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Begin rant:
You know, the more I research and read up on the Gates scandal, the more outwardly disgusted and shamed I am by the retarded actions of Gates and Obama. Gates was an immature twit with too big of a head and a sense of "entitlement as Dr. Harvard professor" to notice that you're supposed to comply with police and Obama is even more of a dumbass to act as judge and jury. What's this world coming to?
In my opinion it's CLEAR who had race in mind, from the moment that innocent officer stepped onto that retard's front porch.
What do you think of this?
Obviously this is something that would get me shot in public but: Don't you think Black people play the race card too much?
I do clearly remember one time in when I was working at EMS where we went to a black man that was drunk and he wanted transport to the Emergency Room (mostly because otherwise I think the cops would've taken him in for loitering in the middle of the street). As soon as he got in and the wheels started rolling he demanded that he be taken to his house. I told him we can only go from the scene to the ER. That son of a bitch starts with "Well, your forefathers enslaved my people. Let my people go. You people are oppressin' my people" all the while pointing at me accusingly.
I do distinctly remember looking at him and saying (verbatim - I'm Korean by the way) "Are you fucking retarded? The race card doesn't work on me" It sickens me to see other minorities working hard to pull themselves up from their situations while the supposed "representatives" of Black community and their interests (NAACP, Rev Jackson) keep Blacks in misery by addicting them to a sense of entitlement.
Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks? - edit: Cunninglinguists brought up a good point on this (I'm beginning to subscribe completely to the self-selection in immigration theory).
Why is everyone afraid to bring up these questions? Aren't we supposed to be an objective and free society? What the hell's the deal with Affirmative Action? I am so fucking frustrated.
Why won't anyone actually do what will REALLY help the Black society in America?
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i bet tl.net doesn't take kindly to this
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"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history.
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If so, that just proves my point.
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your point of "other minorities working hard to pull themselves up from their situations"?
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On July 24 2009 13:31 dasanivan wrote:
"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history.
How does that actually correlate to anything? I bet your ancestors were enslaved and treated like animals at some point. I don't think this type of argument has any merit - how about the Jews being enslaved in Egypt? I don't see Egypt apologizing for that.
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On July 24 2009 13:31 dasanivan wrote:
"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history.
Well it may not have been during both America's tenure, but both Jews and many Asians have been enslaved for long periods of time in the past.
ItsYoungLee: Jews and Asians (aside from WW2) have had reasonably equal legal rights in the USA for far longer than blacks. It's not fair to simply compare how much they make or something like that.
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your "example" kinda fell a little dry when you told us the man was drunk +_+
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if i were smashed like the guy that yelled at you was, i probably would have yelled nonsensical gibberish to you too. why use him in the same argument in which you use a harvard professor and the president of the united states?
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On July 24 2009 13:34 dasanivan wrote:
your point of "other minorities working hard to pull themselves up from their situations"?
I was just referring to failsafe's claim that tl.net would not respond kindly. That would prove my point that any rational, scientific analysis of the racial situation would be shunned. I do admit that comment you quoted up there is pretty racist. I do concede that there are SO many outstanding black people (they are all around on my college campus), but it seems much to the fault of special "advocacy" organizations such as the NAACP and people like Rev. Jackson that promote the division and "sense of entitlement" that plagues progress.
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On July 24 2009 13:37 OhThatDang wrote:
your "example" kinda fell a little dry when you told us the man was drunk +_+
I think that validates my argument. When you're drunk, you lose your inhibitions. You say what comes to mind first - and obviously that's what was on his mind, and he was going to say it and think it regardless of the fact that I'm not white.
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What will REALLY help the black society in America is for them to stop thinking of themselves as a subset of black people and start thinking of themselves as individual people. It would also help if everyone else did this as well. Unfortunately since tribalism is everywhere in today's society (republicans or democrats, black or white or brown or yellow, blue-collar or white-collar, gay or straight, British or French or Korean or European or American) there is zero chance of this ever happening.
Note that I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with being part of a group, but allowing that group to define you at the expense of reason--like the black guy complaining about getting the same ambulance service as anyone else, or like an Islamic fundamentalist suicide bombing a coffee shop to kill Jews (tribe versus tribe)--is sickening.
Edit: note its impossible to even discuss topics like this without being inherently racist, as I myself did by referring to "black society in America." This world is so fucked on so many levels. Send 100 babies to the moon with robots to raise them and nuke the place.
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On July 24 2009 13:35 ItsYoungLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:31 dasanivan wrote:
"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history. How does that actually correlate to anything? I bet your ancestors were enslaved and treated like animals at some point. I don't think this type of argument has any merit - how about the Jews being enslaved in Egypt? I don't see Egypt apologizing for that.
well, my point was that if blacks had the exact same status as whites during the entirety of America's history, perhaps it wouldn't be the case that "Asians and Jews make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks."
but i don't understand your logic here. Jews living in Egypt are more economically successful than Blacks? in America?
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On July 24 2009 13:36 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:31 dasanivan wrote:
"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history. Well it may not have been during both America's tenure, but both Jews and many Asians have been enslaved for long periods of time in the past. ItsYoungLee: Jews and Asians (aside from WW2) have had reasonably equal legal rights in the USA for far longer than blacks. It's not fair to simply compare how much they make or something like that.
I see your point and I agree that of course, basing success on a single variable outcome predictor, like yearly income is faulty.
But what do you mean by "reasonably equal legal rights". Weren't Asians categorized as "colored" back before the Civil-rights movement era?
Then what factors determine success and viability as a racial group in America?
On July 24 2009 13:42 dasanivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:35 ItsYoungLee wrote:On July 24 2009 13:31 dasanivan wrote:
"Why is it that Asians and Jews (one of the most historically hated minorities) make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks?"
possibly because neither Asians nor Jews had the status of being enslaved and treated like animals for half of America's history. How does that actually correlate to anything? I bet your ancestors were enslaved and treated like animals at some point. I don't think this type of argument has any merit - how about the Jews being enslaved in Egypt? I don't see Egypt apologizing for that. well, my point was that if blacks had the exact same status as whites during the entirety of America's history, perhaps it wouldn't be the case that "Asians and Jews make more on average and are more economically successful than Blacks." but i don't understand your logic here. Jews living in Egypt are more economically successful than Blacks? in America?
Sorry, I wasn't clear here. I just meant to show that almost every racial group has had a history of being enslaved/exploited, sometime in the past.
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On July 24 2009 13:40 ItsYoungLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:37 OhThatDang wrote:
your "example" kinda fell a little dry when you told us the man was drunk +_+ I think that validates my argument. When you're drunk, you lose your inhibitions. You say what comes to mind first - and obviously that's what was on his mind, and he was going to say it and think it regardless of the fact that I'm not white.
Oh, that's convenient.
Also, you argue that the hair trigger for the race card that blacks exhibit inhibits their progress and yet you use a black Harvard professor as an example.
I think there is some merit to the idea that black culture in America fosters an anti-education, pro-NBA/rap star mentality that even Obama has acknowledged, but your rant was incoherent.
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On July 24 2009 13:38 ItsYoungLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:34 dasanivan wrote:
your point of "other minorities working hard to pull themselves up from their situations"? I was just referring to failsafe's claim that tl.net would not respond kindly. That would prove my point that any rational, scientific analysis of the racial situation would be shunned. I do admit that comment you quoted up there is pretty racist. I do concede that there are SO many outstanding black people (they are all around on my college campus), but it seems much to the fault of special "advocacy" organizations such as the NAACP and people like Rev. Jackson that promote the division and "sense of entitlement" that plagues progress.
though it's inevitable that organizations like NAACP will sometimes overreact, they do the opposite of plaguing progress.
would you rather have no immune system just because occasionally they sometimes give you painful inflammations, or even risk of death?
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Yes, the race card gets played far, far too often. It's often a one way street. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, etc. They hurt the black community so much.
We'll never have a honest debate about race in America as long as blacks call you a racist if you even dare to bring up the current state of affairs. (Out of wedlock / single mother births, crime statistics, % on entitlements, median income, drop out rates, culture, etc.)
In fact, today blacks have it better off than any other minority when it comes to preferential treatment by the government (Otherwise known as preferential discrimination or racism). Affirmative Action, Educational Pell Grants, etc.
Martin Luther Jr. King would be appalled at the state of the black community today. He wanted an America in which we were judged by our character, by the individual; Today we have it reversed. Sad, indeed.
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I don't see the analogy between japan-occupied Korea and America, which doesn't even have a single majority of any of the NIH-considered races (White, Black, Asian, Hawaiian, Alaskan native, etc...)
Having an unconditional trust in the innocence of law enforcement is silly, of course it is. But there's a difference between not having an unconditional trust and having to act disorderly.
On July 24 2009 13:45 ahole-surprise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2009 13:40 ItsYoungLee wrote:On July 24 2009 13:37 OhThatDang wrote:
your "example" kinda fell a little dry when you told us the man was drunk +_+ I think that validates my argument. When you're drunk, you lose your inhibitions. You say what comes to mind first - and obviously that's what was on his mind, and he was going to say it and think it regardless of the fact that I'm not white. Oh, that's convenient. Also, you argue that the hair trigger for the race card that blacks exhibit inhibits their progress and yet you use a black Harvard professor as an example. I think there is some merit to the idea that black culture in America fosters an anti-education, pro-NBA/rap star mentality that even Obama has acknowledged, but your rant was incoherent.
A black Harvard professor in what field of study? Think about that one. I definitely agree that any racially divisive ideology fosters the anti-education/pro-NBA/rap star mentality.
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Gates acted like a fucking idiot towards the police. I think this situation was really simple. You don't cooperate with the police ---> you get put in cuffs. It's really fucking pathetic how the professor is defending himself. How he wanted to be an intellectual martyr.
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