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Zergling Speed: A Very Good Hedge vs. T - Page 2

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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 24 2009 20:33 GMT
#21

I trust myself and go in, killing about a dozen SCVs, doing severe damage. In retrospect, I think I could have done more damage by going into his main and attacking his Barracks.

looks like you couldve ended the game right there if u did go in
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
March 24 2009 20:34 GMT
#22
all that superfluous language makes me completely unable to take this seriously

not that it's saying anything too revolutionary, I'm sorry.

im just curious as to how you went from wrecking his nat so early to almost losing the game

at that fight it looks like you've just killed all his mnm and you still have a group of lings and 8 mutas left, i dunno how it's even possible to come back from that

o_O


What this guy said.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-24 20:56:36
March 24 2009 20:56 GMT
#23
Love how everyone here is talking like they're better than Stryker at this game. He beats a 35-2 C+ Terran (while accounting for one of the two losses that is) and everyone's like "too bad a good Terran would have beat you" or whining about poker analogies. It's a blog, not a guide, and most people aren't progamers ... chill out guys.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 24 2009 21:10 GMT
#24
On March 25 2009 05:56 darktreb wrote:
Love how everyone here is talking like they're better than Stryker at this game. He beats a 35-2 C+ Terran (while accounting for one of the two losses that is) and everyone's like "too bad a good Terran would have beat you" or whining about poker analogies. It's a blog, not a guide, and most people aren't progamers ... chill out guys.



its hilarious how he talks about upgrading zergling speed like it's this incredibly gosu and subtle move NOBODY ever does. Even if he didn't mean it like that, that's how it sounds.
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
March 24 2009 21:22 GMT
#25
On March 25 2009 06:10 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 05:56 darktreb wrote:
Love how everyone here is talking like they're better than Stryker at this game. He beats a 35-2 C+ Terran (while accounting for one of the two losses that is) and everyone's like "too bad a good Terran would have beat you" or whining about poker analogies. It's a blog, not a guide, and most people aren't progamers ... chill out guys.



its hilarious how he talks about upgrading zergling speed like it's this incredibly gosu and subtle move NOBODY ever does. Even if he didn't mean it like that, that's how it sounds.



stryker is less emphasizing the importance of ling speed than he is emphasizing the effectiveness of makinkg 12 speedlings to substitute for sunkens. 12 speedlings are amazingly strong.

and for those of you saying

i cant wait for a good terran to rape you or what not with firebats, thats pure bs. stryker isnt a noob like you are.

if terran does some early game pressure, stryker smacks down 2 sunkens, and the entire pressure crap is over. stryker knows when to engage, hes not gonna attack if he sees firebats. he will simply put down 2 sunkens, and if terran decides to keep goiong and attack the sunkens, the sunkens combined with 12 lings from behind will DESTROY that force, and the inevitable mutas will just rape your base.

yes this is a good idea. very economic 3 hatch builds are only asking for pressure and that pressure will make you waste more minerals anyway.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
March 24 2009 21:39 GMT
#26
He gives a good analysis of why speedlings are powerful. I don't think he's claiming that going speed after lair is his brilliant innovation. Entertaining post.
xyn
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 24 2009 22:21 GMT
#27
On March 25 2009 04:16 koreasilver wrote:
Lingspeed after Lair is standard in TvZ.

Hello
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
March 24 2009 22:45 GMT
#28
On March 25 2009 04:59 koreasilver wrote:
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On March 25 2009 04:47 404.TooEz wrote:
On March 25 2009 04:33 koreasilver wrote:
Isn't it more economically viable to have a bit of a balance between sunkens and lings anyways?


really economical 3 hatch builds involve only getting 4 lings until mutas and delay speed after mutas + Den imo

Who in the world is going to let you get mutas from a 3hatch build making no sunks and only 4 slow lings?


If they go 2 rax tech they will, if not you just adapt..What I mean is you want to aim for not making more than that, as in power drone but obviously it depends on what the Terran is doing..
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 24 2009 22:57 GMT
#29
On March 25 2009 07:45 404.TooEz wrote:
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On March 25 2009 04:59 koreasilver wrote:
On March 25 2009 04:47 404.TooEz wrote:
On March 25 2009 04:33 koreasilver wrote:
Isn't it more economically viable to have a bit of a balance between sunkens and lings anyways?


really economical 3 hatch builds involve only getting 4 lings until mutas and delay speed after mutas + Den imo

Who in the world is going to let you get mutas from a 3hatch build making no sunks and only 4 slow lings?


If they go 2 rax tech they will, if not you just adapt..What I mean is you want to aim for not making more than that, as in power drone but obviously it depends on what the Terran is doing..

Okay. Well, of course a zerg player should whore drones as much as their opponent allows in the early game, but getting ling speed after mutalisks is dangerous. Lings are used constantly throughout the game, and you seriously need speedlings around before mutalisks. The upgrade is so important, and it doesn't hinder you from producing the initial mutalisks and the following tech if you started mining from your first two gases at appropriate times.
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
March 24 2009 23:03 GMT
#30
I don't see this working too well. A few firebats and you have to put down sunken colonies anyways.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 24 2009 23:28 GMT
#31
lolz u got owned
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
March 25 2009 02:15 GMT
#32
On March 25 2009 08:03 APurpleCow wrote:
I don't see this working too well. A few firebats and you have to put down sunken colonies anyways.


2. and that really doesnt make a difference. you can get 12 speedlings and 2 sunkens before mutas and maybe delay mutas by 2 seconds at most.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
March 25 2009 05:53 GMT
#33
What's hedging?
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 25 2009 15:39 GMT
#34
On March 25 2009 14:53 Salv wrote:
What's hedging?


you put a row of lings in between your opponent's territory and your own and people stroll by and comment on how neatly kept they are
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
March 25 2009 18:37 GMT
#35
On March 26 2009 00:39 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 14:53 Salv wrote:
What's hedging?


you put a row of lings in between your opponent's territory and your own and people stroll by and comment on how neatly kept they are


Careful you don't make the row too long. People will call you a hedge-hog.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
March 25 2009 18:49 GMT
#36
On March 26 2009 03:37 LTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2009 00:39 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On March 25 2009 14:53 Salv wrote:
What's hedging?


you put a row of lings in between your opponent's territory and your own and people stroll by and comment on how neatly kept they are


Careful you don't make the row too long. People will call you a hedge-hog.


hahaha
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 27 2009 01:01 GMT
#37
On March 25 2009 07:21 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 04:16 koreasilver wrote:
Lingspeed after Lair is standard in TvZ.


"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
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