EPTI get the whole storyline, but what is the movie trying to convey? I'd like to hear your views/perspectives on it because. well I got none.
[Movie] Fight Club
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
I get the whole storyline, but what is the movie trying to convey? I'd like to hear your views/perspectives on it because. well I got none. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
And I suppose there's alot of anti-consumerism stuff in there too. | ||
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Or just some sick psychotic masculinity rage. I liked it, had to watch it 3x over to get the whole idea of it...or whatever. I watched memento from and old stash of dvds the other day, omfg what a mindfuckkk. watch that too. I could be entirely wrong though, but it just seems like that from the random shit people say about it. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On April 23 2009 10:34 imperfect wrote: After many months, i finally got around to watching the movie. Overall, I thought it was a well-made movie, with some good acting, an interesting plotline, and a good deal of messages.. probably. I get the whole storyline, but what is the movie trying to convey? I'd like to hear your views/perspectives on it because. well I got none. Make sure you watch it twice before you try to answer that. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Sheesh. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
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AmorVincitOmnia
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
What the movie is trying to convey is pretty simple. Don't remember the quite perfectly but something along the lines of "We've all been brought up to believe that one day we're all going to be super rich and rock stars and movie gods, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we are very pissed off." The movie conveys the bitterness of being an average joe. | ||
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Jonoman92
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Chef
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ninjafetus
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
Probably the easiest way to analyze the movie is through psychoanalysis, where the doppleganger ("double") has a well-established template. Tyler's Id is embodied by wild Pitt, which the ego (Edward Norton) has repressed at the instigation of the superego, society. Norton is initially deeply unsatisfied with life, like most of us may be now. The camera shows his apartment, his kitchenware, and we hear of his talk about Ikea catalogs to better furnish his house, yet these are all superficial images. His fridge, most often closed, reveals an empty and undernourished inside: Tyler (Norton) is all show, he has nothing to show for his life. Such a lifestyle may reflect on that of office workers (and not just the average joe) that have been sucked into such a consumerist culture. When Brad Pitt (Norton's doppleganger/Id) finally manifests himself, he takes such control of Norton because he satisfies everything Tyler didn't previously have: he gives him self-confidence, self-esteem, nurtures him and even gets him laid. In the chaos, Norton (ego) suffers and grows; he deals with the repressed desires contained in the Id. (I mentioned that these desires are suppressed by society. This means that Tyler cannot lash out at his boss at work; he cannot fuck Marla as he likes; he cannot express himself, he is stifled) However, he cannot let go of his previous life. He is still attached to his possessions and is still afraid. Norton has an epiphany when he realizes Tyler and he are the same person: he begins to understand the source of his problems, and he tries to deal with them by killing Tyler off. Of course, these desires never go away. This is symbolized by the flash of the penis at the end credits, which signifies that Tyler isn't actually gone - he's just been temporarily dealt with. Sorry if this is run-on. Been a bit since I saw the movie. | ||
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
On April 23 2009 11:50 ninjafetus wrote: Guys, you're missing the point. The message wasn't all that anti-capitalist nihilist bullshit that the Tyler Durden persona was spouting. The message was for us to stop blaming society and grow up. In the end, self-destruction was just as bad as medicating immaturity with consumerism. Or, much better said, this. | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
On April 23 2009 11:31 Chef wrote: Guys, you'll never believe what movie I just saw... BACK TO THE FUTURE! Omigosh, discuss. I got the story and all, but what is the significance of 88 miles per hour to time travel? How does a car run on garbage and why did they make up the term "jiggawatt"? ohhemmgee. I would like to hear your feedback on this matter. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On April 23 2009 11:51 Oxygen wrote: Fight Club has a lot of depth to it, expanding on ideas such as masculinity, (anti-)consumerism, self-fulfillment and the construction of the self through a doppleganger. Probably the easiest way to analyze the movie is through psychoanalysis, where the doppleganger ("double") has a well-established template. Tyler's Id is embodied by wild Pitt, which the ego (Edward Norton) has repressed at the instigation of the superego, society. Norton is initially deeply unsatisfied with life, like most of us may be now. The camera shows his apartment, his kitchenware, and we hear of his talk about Ikea catalogs to better furnish his house, yet these are all superficial images. His fridge, most often closed, reveals an empty and undernourished inside: Tyler (Norton) is all show, he has nothing to show for his life. Such a lifestyle may reflect on that of office workers (and not just the average joe) that have been sucked into such a consumerist culture. When Brad Pitt (Norton's doppleganger/Id) finally manifests himself, he takes such control of Norton because he satisfies everything Tyler didn't previously have: he gives him self-confidence, self-esteem, nurtures him and even gets him laid. In the chaos, Norton (ego) suffers and grows; he deals with the repressed desires contained in the Id. (I mentioned that these desires are suppressed by society. This means that Tyler cannot lash out at his boss at work; he cannot fuck Marla as he likes; he cannot express himself, he is stifled) However, he cannot let go of his previous life. He is still attached to his possessions and is still afraid. Norton has an epiphany when he realizes Tyler and he are the same person: he begins to understand the source of his problems, and he tries to deal with them by killing Tyler off. Of course, these desires never go away. This is symbolized by the flash of the penis at the end credits, which signifies that Tyler isn't actually gone - he's just been temporarily dealt with. Sorry if this is run-on. Been a bit since I saw the movie. GFG explanation I'm still curious though What was the point of Project Mayhem? To bring down corporations? To make it more fair for all workers? And you say he only temporarily dealt with Tyler? I believe he actually finished him. I saw the penis at the end but I thought maybe they just did that for the hell of it In the end, great movie, love some quotes in there. Pitt did amazing job in the movie Love the part where he puts his hand on acid and Pitt says "You are free to do anything when you lose everything" | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Xusneb
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MamiyaOtaru
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Heyoka
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Oxygen
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Also, not sure what GFG means :o | ||
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Chef
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On April 23 2009 11:57 deathgod6 wrote: I got the story and all, but what is the significance of 88 miles per hour to time travel? How does a car run on garbage and why did they make up the term "jiggawatt"? ohhemmgee. I would like to hear your feedback on this matter. Because if you turn an 8 sideways, it's actually the symbol for infinity. And since the time machine can either go forwards, an infinite amount of time, or backwards, an infinite amount of time, it's like DOUBLE INFINITY! It runs on garbage cause they're thinking green, and when you're thinking green, dreams come true. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they came up with jiggawatt tho. | ||
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GhosterPyle
United States8 Posts
lol at spoiler for a movie made 10 years ago, but: + Show Spoiler + How does shooting himself in the jaw kill Tyler? Was it a symbolic thing? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
"jiggawatt" is the archaic pronunciation of gigawatt | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On April 23 2009 13:00 Oxygen wrote: I think given the nature of Brad Pitt's character, I don't think he ever really "goes away", unless this is a complete turning point in Norton's life and he actually decides to shift radically rather than slowly revert to his previous self. Also, not sure what GFG means :o GFG = Good Fucking Game = Awesome | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
That said...it also did your run of the mill existential own-up-to-yourself-and-take-charge-of-your-own-life-dont-give-in-to-the-status-quo-just-'cause-that's-how-everyone-else-does-it-do-what-you-want-do-what-makes-you-happy-blah-blah-blah movie much better, with more depth, and with more intelligence than most others do. If you had to pin it down to one thing...it'd be that. | ||
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-orb-
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Kennelie
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 23 2009 14:02 GhosterPyle wrote: What was the deal with the end? lol at spoiler for a movie made 10 years ago, but: + Show Spoiler + How does shooting himself in the jaw kill Tyler? Was it a symbolic thing? yes. (rofl) | ||
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Chef
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On April 23 2009 14:02 GhosterPyle wrote: What was the deal with the end? lol at spoiler for a movie made 10 years ago, but: + Show Spoiler + How does shooting himself in the jaw kill Tyler? Was it a symbolic thing? If you take a Jungian perspective, Tyler is like his shadow. When he finally realises he is a necessary, and definite part of himself, they become one whole. Shooting himself is something crazy, like that only Tyler would do, ie: what he should be capable of doing if he didn't keep projecting his dark desires on his shadow, instead of admitting that they are a part of him. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 24 2009 01:45 Chef wrote: If you take a Jungian perspective, Tyler is like his shadow. When he finally realises he is a necessary, and definite part of himself, they become one whole. Shooting himself is something crazy, like that only Tyler would do, ie: what he should be capable of doing if he didn't keep projecting his dark desires on his shadow, instead of admitting that they are a part of him. That's what I meant. | ||
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hugitout
United States379 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On April 23 2009 14:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: to you backtothefuture complaining motherfuckers: "jiggawatt" is the archaic pronunciation of gigawatt Great Scott! | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On April 23 2009 10:55 LaLuSh wrote: After many months? Try years yeah i know but it's only been a few months since i'ver heard of it! haha anyway, thanks for the replies. i think i'll watch again | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On April 23 2009 11:31 Chef wrote: nice oneGuys, you'll never believe what movie I just saw... BACK TO THE FUTURE! Omigosh, discuss. | ||
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ninjafetus
United States231 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
This is heavy! | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Sure he could have imagined some of it, but it is portrayed as it really happened and then he has bruises,cuts,etc from that fight. Other than that I've seen the movie like over 10 times and its pretty good. PS- Sure some people don't know this but in the earlier parts of the film (like on the street when hes going to the meetings/talking with marla) there are flashes of durden's image a few times. This is related to the thing he's talking about with the ciggarette burns on films. Somewhat of a foreshadowing. That's another thing that bugged me too, when he slipped the picture of the cock in the disney movie, that's fine but why are there sound effects? And the zerg music is when he's talking to his boss about the rules he found in the copy machine (and people say its different but it sounds the same to me). | ||
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littlechava
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