August 17 2009 12:59 SanguineToss wrote:On August 17 2009 12:54 TommyGG wrote:
going after korean chicks is a perfectly legitimate reason for learning the language. fuck i did the same thing just with chinese instead haha. Yeah theres nothing wrong, but to have that intention in a church? Please read the thread before you post. Whats wrong with picking up girls in a church? Wouldn't that be the best place to pick up girls if they're apart of your religion? Logic much? Because church is somewhere you go to practice your faith, not a pick up place. Yes it would be nice if you find girls same religion as you but there are plenty of other places than that. The fact that go to a church where you can't understand their sermon signifies the fact that you're not going to the church for the message, but to just meet girls. The last Korean church I went to, I saw the Korean pastor kick out this black guy from the church because his intention to go to church was clear that he just wanted to meet the girls. It was a good sight, and I hope it happens in this situation as well. So, because he can find women of his religion at other places, he shouldn't even attempt it at the place where he goes to church? Thats fucking cuckoo. You also hope he gets kicked from church? If anything, as a Christian, you should be trying to help him right? Instead you're being the stereo-typical Christian and saying you hope he goes to hell. You also say there are "plenty of other places than that", well asshole, what if he wants to pick up a girl at his local church? You would think if your religion designates a places of eternal pain and suffering, you would try to help him, instead, you hope he goes there. You're a terrible human being. Why are you raging at me? Are you the OP or doing the same thing? All this emotion you're putting into your post, you sound like he made a second account. Anyway the reason why he shouldn't do this isn't because he can find other Christians in other areas, thats off the main point. It's because he's pretending to be religious, using Christ's name as an excuse to fulfill his selfish sinful desires. Some of us take religion more seriously than others, but I'm not saying I'm a good Christian. Actually, my post few pages back exactly stated that I was a half-assed Christian myself, so you can keep shut your yaps about me being stereotypical or whatnot. Yes Im a terrible Christian but I always try to progress. Places have their function and many people like to keep it that way; I don't give a shit if he goes to a bar to pick up chicks; just don't be a douchebag, pretend your a believer, and go pick up chicks at church, thats just simply wrong. For example, would you go to a funeral and start drinking and partying there? No, you don't do that shit in a funeral, and the same logic applies for church EDIT: I really hope you take time to reflect on the words you wrote; I'm a terrible human being but I actually admit I am one and don't resort to name-calling. Grow the fuck up. Please. 1.) Wanting to find a girl that shares his religious views is not the same as drinking and partying at a funeral. 2.) I'm not raging, I just find christians that say things such as "I hope you go to hell", hilarious and hypocritical. 3.) He never was pretending to be religious. 4.) You admitting you're a bad christian, doesn't change the fact that you're a bad christian. 5.) I consider "you're a terrible human being" more of a description, rather than name calling. 6.) The idea you have in your head that someone would want to learn an entire language just for women at a korean church amuses me, and makes me believe you read too many dramas. 7.) You being a "half-assed" christian is what I was talking about when you acted like a "stereotypical christian", so thanks for proving my point. I'm really not mad Azure, I just found it to be amusing that people jumped on him and started attacking him about women, when there was no basis for it. No woman was brought up, this is all hypothetical.
1) Wanting to go to find a girl that shares his religious views is fine but doing that at a church where you're suppose to focus on your beliefs is doing it in a situation/location where you shouldn't just like drinking/partying at a funeral.
2) If you don't call that rage, I don't know what else to call it. Butt-hurt? E-raged? Yes I say harsh things but suck it up
3) Thats exactly why people are bashing on him for not going to church for the right reasons
4) Yeah I'm a bad Christian, your point?
5) I consider "asshole" name calling
6) Then you must not have come to the real world where desperate guys actually do that and even 2 posters on this very thread has admitted to it
7) So if I'm half-assed Christian which means I'm being stereotypical, you label every Christian as half-assed? Your logic fails.
I'm glad you're not mad, I have better things to do than piss off random angry guys across the world. While I agree that its all hypothetical, when there are sufficient clues needed to make a good deduction, its not far-fetched to do so. Just link the clues together and use common sense. This guy summed it up quite nicely:
On August 18 2009 11:26 Zidane wrote:
Nope, it is strange that you would go to a church for a sermon you can't understand at all.
And from the OP's post you can tell he's very conscious of his 'social status' in his Church's inner group of friends, so going there for girls is not that far fetched.
Anyway, it is hypothetical.
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Haha, do you know how many people met their spouse at church? Go ask any old couple, there's prolly like a %75 chance they met at some kind of religious function.
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Actually azure is being the exact opposite of a hypocrite when he says he's a "half-**** Christian".
All Christians are in fact. Have you read the bible, do you know what Jesus was like? Perfect? Sinless? full of love, grace and truth? To say your a follower of Christ and then claim to be doing a great job at it, I mean that would be what you call a hypocrite.
Also I don't blame secularists from getting angry here, I mean you cannot understand the reasoning of a Christian. You have an absolutely foreign worldview. So it's really pointless arguing over whether it's ok for this guy to go to church to solely meet a girl, as in the context of a Christian vs Secularist because there will never be an agreement unless the secularist decided to tried to imagine themselves as a Christian for a moment and thought through this situation in their mind.
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you know, the OP has never said that the sermons were given out in solely korean. all he has said were that the people, when conversing amongst themselves, spoke mostly korean. not the sermons.
and for all we know, the reason he goes to a korean church rather than a non-korean church could just be that he likes it better there. maybe the sermons are better. or maybe, as he has said, the people there are nice, despite the fact that he couldn't understand them.
all this judging really is kinda unwarranted.
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Hey All,
Sorry I (the OP) haven't been around for two and half days or so. As unlikely as it seems my computer has been down. And it was just 20 or so minutes ago before I was able to come back online.
I didn't expect this blog to generated so much heat and debate.. I was still named it was hot thread. I was merely expecting an answered poll maybe with about eight votes yes and around five no. With some various reasons/experiences of some of the TLers who have dabbled in Korean or know it either as first or second language.
As I read through the entire thread I see much of it is focused around wether or not I'm a devout christian or wether I'm their get to get some ass. The devout christian thing I can understand it strikes even me as odd to hear white boy attending Korean church? I'm not exactly sure where the meeting Korean girls thing came from.
Anyways.. please allow me to explain myself.
Although it is Korean church the pastor is a black male who served in Korea where married his Korean wife before moving back to the US to become a pastor. I imagine it was his wife whom influenced him into preached at Korean churches.
Although my pastor knows a bit of Korean as he served in Korea and has taken Korean language classes he is not very proficient at it.
A point wondered about by a few in this thread.. are the sermons in English or Korean? ALL sermons are in English even if there is guest Korean pastor. I know this makes little sense and a fair few of the churchgoers cannot understand english very well.
Also as someone who I presume read another of my earlier threads recalled.. a male korean schoolmate of mine is the one who brought me into the church. Everyone is fine with me and I'll repeat all Koreans seem very friendly if they are warm to my coming to their church regularly they hide it very very well. The pastor is fine with me and his Korean wife adores me calling me her son. even going as far to invite me to their household a few times for lunch or dinner.
This whole.. the OP only wants to go to meet some Korean girls? I've been attending this church for over 4 months now. If that was my intention I would have been learning Korean then. I have nothing against Korean girls.. there are two Korean females infact that I find very attractive. Both of whom can speak English perfectly fine or very near it.. no need to even learn Korean to attempt to impress/get with them. I have a girlfriend right whom I did nto meet at a church (or funeral), now who is white and infact makes fun of my going to Korean church and starcraft geekiness. Point being.. no I did not go to Korean for girls and I am not interested in learning a foreign language to impress some girls.
The following is an unedited e-mail I wrote to my girlfriend shortly before posting this blog here on TL that gives a good summary of my thought on learning Korean at the time.
Baby,
I hope your not doing bad.. and in a better condition.
I miss you lots <3
Today i went to church [korean] hahaha it was very nice. I have a lady there who is the pastors wife and she tells everyone im her favorite and people are like thats not fair he's white! and your not suppose to have favorites lol. She makes me sit by her and tells me if i dont come to church on sunday she'll come to my house and chop my balls off.. nice place eh?
It's kinda weird cuz at the church It's hard to remeber everyones name even though i've been there like awhile.. some of them look very similar. Its rare if i can gets someone name right or even come very close at all.. unless its an english name like david or peter or joseph then i can remeber it instantly and even their face. kinda odd
Its nice because many of the koreans are very friendly.. i dont know if its because im white or koreans are just very nice people in general. I wish i knew more korean cuz then i could hear and understand what they say when they speak to each other. There's 3 girls.. who were nice but ever since i messed up a duet with one of the girls all 3 dislike me lol but they are the only ones that i know of.
I don't really have a group/cliche int he church though although many are nice no one seems to really want to invite into a good friend zone. There are many moments where i am left by myself all alone. Again im not sure if its because of the whole thing or just because if their not talking to me all talk is done in korean.
I can imagine meeting a say spanish guy or something that knew no english and it would be hard to get him in a group or be friend if he couldnt commhunicate very well to the people that only knew english.
Today I met a korean boy who is 18.. apparently i meet him months ago but i did not remeber him. He is very cool he puts Zoe Reynolds Fool to shame. He has really nice hair coupled with a very handsome asian style.. i mean if i were gay I'd tap dat. lol he'd make a perfect wingman!
He was very friendly and has only been int he USA for 2 years but his english was pretty decent and he was telling me how old he was what school he goes to and such. It was very sad because even though he is 18 he is only a junior do to failing classes because he cannot understand english. That happened to my korean friend Davin as well.
Anyways he was very nice and gave me a ride home after a 3 hour soccer game my team completely owned like 40-3 haha stunk because my new friend was on the other team. It was kinda weird because i didnt want to be rude and ask his name because theres no way i could know it. But I didnt want to ask.. I figure I'll ask someone else or when someone says it I'll hopefully realize it.
I hope our friend ship will last more than one day. He was very nice and i think we would be good friends. I hope the language barrier is not to much. I really thinking about taking up some korean. I think It would help me get to know many of them better. But its a very hard and complicated language and such things take months if not years.
What do you think?
so that was my day so far anyways.. my brother and his fiancee are coming over to play a few games later today. Might be fun.
I hope you get alot better very soon!
I love you <33
So anyways.. my point in general is I wanted to learn Korean. Because even tough the Koreans were friendly towards me it was hard to communicate with veer well.. and people get tired of translating for me. So if I knew the language it would be much much easier. Although I reference done particular boy in the letter i wrote. I have many Korean friends and it's not just him.. he was one fellow I happened to meet that day and gave me a ride and I thought how great it would be to befriend him.
That is the main reason i made this blog. Just to learn Korean to communicate better with these people i see x3 times a week now. Not because of girls nor because starcraft = Korea.
Although admittedly when I first joined I had one or two thought of Korean church = lots of starcraft players. The reality is although many of them are aware of starcraft few to none follow the scene.. and i have not gamed anyone from the church at all.. except Peter whom again is the one who brought me there. The sport they care about is soccer. Which is fine with me, I play with them from time to time like 2 days ago when i wrote this blog after playing a soccer match and meeting a new friend (the korean boy)
Thank you to all who have voted so far in my poll. I'm pleased to see that YES is winning. Korean is something I look forward to studying
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