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magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
November 05 2008 16:54 GMT
#1
After hours of studying VODs, reading posts like Ahzz's awesome zerg guide and analyzing my own replays, i finally achieved what initially seemed an impossible task: joining the millions that have achieved D+ before me.

Let me give a simple background. I played the game since 1998. Only single player however, because i do not have broadband at that time. Somewhere around 2004, i tried playing on bnet but that didn't last long because of my general suckiness and because korean like to kick me out of their game for no reason. It was not enjoyable. Still, out of interest, I keep a tab on the scene news and watch VOD from time to time, the most memorable one being Shinhan OSL 3 grand finals where Savior wins with so much style despite doing the same build every game.

Fast forward to June 2008. Got bored of DOTA and was lurking around TL.net when i found out about ICCUP. Can't really remember the reason why, but i decided to give BW a try again. The first few games, as you may have guessed, involved me being trashed for reason unbeknown to me. My first win, IIRC, comes when a protoss tried proxy gate against me. However he lost the micro war without doing any damage. I proceed to sack his gates and he promptly GG'ed. I can clearly remember the feeling during the last few minutes of the game, when i know i was winning and getting so excited about it that my hands trembled. I struggled to click because my mouse becomes so inaccurate. My heart's beating so fast i thought it was gonna prop out. I learnt that day of the thrill of winning and decided to keep playing BW.

I set a goal to reach D+ before SC2 comes out. I figure that since I had put in so much time in the game, I should aim to achieve something, or anything, before the community switch to SC2. Being in military service, i could only touch the game during weekends. Sadly, often had little to do during weekends, thus I use much of the time to play BW as it was something i really enjoy. Despite that, the opportunities for me to practice and improved are severely limited and the fesibility of my goal is always in doubt. I figure most of my opponents are like 15 yrs old Korean nerds with so much time of their hand. How can I compete? My experience confirms this: 35% win rate after 80+ games. I realised I was going nowhere. Until I read this. Then, I started to pay more attention to my losses, understand why I lose and how I could do better.

Miraclously, my winrates slowly approach 50% in a few days. Not that I improved a lot, for my play is still very weak. But my decision making skills improved and I learnt to avoid certain decision that could possibly put me in a dire position. This, coupled with few games which the opponent really sucks, allow me to reach D+ today. Nothing spectular. ICCUP didn't even congulate me or anything for earning a new rank. And my play is still incredibly weak.

I didn't really felt much satisfaction as i would expect upon earning the rank. I still have not decided whether i want to climb up to C-. Heck, i might not even maintain my 2000+ rating. Perhaps its time to find something else to do.

So, whats my advice for aspiring but struggling D players?

1. Play against stronger opponent, for that exposes your weakness so that you can remedy it.
2. Dun care about APM. Ahzz plays with like 140 apm at B level.

Took a long time writing this. Hope you enjoy reading this as much as i do writing. Good Day.

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In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
November 05 2008 16:57 GMT
#2
D players? at D level you dont really need mechanic, you can win with just strategy and superior tactic/build order.

although I guess pure mechanic wins too
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 05 2008 17:01 GMT
#3
that just took me back 10 years when I was setting bnet ladder goals for myself to achieve a 1000 rating

(went down to 850, restarting is for losers)
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.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
November 05 2008 17:07 GMT
#4
At D imo just focus on your mechanics, tahts all you need....if you ever want to become a good player it all starts at mechanics, dont waste time analyzing ALL your replays WHY I LOSE WHY I LOSE? The fact is that most people know how to play the game because they watch it over and over on VODs and what not, and know the basic BO's and know generally what you're supposed to do, but just dont have the mechanics to pull it off, so just work on that imo

Anyway congrats man =D
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 05 2008 17:27 GMT
#5
I just hit D+ last night too

pretty disappointed it took me that long, but even though my tvz improved a lot, my tvp now went to horrible
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
November 05 2008 17:35 GMT
#6
I can't get out of D+ T___T (To C-) when I'm actually a C player.... WTF is wrong with me??? Iccup suddently just became some noob bashing pit.
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
November 05 2008 17:38 GMT
#7
On November 06 2008 02:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
I can't get out of D+ T___T (To C-) when I'm actually a C player.... WTF is wrong with me??? Iccup suddently just became some noob bashing pit.


Uh.. maybe you're not a C player then?

Unless iCCup has reset recently then there should be no problem getting out of D ranks at this point in the season. If you are truly a C player it's like a walk in the park.
It felt like gravity.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
November 05 2008 17:38 GMT
#8
I just hit D+ too! Lets all have a D+ lovefest!

Seriously though, my realization also came that success on the D level is ALL ABOUT MECHANICS. If you have all your workers mining, enough production facilities always going, and proper detection, you will win 90% of your games.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
November 05 2008 17:40 GMT
#9
I actually play at 1 am as it is the only time I get to do so >.> so I guess it's because I go up against the awaken koreans...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 05 2008 17:41 GMT
#10
On November 06 2008 02:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
I can't get out of D+ T___T (To C-) when I'm actually a C player.... WTF is wrong with me??? Iccup suddently just became some noob bashing pit.


It gets harder for every rank

D to D+ is nothing compared to D+ to C-... or B to B+ etc.... huga
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
November 05 2008 17:42 GMT
#11
Yeah the difference between ranks is enormous. I've hit C+ at one point but I can't even contemplate hitting B-
It felt like gravity.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
November 05 2008 17:53 GMT
#12
On an unrelated note, is opening DT in PvT "cheese"?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 05 2008 17:58 GMT
#13
On November 06 2008 02:38 Straylight wrote:
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On November 06 2008 02:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
I can't get out of D+ T___T (To C-) when I'm actually a C player.... WTF is wrong with me??? Iccup suddently just became some noob bashing pit.


Uh.. maybe you're not a C player then?

Unless iCCup has reset recently then there should be no problem getting out of D ranks at this point in the season. If you are truly a C player it's like a walk in the park.


nah plenty of C people from last season have issues hitting it now (like they're stuck at C- whereas last season C was ezwalk).

Although sounds like it's time for you to train korean style! Doing one BO over and over is damn nice, helping my PvZ out so much O.O (especially if you play only infrequently like I do.)
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 05 2008 17:59 GMT
#14
On November 06 2008 02:53 GeneralStan wrote:
On an unrelated note, is opening DT in PvT "cheese"?

I don't think it's really considered cheese anymore. T's current build (1 fact siege expand into ebay) means that if they suspect tech, they'll probably be able to fend it off without you doing any damage.

congrats on making it to the D+ ranking. Starcraft is a game that rewards practice, as you've clearly found out xD
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
November 05 2008 18:01 GMT
#15
On November 06 2008 02:53 GeneralStan wrote:
On an unrelated note, is opening DT in PvT "cheese"?


I'd say only the 1-base 1-gate tech variety
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
November 05 2008 18:14 GMT
#16
Cheese is just a term given by noobs to a strategy that they can't deal with and lose everytime to it because they fail to adapt or figure out some way to nullify such tactic.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
November 05 2008 18:31 GMT
#17
On November 06 2008 03:14 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Cheese is just a term given by noobs to a strategy that they can't deal with and lose everytime to it because they fail to adapt or figure out some way to nullify such tactic.

2 gate proxy - definitely cheese
BBS proxy - definitely cheese
5 pool - definitely cheese

the definition gets hazier from there
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 05 2008 18:49 GMT
#18
On November 06 2008 02:53 GeneralStan wrote:
On an unrelated note, is opening DT in PvT "cheese"?


if you centergate hardcore rush yes
if it comes out at a reasonable time, its the terrans fault for either not scouting, or playing the percentages and getting burned
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 05 2008 18:51 GMT
#19
Its just annoying when you see D+ 2800 rank protosses go for a hardcore dt rush and if the terran defends it they fucking collapse and die cause thats all they ever fucking do and they win with it and terran doesnt have a cloaked unit that does 40 fucking damage WHAT THE FUCK
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
November 05 2008 19:04 GMT
#20
On November 06 2008 03:51 fusionsdf wrote:
Its just annoying when you see D+ 2800 rank protosses go for a hardcore dt rush and if the terran defends it they fucking collapse and die cause thats all they ever fucking do and they win with it and terran doesnt have a cloaked unit that does 40 fucking damage WHAT THE FUCK


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