EPTIs it really possible? - Page 4
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ilovehnk
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7694 Posts
On January 15 2009 12:07 Frits wrote: Your argument is based on your pride and anecdotal evidence, mine is based on famous psychological research. Being a bad player has nothing to do with it. And it's not like you know how much time each kid invests in chess, how much they care about winning, how much they obsess over it, your first hand experience is meaningless. And your examples of multi tasking and stuff like that required in sc? Any kid could learn it, I guarantee it. Actually I just didn't feel like explaining how poor you argument is frits. Mine is based upon 5 years as a chess teacher at a junior college , high school , jr high school and private lessons. Along with being partnered with a USCF master Arthur Braden whom I helped prepare lesson plans and outlines for over 200 chess players. Unlike you I've actually worked first hand in the field along with taking classes in childhood development. Also unlike you I know how to play broodwar and have taught many people how to play broodwar. Quote whatever bullshit studies you like (that you obviously can't refrence without dipping into the google world) and try and prove yourself right. There are many different ceiling caps in chess. For instance 6 hours a day is the general regiment for a 1500 play (uscf rating) to reach 1900 within a year an half , 1900 is the expert ranking. This is a rather attainable goal for most gifted players. If you do any browsing , which I'm sure you haven't since you always come across like you know what your talking about and never actually do, you will see that there are many many thousands of players with hundreds or thousands of games over a short span of years or a long span that can never break even 1200-1300-1400-1500 points, while the average "club" player is around 1600 which is still rather poor with a decent opening rep, decent tactics and normally terrible strategic understand and little or no end game understanding. Now the sacramento chess club which I was an active player for about 4 years during which time I was under the wing of another master from yugoslav, also named arthur, and in numerous conversations with him and an actuall chess confrence in San Fransico with Jermey Silman concluded that average chess masters pupils had inert ceilings of ability, which they could never surpass. I studied for 7 years mostly indepently aside from any teaching or asst. teaching that I have done. On this subject I know what I'm talking about and you do not. Also on the subject of broodwar your just another guy who can't do something blindingly believing others could or they could with effort. Sorry alot of people are not very smart and hard work can not make up for inert disablities, dullness, lack of cordination, lack of mental speed, stamina, will power, creativty and worst of all lethergy(could be sp, but I'm pretty sure not) Sadist I was going from memory not from seeing you this season  . Gj, if you play after 9pm PST you are a fucking dope player.Oystein, these people are giving me a headache, I give up on them =(. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7694 Posts
On January 15 2009 12:00 fusionsdf wrote: [ Don't just assume its all talent because it makes you feel warm inside I agree 100% with frits' post I'm not a B player. (edited out a rude phrase to a forum vet) | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
interesting thoughts on chess. My thing on something being mental has always been that theres a reason that a great player thought what they thought at a specific time, so I dont see why that information cant be passed on to another person for them to understand it. Obviously they dont have the same experiences as a great player but say a great player to a good player, you think it would help out the good player quite a bit and they could learn things from it and apply it to their own game. Maybe its me being naive, but i feel its the same way with starcraft, once you get past the mechanics. | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
Just like even if everyone spent as much time at chess as Kasparov, Karpov, Kramnic, and Anand, very few people could actually reach that level. I could NEVER swim as fast as Michael Phelps. All these people are special in what they do. They put in extraordinary effort but they also started with extraordinary potential. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
how could I make that mistake? You bring up your iccup rank in every fucking post | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7694 Posts
On January 15 2009 13:50 Sadist wrote: theres no way I was B+ playing with all koreans on PST, I played whoever though, the god damn korean zergs always beat my ass though. =[ interesting thoughts on chess. My thing on something being mental has always been that theres a reason that a great player thought what they thought at a specific time, so I dont see why that information cant be passed on to another person for them to understand it. Obviously they dont have the same experiences as a great player but say a great player to a good player, you think it would help out the good player quite a bit and they could learn things from it and apply it to their own game. Maybe its me being naive, but i feel its the same way with starcraft, once you get past the mechanics. When I've played you I never lost because your mechanics were better then mine. I always lost because you played smarter/better. Does it doesn't shock me that somebody who played me before when I played alot plays at a higher level then I do now. I think smart players, not smart people, have potential to improve, and that its simpily mechanics that negate their results. Some people lack the ability to consistently make good decisions in game. Watch 90% of the reps in the strategy section. Most of them literally are so handicapped by the basic functions of starcraft that they can't ever enter into the meta game and meta-midgame (which I believe exists now). | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7694 Posts
On January 15 2009 14:21 fusionsdf wrote: how could I make that mistake? You bring up your iccup rank in every fucking post I have never once ever said I was B ever once. Infact 3 months ago I was stocked to beat a korean b- terran, and 1 1/2 months ago I was happy to hit b- in 120 (I think) games. Thank you come again! | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
More accurately, "anyone" could be a B, but not "everyone", for if lots of people became a 'B' (by today's measure), then the bar tomorrow just raises higher and a new class of C's and D's emerge. | ||
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