• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:26
CEST 01:26
KST 08:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.161Rollback Netcode in Brood War845.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202623Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BW General Discussion BSL23 Confirmations Starts on New BSL Portal ASL FINALS HYPE VIDEO 2X
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B ASL 22 Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12440 users

[Poem] Windowpane

Blogs > NeVeR
Post a Reply
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-03 20:59:28
August 03 2009 20:49 GMT
#1
So last week I was somehow inspired to write a poem one morning, and thought I would share it. It's called "Windowpane". I was feeling a bit down at the time, so it's a little dark, but looking back on it, I think it's the best poem I've written. ^^ Feel free to voice your comments/criticism. Here it is:



As twilight fades to morning rain
The dim light enters through the windowpane
Wherein one sits in silence dreaming
Of the life that he had stopped believing

Windowpane, around the heart
Dreams so kind, thoughts so dark
Words so true and everlasting
One takes to the book, another to fasting

And with notice to the events of past
The old ones die, the young ones laugh
Until the days of trial and drudgery
Where they lose faith in a life of luxury

And through their windowpane they see
As life's comedy turns to tragedy
The helpless figures who wander aimlessly
In their life-long search for a place to be

It requires an ability to distance oneself
From life, from love, from heaven and earth
To attain to freedom in solitary disdain
For the world that scurries beyond the windowpane

Windowpane, do you not show us
The way in which we ought to look?
The path on which we long to follow?
The things whose substance is not hollow?

We long to live, we long to dream
For they are the same, so it seems
And yet they often go amiss
As they appear a cheat, a broken promise

And so as one sits in silence dreaming
Of the life that he had stopped believing
He cannot help but feel the same
As he pulls the curtain over the windowpane

*****
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 03 2009 21:09 GMT
#2
5
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
August 03 2009 21:13 GMT
#3
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
August 03 2009 21:26 GMT
#4
Hah, I couldn't understand any of the lyrics, but I actually like the song. Thanks for posting it.
Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
August 03 2009 21:49 GMT
#5
Wow this is quite beautiful
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
August 03 2009 22:34 GMT
#6
As Joyce would say, lyrical prose. Good, in the sense that it has overall theme and some direction. Poor, in the sense that it offers no ways to getting to the poem's ideals, or in identifying the crux of the state.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
August 03 2009 22:39 GMT
#7
I have no idea what is going on because I'm an uncultured lout most likely. Please explain, thank you
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-03 22:57:18
August 03 2009 22:52 GMT
#8
Thanks to all who commented so far.

On August 04 2009 07:34 Oxygen wrote:
it offers no ways to getting to the poem's ideals, or in identifying the crux of the state.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. Is Joyce saying that a poem should have some sort ideal vision? I think my poem is more about describing a state of mind than anything ideological or visionary. But maybe I'm misinterpreting what you wrote.

On August 04 2009 07:39 Xusneb wrote:
I have no idea what is going on because I'm an uncultured lout most likely. Please explain, thank you


It's likely that you simply don't relate to it well, and probably because it's too vague. Though if it were easy to explain, I wouldn't have written it as a poem.
[ZiNC]Ling
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States69 Posts
August 04 2009 00:21 GMT
#9
Some praise, and some criticism, in no particular order:

I get a definite feeling from reading this poem although it's hard to describe - it feels dark, detached, lonely, wandering, doubting, etc. The main thought it brings to mind is that I'm sitting in an otherwise deserted coffee shop, right next to the window, watching lots of people walking down the busy street doing whatever they do, feeling that all life is a bit shallow, and looking for reasons I keep participating in it anyways, and a little of the cold air is seeping through the window next to me. Why this thought I really have no idea since I have never sat in a coffee shop while it rained and watched people walking about, but rather it came from the sum of emotions contained in the poem.

I like a lot of your word choices throughout the poem: life, dreams, belief - maybe vague and simple words but they are very human concepts, and most readers would find something to related to them. I also like the windowpane theme, since it's both an actual, physical windowpane (with rain outside it and a curtain), and a symbol, showing a sort of distant view on life from which you can observe but not act through the pane of glass. I think starting the poem by introducing the image of the window, and ending it with closing the curtain, is excellent. On the other hand I think you may have mentioned it too much, the window pane is in almost every stanza, and the title, you could remove some and the reader would still get the point about the window.

The poem also seems to wander a bit much - I feel that it starts in a particular place, and ends in a particular place, and tries to go everywhere in the middle. This may be just a style difference between you and me, but personally I would like it more if there were a stronger sense of progression throughout. I find myself much more appreciative of the beginning and end rather than the middle. This also may be due to the particular word selection; I would hazard a guess that somewhere in the middle the rhyme scheme began to restrict your writing, instead of enhancing it. Some of the lines feel like they got shoehorned in based on a rhyme, not based on the meaning. "And with notice to the events of past" and "He cannot help but feel the same" stand out in particular as words that don't seem to add to the meaning. There are also some non rhymes that screw with the flow of the poem, such as past/laugh, us/look, amiss/promise (different emphasis in the latter). Perhaps you should try writing free verse (no meter/rhyme), or if you feel that the poem needs rhyme, try a rhyming dictionary and a thesaurus and really try to make the words fit your meaning, don't let your meaning get pushed around to fit the poem structure.

My final complaint is that you used the word "luxury", and it happens to land right next to the "broodwar" tab on the sidebar, and at that point in the poem I got totally distracted thinking of Luxury and whether he really deserved to win that MSL and why the hell KT changed their name to FingerBoom and such things. You could interpret this as either that your poem moves too slowly and readers get distracted, or it was foolish to post such an emotional work on TeamLiquid, or that Ling is too easily distractable while on summer break.

Feel free to respond to any of my comments, or disregard them, they're just the thoughts of an amateur poet. Also, Joyce was a pretentious ass and would have called all modern poetry "lyrical prose." A poem is what you make it, not what any particular dead guy says it is. Good work, good luck, and keep writing.
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2197 Posts
August 04 2009 01:53 GMT
#10
Overall, I think you did a really wonderful job with this poem. The images and ideas all contributed to, as you put it, a certain darkness, but a certain kind of dreaminess as well - or is it an absence of dreams? The central motif of the windowpane is very intriguing in all the roles and meanings it implicitly takes on - is it something that allows a "dim light" of hope and dreams? Is it a window into truth and disillusionment with all those hopes and dreams? Is the world beyond the windowpane simply aimless wandering and deferred dreams, or is it really a place of substance and purpose?

Now that I try to parse the poem apart more, the complexity of the image really hits me (just like how good poetry should! yayyy). Windows are symbols usually associated with dreaming, of aspiring for something beyond your own limitations - and yet windowpanes can also be spectacles or viewing glasses to see how impossible or meaningless those dreams are (For some reason, our windowpane reminds me a bit of Gulliver's Travels and Gulliver's pocket full of of spectacles and telescopes).

You also seem to capture this sense of duality, this sense of everything being double-sided - with dreams and broken promises being one and the same. Similarly, it's very interesting to consider that the windowpane is double-sided as well (there are, after all, two sides to a window). What does it mean to be on the inside, looking out, and to be on the outside, living? Choosing a windowpane as your central focus was probably your subconscious poet being clever with potential interpretations.

So uh, I didn't mean to actually offer my own interpretation of the poem, but the message you've offered allows for a lot of analysis. Lots to work with and chew on. That being said, I think that even though there's so much substance and wonderful meaning to your poem, you need to polish and re-polish and re-polish again. Since you chose to follow a more structured poem with rhyme and meter, you have to be very careful with words and fit as much meaning into them as possible.

As twilight fades to morning rain
The dim light enters through the windowpane
Wherein one sits in silence dreaming
Of the life that he had stopped believing


This stanza, for example, does very well with the first 3 lines. I really liked the line "wherein one sits in silence dreaming," probably because it's iambic. However, the last line seems a bit clunky - "that he had" just offers a lot of physical resistance to the poem and also messes up the meter a bit. Similarly, your second stanza is all iambs, but then the last line turns into a muddled mess. This might be on purpose, but if it's a matter of forcing rhyme, you might want to reconsider how you phrase those lines.

Since you have to follow a certain structure, be really careful about making every word count. I think it's just a matter of revising and revising and exploring every possible meaning of the images you've presented. All in all, very nicely done.
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
August 04 2009 02:04 GMT
#11
Wow, thanks for the awesome reply! It was interesting to read about how you envisioned the character in the poem. And you're right: the rhyme scheme certainly does restrict my writing. Usually I do write in free-verse. This is actually one of the very few poems where I tried to stick with a rhyme scheme, and it's pretty difficult for me. Also, your comment about it having a weak sense of progression is very true, haha. I feel that this is its biggest problem, and may once again be partly due to the fact that I'm concentrating too much on rhyming. I also agree with your comment about using the word "windowpane" too often.

Some of the lines feel like they got shoehorned in based on a rhyme, not based on the meaning. "And with notice to the events of past" and "He cannot help but feel the same" stand out in particular as words that don't seem to add to the meaning.


I agree with you about the first line you mentioned ("And with notice to the events of past"), but as for the latter, I think that it's actually an important line in the poem. The character I refer to in the poem has sort of mixed feelings. On the one hand, he feels content with the way he sees the world, content with being alone and perhaps even proud of it. Still, there is another side to him that desires a change of perspective, a change of opinion. After much reflecting, however, he is unable to stir any change within him. This is the intended meaning of the line, though the poem may be too vague for anyone to pick up on it.

My final complaint is that you used the word "luxury", and it happens to land right next to the "broodwar" tab on the sidebar, and at that point in the poem I got totally distracted thinking of Luxury and whether he really deserved to win that MSL and why the hell KT changed their name to FingerBoom and such things. You could interpret this as either that your poem moves too slowly and readers get distracted, or it was foolish to post such an emotional work on TeamLiquid, or that Ling is too easily distractable while on summer break.


Probably all three, LoL.
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
August 04 2009 02:08 GMT
#12
On August 04 2009 10:53 hazelynut wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Overall, I think you did a really wonderful job with this poem. The images and ideas all contributed to, as you put it, a certain darkness, but a certain kind of dreaminess as well - or is it an absence of dreams? The central motif of the windowpane is very intriguing in all the roles and meanings it implicitly takes on - is it something that allows a "dim light" of hope and dreams? Is it a window into truth and disillusionment with all those hopes and dreams? Is the world beyond the windowpane simply aimless wandering and deferred dreams, or is it really a place of substance and purpose?

Now that I try to parse the poem apart more, the complexity of the image really hits me (just like how good poetry should! yayyy). Windows are symbols usually associated with dreaming, of aspiring for something beyond your own limitations - and yet windowpanes can also be spectacles or viewing glasses to see how impossible or meaningless those dreams are (For some reason, our windowpane reminds me a bit of Gulliver's Travels and Gulliver's pocket full of of spectacles and telescopes).

You also seem to capture this sense of duality, this sense of everything being double-sided - with dreams and broken promises being one and the same. Similarly, it's very interesting to consider that the windowpane is double-sided as well (there are, after all, two sides to a window). What does it mean to be on the inside, looking out, and to be on the outside, living? Choosing a windowpane as your central focus was probably your subconscious poet being clever with potential interpretations.

So uh, I didn't mean to actually offer my own interpretation of the poem, but the message you've offered allows for a lot of analysis. Lots to work with and chew on. That being said, I think that even though there's so much substance and wonderful meaning to your poem, you need to polish and re-polish and re-polish again. Since you chose to follow a more structured poem with rhyme and meter, you have to be very careful with words and fit as much meaning into them as possible.

As twilight fades to morning rain
The dim light enters through the windowpane
Wherein one sits in silence dreaming
Of the life that he had stopped believing


This stanza, for example, does very well with the first 3 lines. I really liked the line "wherein one sits in silence dreaming," probably because it's iambic. However, the last line seems a bit clunky - "that he had" just offers a lot of physical resistance to the poem and also messes up the meter a bit. Similarly, your second stanza is all iambs, but then the last line turns into a muddled mess. This might be on purpose, but if it's a matter of forcing rhyme, you might want to reconsider how you phrase those lines.

Since you have to follow a certain structure, be really careful about making every word count. I think it's just a matter of revising and revising and exploring every possible meaning of the images you've presented. All in all, very nicely done.


omg I just noticed this. Thanks for the reply. I have to get ready to out for the night, but will certainly respond tomorrow!
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 23:16:56
August 04 2009 23:07 GMT
#13
On August 04 2009 10:53 hazelynut wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Overall, I think you did a really wonderful job with this poem. The images and ideas all contributed to, as you put it, a certain darkness, but a certain kind of dreaminess as well - or is it an absence of dreams? The central motif of the windowpane is very intriguing in all the roles and meanings it implicitly takes on - is it something that allows a "dim light" of hope and dreams? Is it a window into truth and disillusionment with all those hopes and dreams? Is the world beyond the windowpane simply aimless wandering and deferred dreams, or is it really a place of substance and purpose?

Now that I try to parse the poem apart more, the complexity of the image really hits me (just like how good poetry should! yayyy). Windows are symbols usually associated with dreaming, of aspiring for something beyond your own limitations - and yet windowpanes can also be spectacles or viewing glasses to see how impossible or meaningless those dreams are (For some reason, our windowpane reminds me a bit of Gulliver's Travels and Gulliver's pocket full of of spectacles and telescopes).

You also seem to capture this sense of duality, this sense of everything being double-sided - with dreams and broken promises being one and the same. Similarly, it's very interesting to consider that the windowpane is double-sided as well (there are, after all, two sides to a window). What does it mean to be on the inside, looking out, and to be on the outside, living? Choosing a windowpane as your central focus was probably your subconscious poet being clever with potential interpretations.

So uh, I didn't mean to actually offer my own interpretation of the poem, but the message you've offered allows for a lot of analysis. Lots to work with and chew on. That being said, I think that even though there's so much substance and wonderful meaning to your poem, you need to polish and re-polish and re-polish again. Since you chose to follow a more structured poem with rhyme and meter, you have to be very careful with words and fit as much meaning into them as possible.

As twilight fades to morning rain
The dim light enters through the windowpane
Wherein one sits in silence dreaming
Of the life that he had stopped believing


This stanza, for example, does very well with the first 3 lines. I really liked the line "wherein one sits in silence dreaming," probably because it's iambic. However, the last line seems a bit clunky - "that he had" just offers a lot of physical resistance to the poem and also messes up the meter a bit. Similarly, your second stanza is all iambs, but then the last line turns into a muddled mess. This might be on purpose, but if it's a matter of forcing rhyme, you might want to reconsider how you phrase those lines.

Since you have to follow a certain structure, be really careful about making every word count. I think it's just a matter of revising and revising and exploring every possible meaning of the images you've presented. All in all, very nicely done.


Wow, I really like your analysis. You make my writing seem deeper than I actually intended it to be. For me, the windowpane is mainly a symbol of dispassionate detachment from life, and perhaps also doubtfulness about its purpose; though like you said, it also represents a sense of dream-like hope. And you're right, my rhyming is rather off here and there. I find it very difficult to have a consistent meter with perfect rhyming. Will have to work on that.

Thanks for your detailed analysis, it was very interesting to read.
VarmVaffel
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway378 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 02:34:52
August 04 2009 23:51 GMT
#14
On August 04 2009 06:13 minus_human wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UxS6r49OlY

Epic win, this made me download their dvd.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE194
ProTech142
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 630
Dewaltoss 73
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1271
minikerr18
Super Smash Bros
PPMD61
AZ_Axe17
Other Games
summit1g5416
shahzam541
Day[9].tv372
PiGStarcraft336
ToD237
C9.Mang0215
Livibee151
JuggernautJason22
ROOTCatZ20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick673
StarCraft 2
BasetradeTV190
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 45
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 18
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2800
Other Games
• imaqtpie1008
• Shiphtur604
• Scarra391
• Day9tv372
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
1h 5m
Kung Fu Cup
11h 35m
The PondCast
1d 10h
Online Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.