If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed.
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Your arguments hold even less weight when you lie
There is no way in hell if you woke up one morning to some guy spray painting your car you would be cool with it.
My car does actually have spray paint on it, but i did it myself. Besides we're not that fucked up. We only do cars when they're abandoned. Like I said, learn about the graffiti scene before you take your head out of your own ass and talk shit.
The government is going to have to pay to have that sign cleaned. Therefore taking money from much more worthy places and increasing taxes.
Go get a life and try to amount to something other than trash, because painting over a street sign wont be something youll look back on where your older and be proud of.
Ive nothing against good graffiti art when permission is asked. Theres a tunnel near where I live with some awsome paintings in it. However you are just vandilising like an immature boy who thinks its cool.
Well, I didn't say I did that? Don't go off doing a tl;dr bullshit here. Because apparently you didn't read when I said "My friends." Besides if you knew anything about the graffiti scene, every graffiti artist has done this. It's a way to gain respect and fame. I usually do billboards, walls, freights and legal walls. Besides most of good graffiti art comes from illegal graffiti. How do you think you start? By playing with your balls then going and tagging up a legal wall? No... In order to even do a legal wall you have to be good; Really good and to get to that point you have to be doing things you shouldn't.
It's also funny how you tell me to get a life when you're the one that's trying to start a problem on a forum. So don't talk about something you never will know or understand and don't go off telling people to get a life, because it just proves you might not have one yourself.
Fen's right man, you can graff on things that arnt required for use for example if you go on our trains around town most of the walls have graffiti and its quite good, its not hurting anybody and dosent need to be cleaned up, but when you do it over a sign that needs to be used is just stupid and immature, and quite frankly you dont "need" to do it to become known and good
Yeah illegally destoying other peoples property is just a misunderstood field.
I understand fine. I think anyone who damages property that is not their own and thinks they are cool are losers. If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed. But its ok to go to it to others?
And Yes I think the op should go get a life. Your goal in life is to be a graffiti artist?
No I don't think so.
Why they do it on government property is to get their name out, to get famous within the scene. With graffiti being one of the main elements of hip hop, along with emceeing, bboying, and DJing - it is an outlet for people for their creativity, stress, anything, etc. Expressing oneself. While some may do it 'just to impress', many do it to express ones opinions, views or feelings. (weather it'd be rebelling or supporting) I know from another point of view they should just not do it, let the gov't spend money on something useful and whatnot but if not, it's just wasted talent. You work hard and master your craft and passion (whatever that may be) but if you can't get known for it (or somebody claims it's their own thing), then all the time you spent would be meaningless.
It's a topic that can be argued endlessly though.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat, you cant say that ruining a sign that is for public use is ok because you want to express youself, thats just plain immature. The other ways you list there of people expressing themselvs dont cost the public money so why even compair them to it
On December 20 2008 17:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: To do something like this on a train never knowing when they're going to come out and catch you is amazing.
Any claim of doing this for the art is lost right there.
No, because you have a certain time limit to do it. You have to try to do your best work before they come out and notice you're there. That is why I say illegal bombing is the best form of graffiti, cause that's when you're true graffiti artist shows. That's when amazing art is born.
So the stated message is that true art has a time limit and that masterpieces which take years to complete are lesser works, at least in this specific realm of art otherwise known as vandalism.
The underlying message is that graffiti is only in its true artistic form when vandalizing something people actually care about, which is why you're on a time limit.
I'm having an increasingly harder time seeing the art behind the vandalism and a much easier time seeing the thrill-seeking vandal.
Art is definitely open to interpretation until being an artist and abiding by the law become mutually exclusive.
On December 20 2008 17:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: To do something like this on a train never knowing when they're going to come out and catch you is amazing.
Any claim of doing this for the art is lost right there.
No, because you have a certain time limit to do it. You have to try to do your best work before they come out and notice you're there. That is why I say illegal bombing is the best form of graffiti, cause that's when you're true graffiti artist shows. That's when amazing art is born.
So the stated message is that true art has a time limit and that masterpieces which take years to complete are lesser works, at least in this specific realm of art otherwise known as vandalism.
The underlying message is that graffiti is only in its true artistic form when vandalizing something people actually care about, which is why you're on a time limit.
I'm having an increasingly harder time seeing the art behind the vandalism and a much easier time seeing the thrill-seeking vandal.
Art is definitely open to interpretation until being an artist and abiding by the law become mutually exclusive.
I'm not saying that art that takes years isn't lesser art. The problem with legal walls is that some one with not a whole lot of skill in graffiti can make a masterpiece cause he has time and is able to decide what he wants to do with it. When you're on a time scheduled, that's when you actually try to do your best to prove that you were able to make something so great within 40mins tops. That's when another graffiti artist can say "wow this guy is amazing"
On December 20 2008 17:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: To do something like this on a train never knowing when they're going to come out and catch you is amazing.
Any claim of doing this for the art is lost right there.
No, because you have a certain time limit to do it. You have to try to do your best work before they come out and notice you're there. That is why I say illegal bombing is the best form of graffiti, cause that's when you're true graffiti artist shows. That's when amazing art is born.
So the stated message is that true art has a time limit and that masterpieces which take years to complete are lesser works, at least in this specific realm of art otherwise known as vandalism.
The underlying message is that graffiti is only in its true artistic form when vandalizing something people actually care about, which is why you're on a time limit.
I'm having an increasingly harder time seeing the art behind the vandalism and a much easier time seeing the thrill-seeking vandal.
Art is definitely open to interpretation until being an artist and abiding by the law become mutually exclusive.
I'm not saying that art that takes years isn't lesser art. The problem with legal walls is that some one with not a whole lot of skill in graffiti can make a masterpiece cause he has time and is able to decide what he wants to do with it. When you're on a time scheduled, that's when you actually try to do your best to prove that you were able to make something so great within 40mins tops. That's when another graffiti artist can say "wow this guy is amazing"
So to prove your skill you have break the law and cost peoples money to repair what you vandalise?
what morons. Those signs are for people to look at and know where to go.
It's all about the bragging rights hiding under the veil of "im expressing myself!!!"
There's a reason why it's so hard to find legal walls to tag on. Nobody wants your shitty art on their property. Take a hint and start expressing yourself in your garage instead.
If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed.
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Your arguments hold even less weight when you lie
There is no way in hell if you woke up one morning to some guy spray painting your car you would be cool with it.
My car does actually have spray paint on it, but i did it myself. Besides we're not that fucked up. We only do cars when they're abandoned. Like I said, learn about the graffiti scene before you take your head out of your own ass and talk shit.
You miss the point. Looks like ill have to write it out nice and clear for you.
If someone came along and started damaging your property, and claimed "Im expressing myself" you would NOT be cool with it. Yet this is EXACTLY what you are doing to others.
Anyone who thinks its ok to destroy other people's property is a loser. You are one of them.
EDIT: Also, that sign would have cost more than your car to replace. So yes you are that fucked up if you support the losers who did that.
If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed.
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Your arguments hold even less weight when you lie
There is no way in hell if you woke up one morning to some guy spray painting your car you would be cool with it.
My car does actually have spray paint on it, but i did it myself. Besides we're not that fucked up. We only do cars when they're abandoned. Like I said, learn about the graffiti scene before you take your head out of your own ass and talk shit.
You miss the point. Looks like ill have to write it out nice and clear for you.
If someone came along and started damaging your property, and claimed "Im expressing myself" you would NOT be cool with it. Yet this is EXACTLY what you are doing to others.
Anyone who thinks its ok to destroy other people's property is a loser. You are one of them.
EDIT: Also, that sign would have cost more than your car to replace. So yes you are that fucked up if you support the losers who did that.
If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed.
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Your arguments hold even less weight when you lie
There is no way in hell if you woke up one morning to some guy spray painting your car you would be cool with it.
My car does actually have spray paint on it, but i did it myself. Besides we're not that fucked up. We only do cars when they're abandoned. Like I said, learn about the graffiti scene before you take your head out of your own ass and talk shit.
You miss the point. Looks like ill have to write it out nice and clear for you.
If someone came along and started damaging your property, and claimed "Im expressing myself" you would NOT be cool with it. Yet this is EXACTLY what you are doing to others.
Anyone who thinks its ok to destroy other people's property is a loser. You are one of them.
EDIT: Also, that sign would have cost more than your car to replace. So yes you are that fucked up if you support the losers who did that.
First of all, you don't know me so you can't say I wouldn't care. Which I don't if some one did it to me. First reason is 'cause I do it myself, it's called Karma. I know it will come back to me. Another thing, I'm an artist. If some one wants to express themselves on my car, go ahead. As long as it's not a fucking huge dick(like yourself) I wouldn't mind. Another thing, I know it's not ok to destroy some one's property but what other choice do we have? Also the sign got replaced within the next day so stfu. It didn't even get replaced they just removed the paint. There is liquids that can remove paint instantly that cost about 10$ in the store. Now quit your bitching.
You might be an artist amongst other vandals, but amonst society you are just trashing public property.
Nothing can really be that great if it inflicts pain on others, and I bet, that the thousands of people that wake up every morning to see theyr houses/shops graffited, are not happy, they dont look at theyr doors and say "wow thats such a piece of art"
If you are gonna "express yourself" in my property, take your fucking time and do something great, because claiming that a time limit makes you a better artist just means you dont want to risk getting arrested for it, you wont sacrifice yourself for your art, you are a poser.
On December 22 2008 04:31 D10 wrote: You might be an artist amongst other vandals, but amonst society you are just trashing public property.
Nothing can really be that great if it inflicts pain on others, and I bet, that the thousands of people that wake up every morning to see theyr houses/shops graffited, are not happy, they dont look at theyr doors and say "wow thats such a piece of art"
If you are gonna "express yourself" in my property, take your fucking time and do something great, because claiming that a time limit makes you a better artist just means you dont want to risk getting arrested for it, you wont sacrifice yourself for your art, you are a poser.
Exactly what I'm saying if you know you're on a time limit, you better try and go all out or go home. Which is why I'm saying that the best graffiti artist in you comes out. Like I said in the beginning G.R.A.F.F said Gonna Risk All For Fame.
If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed.
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Your arguments hold even less weight when you lie
There is no way in hell if you woke up one morning to some guy spray painting your car you would be cool with it.
My car does actually have spray paint on it, but i did it myself. Besides we're not that fucked up. We only do cars when they're abandoned. Like I said, learn about the graffiti scene before you take your head out of your own ass and talk shit.
You miss the point. Looks like ill have to write it out nice and clear for you.
If someone came along and started damaging your property, and claimed "Im expressing myself" you would NOT be cool with it. Yet this is EXACTLY what you are doing to others.
Anyone who thinks its ok to destroy other people's property is a loser. You are one of them.
EDIT: Also, that sign would have cost more than your car to replace. So yes you are that fucked up if you support the losers who did that.
First of all, you don't know me so you can't say I wouldn't care. Which I don't if some one did it to me. First reason is 'cause I do it myself, it's called Karma. I know it will come back to me. Another thing, I'm an artist. If some one wants to express themselves on my car, go ahead.
Its sad that you still do not understand the point im trying to make. What if someone threw a brick through your car's windscreen and called it art? Or maybe set fire to your car?
I know it's not ok to destroy some one's property but what other choice do we have?
Not destoying other peoples property? Seems like a pretty obvious answer to me.
Also the sign got replaced within the next day so stfu. It didn't even get replaced they just removed the paint. There is liquids that can remove paint instantly that cost about 10$ in the store. Now quit your bitching.
This obviously makes it ok then.
Your arguments are immature and stupid. Your flat out lying about being cool with others destroying your stuff. Your trying to justify destoying other peoples thing's with an "I have no choice" argument when you clearly do. And you seem completely oblivious to the costs you create to society.
Bottom line is you are a run-of-the-mill classic vandal who thinks he is cool for being a rebel. To everyone else apart from other people like yourself, you are a loser and you need to get a life.
On December 20 2008 15:20 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: lol dude as if you couldn't buy some piece of wood or something similar to practice with. Your just a fucking vandal and I hope you get caught and have to sell all your belongings to pay for cleansing and shit. Because I would prefer if my tax money is used to build a school to educate failures like u.
Failure? Funny how you're able to start judging with out knowing some one. First of all I'm actually in my 4th year of university and I'm studying Graphic Design. It's also funny that you say to "educate failures like me" because all I see is broken grammar and horrible spelling errors. Also a piece of wood isn't big enough to practice on; maybe just for throw ups and tags but that's about it.
I understand fine. I think anyone who damages property that is not their own and thinks they are cool are losers. If someone graffiti'ed your stuff, you would be pissed. But its ok to go to it to others?
I really wouldn't be pissed, because it's art. With out art this world would be a shit hole.
Everyone thinks graffiti is some form of gang shit when it's not. Probably gangs use graffiti to mark territory but not us graffiti artist. We use it to just express ourselves in the best way possible; it's our way of art. Illegal or not Illegal, it doesn't matter. We will express ourselves either way.
The problem is expressing your art at the expense of others. Artistic murder is not justified, nor is artistic robbery. I'm sure some people think "What a heist" and among their peers they are honored for it, but at the point where you are harming someone else (forcing them to pay for your art) you are a vandal.
lol your arguments are so fucking weak. Why don't you buy a big piece of wood and use a stopwatch if you think time is so important? Because your just doing it for the thrill. Btw your education failed on a more basic level than spelling and grammar.
On December 22 2008 10:29 ShoCkeyy wrote: Like I said in the beginning G.R.A.F.F said Gonna Risk All For Fame.
Exactly the point. It's not about how good you are as much as it is about having balls. You can paint the sistine chapel in your basement but you still won't get 1/1000th of the props you would get for tagging the "hollywood" sign. Unfortunately the fame that you speak of is inconequential in the real world. It's more like "omg I tagged a cop car" "omg you're so radical!!!" There's really nothing cool about it.
On December 21 2008 02:20 Trumpet wrote: Art is definitely open to interpretation until being an artist and abiding by the law become mutually exclusive.
Pretty summed up the thread. Graffiti is tied to breaking the law so it can only be seen as justified for political reasons. The fact that it's not rejected to steal the paint to do their work doesn't help their cause at all to not seen as another form of vandalism.
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