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I know where you got that build from ^^
And btw I'm pretty sure it's possible to do it if they're at the bottom position too.
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I got it from a random Iccup player O_o I believe it was a coincidence that this happened methinks O_O O_o O_o
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On May 25 2009 08:43 Racenilatr wrote:
I got it from a random Iccup player O_o I believe it was a coincidence that this happened methinks O_O O_o O_o
Are you 404.Evan? Because if you are I watched my friend do that to you earlier today ^^
And if you're not then you either got the build from him or someone he did it too.
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LOL Yes I am. haha I was like roflsup when he did that to me, it was so so wierd. I think this DOES have potential to be a good suprise strategy
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I was laughing so hard when I saw it lol
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LOL.
I wanna see it get done in proleague.
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You almost lost vs a D- protoss. Well done brag blog.
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404.Evan = Racenilatr k everyone? I didn't feel like typing in 404.Race so I just joined 404 as 404.Evan
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On May 25 2009 08:51 Diomedes wrote:
You almost lost vs a D- protoss. Well done brag blog.
the building placement and the strategy is what's cool. I think that if you wanted it to be good, you need to 9/9 into 1 zeal+second pylon+ maybe third pylon to make sure you can power the gates. It wouldn't work against a better player though, as they would 9/9 as well, and then as soon as they figured out that they couldn't get in, they would counter with all their probes+ zeals, possibly if they're good with a probe drill.
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lol such a sexy cheese XD
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I think I can put 2 gateways down, then stop probe production and then I can get enough money and stuff to build a second pylon to power both gateways after first two zealots start producting. Also ya its the strategy that is the shit. It just took a long long long time to learn how to use this and it was easier to do it at D level because its like playing against a computer except the computer is sort of a nooby human
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I'll spoil it for you. The correct way to do this is to send one of the starting probes out from the bottom. Place your first pylon 1 pylon size below directly to the left of his gas. Then make a gateway on 10 above the minerals, walling with them so the right side of the gateway is in line with the left side of the pylon. That'll wall above the gas so you can only get in from the right hand side. Make a zealot asap. Then run the probe in and put down the forge above the gas, walling it in completely. There should be three pylon sized gaps within this area. One to the right of the gateway, one between that and the pylon, one between that and the forge. Your gateway should be building a zealot which you will use to harass their mineral line and draw attention. As soon as you can place another pylon above the first one because they will often attack the first to get in and if they drill probes well they can get through one, but not two. Your probe should be kept on the top left corner of the gas so it can build at all three places without moving, if you move it carelessly you can get it trapped. Moment the forge is done place a cannon, if he's trying to break through the forge place it to the right of the gateway then the moment the forge dies build a new one two spaces to the left of the original with the probe. If he tries to break through the pylon then build the cannon to the left of the forge and build a pylon to the left of the cannon, walling it in and providing backup power. You can also replace the pylon to the left of the gas as he kills it if you're fast enough which is highly annoying.
That should give you instant wins up to B or so. Works for me when I get bored. If he counter attacks either cannon yourself or save up 400 then go allin and take his base. His nexus is within cannon range and he's gonna lose his gates and pylons whereas all yours are in his base, you're still ahead.
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Can you provide a replay? tbh I just watched the replay and visually memorised the buildling placement
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I still can't believe you are 404.Evan
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On May 25 2009 09:06 Resonance wrote:
I still can't believe you are 404.Evan
Whats wrong with that?
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I'm thinking that if he pulled all his probes+zealots to your base, you could immediately add forge while bringing all your zealots (except the trapped one). It'd end up being like your 1/3 zealots + warping cannons + probes vs his 3/5 zealots + probes.
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On May 25 2009 09:02 Kwark wrote:
I'll spoil it for you. The correct way to do this is to send one of the starting probes out from the bottom. Place your first pylon 1 pylon size below directly to the left of his gas. Then make a gateway on 10 above the minerals, walling with them so the right side of the gateway is in line with the left side of the pylon. That'll wall above the gas so you can only get in from the right hand side. Make a zealot asap. Then run the probe in and put down the forge above the gas, walling it in completely. There should be three pylon sized gaps within this area. One to the right of the gateway, one between that and the pylon, one between that and the forge. Your gateway should be building a zealot which you will use to harass their mineral line and draw attention. As soon as you can place another pylon above the first one because they will often attack the first to get in and if they drill probes well they can get through one, but not two. Your probe should be kept on the top left corner of the gas so it can build at all three places without moving, if you move it carelessly you can get it trapped. Moment the forge is done place a cannon, if he's trying to break through the forge place it to the right of the gateway then the moment the forge dies build a new one two spaces to the left of the original with the probe. If he tries to break through the pylon then build the cannon to the left of the forge and build a pylon to the left of the cannon, walling it in and providing backup power. You can also replace the pylon to the left of the gas as he kills it if you're fast enough which is highly annoying.
That should give you instant wins up to B or so. Works for me when I get bored. If he counter attacks either cannon yourself or save up 400 then go allin and take his base. His nexus is within cannon range and he's gonna lose his gates and pylons whereas all yours are in his base, you're still ahead.
A screenshot would help out out a lot
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That's a fun strategy kwark but maybe that's why your PvP is weak. :D
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On May 25 2009 09:18 Nytefish wrote:
That's a fun strategy kwark but maybe that's why your PvP is weak. :D
kwark is like this in every matchup
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If you can't work it out from this and the description you don't deserve the freewins.
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On May 25 2009 09:18 Nytefish wrote:
That's a fun strategy kwark but maybe that's why your PvP is weak. :D
I don't use these. I just like working them out and if there's going to be a topic on how to cheese PvP on Destination then I'm going to tell them how to do it right.
As for the suggestion that I do this every matchup, take a look at any of my PvZ wins and you'll see high level straight up play.
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Wow. Now I know where to put my 1st pylon if I'm the top position in a pvp on destination.
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hmm This might work out. I'll have to try this one too haha. I still like mine because its pure roflsup if you can pull it off correctly
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On May 25 2009 09:24 Lysdexia wrote:
Wow. Now I know where to put my 1st pylon if I'm the top position in a pvp on destination.
Blocking them from manner pyloning you. If they go 8 manner pylon successfully you're still fucked. Your first pylon is always antimanner.
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Kwark I've lost to your exact cheese build a few times. Could you tell us the most effective way to block it? Thanks!
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Put a probe in one of the positions of the gateway or forge and press S
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United States43990 Posts
8 pylon, 10 gateway, 12 forge. Remain calm. Don't scout. Keep pumping probes. Make 1 zealot to keep his zealot off your back (it won't have probe support so it's not that dangerous, it's mainly a distraction) then make a cannon asap. Yours will be done before his. If he makes 2 then you make 2. You will have a vastly superior economy and he will be losing his buildings for no gain. You can then do what you like to win. Generally 2 gateway pressure into rangegoon will do the trick.
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On May 25 2009 09:07 Racenilatr wrote:Whats wrong with that?
I TRUSTED YOU
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It's not actually a great build (though definitely better than the gateway one suggested here) because if the opponent knows exactly what they're doing and remains calm it is completely owned. It works because half the time even if they stop it they waste so much time messing around with probes trying to attack buildings or losing probes to your zealot harass that you're a mile ahead. Remain calm, keep powering that economy and just make a cannon.
But it will save you time getting to the rank where you have to start playing properly because bad players see it and either get confused or panic and by the time they work out what you've done they've lost.
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On May 25 2009 09:23 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 09:18 Nytefish wrote:
That's a fun strategy kwark but maybe that's why your PvP is weak. :D I don't use these. I just like working them out and if there's going to be a topic on how to cheese PvP on Destination then I'm going to tell them how to do it right. As for the suggestion that I do this every matchup, take a look at any of my PvZ wins and you'll see high level straight up play.
I was just teasing, nice explanation of a fun build. Do you have any other map specific cheeses, any matchup?
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Nice build and nice music. Makes me want to play Civ4 again.
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United States43990 Posts
On May 25 2009 09:36 Nytefish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 09:23 Kwark wrote:On May 25 2009 09:18 Nytefish wrote:
That's a fun strategy kwark but maybe that's why your PvP is weak. :D I don't use these. I just like working them out and if there's going to be a topic on how to cheese PvP on Destination then I'm going to tell them how to do it right. As for the suggestion that I do this every matchup, take a look at any of my PvZ wins and you'll see high level straight up play. I was just teasing, nice explanation of a fun build. Do you have any other map specific cheeses, any matchup?
Same trick on Blue Storm when you're bottom left. Gateway above the gas, forge to the right of mineral line, pylon between gas and mineral line. I had it done to me a while ago and thought it was pretty clever so I worked out how to do it on other maps.
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What if protoss makes a geyser to get in between? It is very possible, Im sure.
Also, probes can break in base gateways, I think people let them be built cuz they are at the micro advantage fighting with the probes at home, dunno...
Id have broken it with probes.
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ya I think most Protoss players are under a common misconception that they can't break through gateways, but in reality, if they start soon enough they can really force the toss to cancel the gateway. Also WHATS WRONG WITH ME BEING 404.EVAN? WHAT IF THATS NOT MEH?
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On May 25 2009 09:56 Racenilatr wrote:
ya I think most Protoss players are under a common misconception that they can't break through gateways, but in reality, if they start soon enough they can really force the toss to cancel the gateway. Also WHATS WRONG WITH ME BEING 404.EVAN? WHAT IF THATS NOT MEH?
The point is that even if you attack the gateways you still lose because of mining time. You want a way of being safe fast without using probes. When they commit allin to blocking your gateway stuff while you're building up your own economy and relying on travel time to defend you you end up ahead.
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Just thought I'd say, yes that was me  Sup Racenilatr ^^
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yea any non-retard toss will attack the gateway as soon as you build it that close. I've had this done to me so many times in so many ways that I expect it on destination now.
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On May 25 2009 10:28 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 09:56 Racenilatr wrote:
ya I think most Protoss players are under a common misconception that they can't break through gateways, but in reality, if they start soon enough they can really force the toss to cancel the gateway. Also WHATS WRONG WITH ME BEING 404.EVAN? WHAT IF THATS NOT MEH? The point is that even if you attack the gateways you still lose because of mining time. You want a way of being safe fast without using probes. When they commit allin to blocking your gateway stuff while you're building up your own economy and relying on travel time to defend you you end up ahead.
Everytime they did it to, I attacked the gateway with probes, and I won. Maybe the opponents were not strong.
What seems to have happened, is that I do get zealots much before the opponent and map control
You can harass his base so badly when your gateway is that much earlier.
He still has a pylon and gateway to go though when my zealot is already under production.
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I guess they didn't know what they were doing then. If you don't commit to the proxy gateways you can still come out ahead because of travel time and because you build a 2nd gateway swiftly in your main (on about 14 psi). You need to have a clear idea of how you're adapting from the failed proxy rather than just attempt to play it normally but it doesn't leave you behind if you do it well. Imo most players are really bad at doing anything non standard.
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On May 25 2009 09:56 Racenilatr wrote:
ya I think most Protoss players are under a common misconception that they can't break through gateways, but in reality, if they start soon enough they can really force the toss to cancel the gateway. Also WHATS WRONG WITH ME BEING 404.EVAN? WHAT IF THATS NOT MEH?
Lol there is nothing wrong with you being 404.Evan. It's just funny b/c I remember obsing you w/other 404s and you were a complete jerk + bm and I was wondering the aka. Lol now I know.
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probe jump a zealot fyi
oh, and send probes to mine geiser from bottom right of the geiser... they'll go into between they gateways so they can attack the zealot and squeeze it out.
and you can build an assimilator on the geiser which makes it take up less space, so zealots can fit through.
your opponent is a douche... but nice cheese made me smile
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On May 25 2009 11:19 Resonance wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 09:56 Racenilatr wrote:
ya I think most Protoss players are under a common misconception that they can't break through gateways, but in reality, if they start soon enough they can really force the toss to cancel the gateway. Also WHATS WRONG WITH ME BEING 404.EVAN? WHAT IF THATS NOT MEH? Lol there is nothing wrong with you being 404.Evan. It's just funny b/c I remember obsing you w/other 404s and you were a complete jerk + bm and I was wondering the aka. Lol now I know.
Mihai told me to do that so i would blend in wif crowd
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DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO ANYTHING MIHAI SAYS HOLY SHIT
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Oh gosh civilization 4 music I HATE IT
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On May 25 2009 09:08 404.Nitrogen wrote:
A LOT OF THINGS
haha i lol-ed
5/5 totally delivers best cheese ever!!
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awesome strat definitely gonna have to do that to a friend or 2 later. nice song btw Civ 3/4 w/e the real one with the song is better though with the african singers haha
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I'm dying a here. This shit is so good.
Yes, he is 404.Evan. Yes, he was BM, apparently because mihai told him to be to "fit in". In reality, that's Mihai trying to convince people to be BM so we have something entertaining to observe.
ROFL. Only listen to Mihai for game advice. Please.
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On May 25 2009 11:32 404.Nitrogen wrote:
DON'T FUCKING LISTEN TO ANYTHING MIHAI SAYS HOLY SHIT
Not true. Keep it up Evan, if your pro like me ull get strat banned for 6 months for no real reason ^^
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you got banned for a 1egit reason. haha I cant use 1 right now because I'm streaming atm
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On May 25 2009 09:21 Kwark wrote:If you can't work it out from this and the description you don't deserve the freewins.
Can't they make an assimilator and then squeeze between the gas/pylon?
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LOL that was awesome, i shall try it one day
thanks :p
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On May 25 2009 09:02 Kwark wrote:
I'll spoil it for you. The correct way to do this is to send one of the starting probes out from the bottom. Place your first pylon 1 pylon size below directly to the left of his gas. Then make a gateway on 10 above the minerals, walling with them so the right side of the gateway is in line with the left side of the pylon. That'll wall above the gas so you can only get in from the right hand side. Make a zealot asap. Then run the probe in and put down the forge above the gas, walling it in completely. There should be three pylon sized gaps within this area. One to the right of the gateway, one between that and the pylon, one between that and the forge. Your gateway should be building a zealot which you will use to harass their mineral line and draw attention. As soon as you can place another pylon above the first one because they will often attack the first to get in and if they drill probes well they can get through one, but not two. Your probe should be kept on the top left corner of the gas so it can build at all three places without moving, if you move it carelessly you can get it trapped. Moment the forge is done place a cannon, if he's trying to break through the forge place it to the right of the gateway then the moment the forge dies build a new one two spaces to the left of the original with the probe. If he tries to break through the pylon then build the cannon to the left of the forge and build a pylon to the left of the cannon, walling it in and providing backup power. You can also replace the pylon to the left of the gas as he kills it if you're fast enough which is highly annoying.
That should give you instant wins up to B or so. Works for me when I get bored. If he counter attacks either cannon yourself or save up 400 then go allin and take his base. His nexus is within cannon range and he's gonna lose his gates and pylons whereas all yours are in his base, you're still ahead.
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