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Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
May 22 2009 22:58 GMT
#81
A question I also have is have they ever formed those amino acids into proteins and then into DNA, etc.. and They havent.... anyway


DNA does not consist of aminoacids, but of a ribose-backbone (ribose = sugar) and nucleo-bases...

And Protein-Synthesis is possible nowadays...
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-22 23:47:24
May 22 2009 23:42 GMT
#82
Why can't there be a god who created evolution? Besides the common reference of the word evolution look at its easily seen use in diseases and flu virii, look at the evolution of man technologically, look at the evolution of science & math. They are constantly trying new things, and some obsolete others and we keep moving on and on.

So how is this completely absurd to think it would happen with all living things? Just because one ancient book says otherwise? Ever played the childrens' game telephone? You think that book is still gonna be accurate after 2000 years of telephone?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 23 2009 03:38 GMT
#83
A better question is, what are the specific circumstances in which would disprove evolution?
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 23 2009 04:54 GMT
#84
On May 23 2009 08:42 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Why can't there be a god who created evolution? Besides the common reference of the word evolution look at its easily seen use in diseases and flu virii, look at the evolution of man technologically, look at the evolution of science & math. They are constantly trying new things, and some obsolete others and we keep moving on and on.

So how is this completely absurd to think it would happen with all living things? Just because one ancient book says otherwise? Ever played the childrens' game telephone? You think that book is still gonna be accurate after 2000 years of telephone?
In case you didn't know, your theory have already existed for a long time. According to many people, if you don't take the bible literally (a "day" in the bible could mean "a long period of time" not "24 hours as we know it"), then it could actually fit into our modern scientific knowledge of the creation of the world and the species. The order that the bible says the world was created (separate earth from sky, then water, then animals etc) matches science (volcanos created atmosphere, then rains makes the oceans, from which life starts). Also even the order of some of the animals are similar afaik (fish -> reptiles -> birds -> men etc) in both the genesis and the modern evolution theory.

"We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis

Surprisingly enough, there are some people who believe that the "fruit of the tree of the science of good and evil" is not an "apple". But a metaphor for the root of self consciousness, from which when the first human beings experimented with, they got kicked out of that place where they had the same level as all animals. Sounds familiar?
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 23 2009 05:05 GMT
#85
On May 23 2009 13:54 VIB wrote:
In case you didn't know, your theory have already existed for a long time. According to many people, if you don't take the bible literally (a "day" in the bible could mean "a long period of time" not "24 hours as we know it"), then it could actually fit into our modern scientific knowledge of the creation of the world and the species. The order that the bible says the world was created (separate earth from sky, then water, then animals etc) matches science (volcanos created atmosphere, then rains makes the oceans, from which life starts). Also even the order of some of the animals are similar afaik (fish -> reptiles -> birds -> men etc) in both the genesis and the modern evolution theory.


And when Bible talks about the "pillars" that the Earth rests upon, and the "waters above," what is it "really" saying?

That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 23 2009 06:19 GMT
#86
On May 23 2009 14:05 Mindcrime wrote:
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On May 23 2009 13:54 VIB wrote:
In case you didn't know, your theory have already existed for a long time. According to many people, if you don't take the bible literally (a "day" in the bible could mean "a long period of time" not "24 hours as we know it"), then it could actually fit into our modern scientific knowledge of the creation of the world and the species. The order that the bible says the world was created (separate earth from sky, then water, then animals etc) matches science (volcanos created atmosphere, then rains makes the oceans, from which life starts). Also even the order of some of the animals are similar afaik (fish -> reptiles -> birds -> men etc) in both the genesis and the modern evolution theory.


And when Bible talks about the "pillars" that the Earth rests upon, and the "waters above," what is it "really" saying?
First of all, don't ask ME. I never read the bible, I have no idea what color it has. I just brought it up this because it was relevant to what Charlie posted. I know my father talks a lot about that and there are many many different books on this subject (science + bible).

But a 10sec googling found this:
So the phrase "pillars of heaven" and "pillars of earth" are referring to the same mountains. One emphasizes the height of the mountains holding up heaven, the other emphasizes the depth of the mountains that hold the earth firm.
- http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/genesis/genesis1_pillarsearth.htm

From my point of view, some parts of the bible (it's a very big book written by many different people) has some very well thought philosophies and theories that doesn't go against any modern science at all. I'm just too young and immature to ever bother reading it :D
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