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(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled.
Stopped reading, 1 star. D:
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On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:Stopped reading, 1 star. D:
Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand?
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On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:Stopped reading, 1 star. D:
5 stars
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1196 Posts
On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand?
funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch.
Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch.
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On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch.
I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled.
1 Star. 5 pool doesn't counter FE. I own 5 pools with FE.
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United States10774 Posts
On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread.
eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does.
btw i don't mean to take anything away from those games but the opponent in game 1 is D- at best. he was horrible and it was just you punishing a bad player :/ the other two games are better though.
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Best Thread Ever 10 stars.
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On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does.
5pool blows vs 1 base.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On May 10 2009 17:35 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does. 5pool blows vs 1 base.
5 pool blows vs anything. 5 pool sucks against FE, sucks against 1 base, sucks against terran, sucks against zerg. wtf, who does 5 pool.
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United States10774 Posts
On May 10 2009 17:35 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does. 5pool blows vs 1 base.
so 5 pool is still getting early lings and praying your opponent went for a fast expansion build. there's a difference between that and actually punishing a FE toss after knowing he did so. 5 pool is simply gambling in the dark.
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On May 10 2009 17:35 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does. 5pool blows vs 1 base.
Yeah he said attempt. The attempt generally fails miserably against 1base.
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On May 10 2009 17:42 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:35 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does. 5pool blows vs 1 base. 5 pool blows vs anything. 5 pool sucks against FE, sucks against 1 base, sucks against terran, sucks against zerg. wtf, who does 5 pool.
Either (1) you're right that 5pool blows against everything, in which case everyone before you who complained about how 5pool is cheap/quick win is wrong, or
(2) 5 pool works well vs something (i.e. against FE protoss), which I think is equivalent to an 8rax in tvz. In that case, people who complain about 5pool should also be complaining about 8rax if they are to be consistent. But no decent player complains about 8rax, so those people shouldn't complain about 5pool either.
It's probably (2). Just watch July vs Best finals. That's all I'm going to say about 5pool. If you want to debate more about 5pool, PM me instead.
@OneOther. Yeah, I made a mistake. It was an old game and I lumped it in with the two new ones. First one was probably a D+ game (which is not to say that my opponent was actually a D+ player).
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On May 10 2009 17:48 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2009 17:35 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:22 OneOther wrote:On May 10 2009 17:12 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 17:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On May 10 2009 16:48 Blind wrote:On May 10 2009 16:43 Adeny wrote:(zvp): I thought he would FE, so I 5pooled. Stopped reading, 1 star. D: Is there something wrong with trying to punish a FE-ing toss or should I just do the same build every game so that he gets a free expand? funny, thats what terrans say about zergs when they bunker rush vs 12 hatch. Or p's when they 2 gate proxy against suspected 12 hatch. I agree, but I don't see how that's a problem. I never complained about bunker rushes and proxy 2gates in this thread. eh i don't really care about 5 pooling, but i just think it's funny how you are trying to justify it. punish him for a "free expansion?" really now? it's always an attempt at a cheap/quick win, regardless of what the opponent does. 5pool blows vs 1 base. Yeah he said attempt. The attempt generally fails miserably against 1base.
(You wrote this while I was writing my long post about 5pool, so I'll reply to this last one.)
If you think he's going to 1 base and you think 5pool sucks vs 1 base, it wouldn't make sense to 5pool. He said "regardless of what the opponent does" and my point was just to show that that part is false. 5pool is meant to get a quick win against FE, the same way 8rax is supposed to get a quick win vs a 12hatch.
It's sad that so many people are caught up on the 5pool and are missing the other two great games.
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As Colbert might say,
5pool: great build, or The Greatest Build?
edit: I don't think there's anything wrong with 5pooling once in a while.
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what's wrong with 5-pool it's a really exciting build makes for great and unusual games..
Other really cool builds are 7pylon-7gate on destination, 8-rax etc etc.
And you know whats funny? while im typing this I'm watching modesty doing 4-pool at GOM its a part of the game get used to it
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I don't get the fuss about the 5pool, only thing that annoyed me about that game was that he said it was played on C+ level in the op, and then the protoss turns out to be a D/D- player. It's not fun to watch when your opponent is so much worse, even though its a sick comeback. I liked the other 2 games though.
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haha, nicely done with the ZvT. I used to always do 4 hatch hydra ZvT and then try to transition into some some of hydralurk thing, but I'd always get raped by 2 fac tank.
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