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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 27 2008 22:46 GMT
#1
In an effort to expand my culinary horizons, I have decided to stop eating meat and go vegetarian for a few months. This is a pretty big change from my usual diet, as I've traditionally been quite the carnivore.

Now I would like to ask the people of TL for advice on going vegetarian. Any recipes, recommendations on types of food/cuisine, or random tips would be appreciated.

SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
September 27 2008 22:48 GMT
#2
I'm not sure if this helps, but I know you definitely have to eat a variety of vegetables or you get really sick. You need the variety because your body can't synthesize all the amino acids you need from just a couple of vegetables.

hope that helps.
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
September 27 2008 22:49 GMT
#3
Also, do you mean just normal Vegetarian or Vegan? There is a difference.
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Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
September 27 2008 22:50 GMT
#4
Yeah you will need beans and stuff like that to make up for the loss of the amino-acids from meat. If you're thinking about a longer period you will probably need some pills to make up for the rarer stuff.

Anyways, go falafel!
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
September 27 2008 22:51 GMT
#5
On September 28 2008 07:50 Makhno wrote:
Yeah you will need beans and stuff like that to make up for the loss of the amino-acids from meat. If you're thinking about a longer period you will probably need some pills to make up for the rarer stuff.

Anyways, go falafel!


Are you sure you need pills? O.o
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
September 27 2008 22:51 GMT
#6
Why would you try to expand your horizons by limiting yourself to vegetables? Just add more vegetables into your diet and cut down on the meat.
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 23:05:45
September 27 2008 23:03 GMT
#7
On September 28 2008 07:48 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
I'm not sure if this helps, but I know you definitely have to eat a variety of vegetables or you get really sick. You need the variety because your body can't synthesize all the amino acids you need from just a couple of vegetables.

hope that helps.
True, but also keep in mind that you don't need to have a constant variety everyday. If you spread out your different food types (for lack of a better term) throughout a week you'll still be fine.

For example, eat only leafy greens one day, eat grains the next, eat fruits the next, etc. Or mix and match through the different days, as long as you get all the nutrients you need within a reasonable time (say a week or two) you'll be fine.

A lot of people get turned off from being vegetarian because they think there's a lot of work involved to keep track of a balanced diet, when in reality it shouldn't take too much thought. I'm only turned off from being vegetarian because I like burgers too much
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 27 2008 23:10 GMT
#8
On September 28 2008 07:51 paper wrote:
Why would you try to expand your horizons by limiting yourself to vegetables? Just add more vegetables into your diet and cut down on the meat.


It's to make myself try vegetarian dishes that I would normally not even consider when there's a meat option available.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 23:33:13
September 27 2008 23:17 GMT
#9
Alright, people, I'm challenging the assertion that you're suddenly gonna have a protein deficiency from going veg unless you're VERY careful and eat a crapload of beans or whatever.

First of all, what happens if you get a protein deficiency? You should know, so you have a way of telling when someone does get a protein deficiency. How many people have you ever seen or heard of who exhibited symptoms of protein deficiency? In the first world, it's rarer than cancer. Heck, probably harder to find than cases of "I shot myself in the foot I thought it wasn't loaded."

It's true that no single plant source has all 11 (9?) of the "essential" amino acids (essential because the human body can't produce the other ones, and must find an external source). This doesn't mean that you're going to have to find 10 exotic different types of plants to munch on every day, it means that you're going to have to find more than 1 type of plant to eat. Something as simple as beans and corn will supply all the protein you'll ever need.

Addressing silly arguments aside, I'll admit that I really don't have anything to suggest. Sorry Slithe I usually end up eating anything that's vegan because it's just that hard to find it in Korea. I really like curry and spaghetti o.O

I guess it would be counterproductive for your purposes to use fake meat.
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 27 2008 23:36 GMT
#10
To clarify, I'm not going full vegan, and I will still drink milk and eat cheese.

Regarding protein intake, I was under the impression that it wouldn't be a problem since I plan on eating a fair amount of soy and drinking milk.

Are there any other nutritional concerns that I should be aware of besides protein?
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
September 27 2008 23:43 GMT
#11
Dunno how reliable the sources this article cites are, but it seems to be making a much stronger assertion that I was: don't worry about protein; it's a non-issue. Anecdotally, I've been vegan for 5+ years and have never paid any attention to my diet, and have never shown any symptoms of protein deficiency.

I'd say any other nutritional concerns would be pretty much common sense stuff. I lived exclusively off of potato chips and french fries for a couple of months. Surprisingly, I didn't get indigestion or diarrhea. I don't eat much, so I didn't even gain weight. But it started tasting like blood (!!?!) after a while, so I switched over to... ramen..... Probably not a good idea if you want to stay healthy.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11556 Posts
September 28 2008 00:05 GMT
#12
Soy beans and tofu are going to be your best friend.
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
September 28 2008 00:08 GMT
#13
my parents are both vegan. i think they get most of their protein from lentil curries however as bottleabuser said as long as you're eating a sensible, varied diet i don't think protein deficiency is a huge problem unless you plan on building muscle etc. (though there is this one huge german bodybuilder who is vegan - iirc he eats tofu for most of his protein needs).
i recommend looking for indian recipes online (youtube videos are great) if you're a good enough cook. a lot of indians (southern, especially) are vegan due to religion so they got that shit on lock down.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
September 28 2008 00:18 GMT
#14
There used to be a myth that claimed you had to eat several vegetables in the same meat to get all the amino acids to make all the protein.

While it's true that no vegetable contains high concentrations of all the essential amino acids, which meat does, your body can synthesise them fine. Unless you eat nothing but the same vegetable every day.

Another myth says vegetables on average are too low on protein and you need something like beans. This is a myth as well. Humans eat way too much protein and many vegetables have sufficient protein.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
September 28 2008 00:47 GMT
#15
My recommendation is to not go vegetarian.
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
September 28 2008 01:33 GMT
#16
On September 28 2008 09:47 Mastermind wrote:
My recommendation is to not go vegetarian.


Why? Being a vegetarian isn't bad. In fact, it's a lot healthier to be a vegetarian then it is to be a vegan. People think, "Omg, he's going to die because he's a vegetarian. He won't get enough protein." Be serious. There's a lot of foods that contain protein and aren't meat.

For example:
1. Beans (High in fiber, and contains proteins).
2. Peanuts (Good on proteins).
3. Walnuts.
4. Broccoli.

Vegetarian is a good life choice. If people would start eating more green food, and less meat America wouldn't be such a fat country.
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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6774 Posts
September 28 2008 01:38 GMT
#17
Proteins arent a factor?
Its vitamin B12 I think
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inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
September 28 2008 01:47 GMT
#18
I've been a vegetarian for 11 years and am still alive. I hope you like tofu. You will quickly learn to cook it well. Look for indian recipes, as hundreds of millions of them are vegetarian and eat very tasty food. Cook rice and mix it with different kinds of daal (lentils).
As xeofreestyler says, vitamin B12 is important. It and B6 are the only vitamins not present in vegetables. Eat eggs and dairy to get it.
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Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-28 03:00:25
September 28 2008 03:00 GMT
#19
Hitler was a vegetarian, as Bill Bailey says:

"Just goes to show, vegetarianism not all it's cracked up to be, can in some rare instances lead to genocide. "
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
September 28 2008 04:38 GMT
#20
On September 28 2008 12:00 Energies wrote:
Hitler was a vegetarian, as Bill Bailey says:

"Just goes to show, vegetarianism not all it's cracked up to be, can in some rare instances lead to genocide. "


Hahhahaha.
Karma is a bitch
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
September 28 2008 04:50 GMT
#21
Hitler wasn't vegetarian.

Hahhahaha.

Why the fuck is that even relevant -_-
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
September 28 2008 04:55 GMT
#22
Wait, just wondering
How can you be a vegetarian, and get your daily servings of like, meat, fish, and protein stuff such as those?
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404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
September 28 2008 05:12 GMT
#23
Ask Artosis about it ^-^


He's learned to survive in South Korea as a vegetarian. That's pretty impressive. ^^;;
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
September 28 2008 05:13 GMT
#24
On September 28 2008 13:50 BottleAbuser wrote:
Hitler wasn't vegetarian.

Hahhahaha.

Why the fuck is that even relevant -_-


As stated by Godwin's Law, it was inevitable that Hitler would sooner or later show up in the thread.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
September 28 2008 05:21 GMT
#25
Folca, what does that "food pyramid" mean? Other than that it represents what the FDA says is "recommended." Obviously doesn't mean "you'll die if you don't do this" or even "you'll get sick if you don't do this," and it doesn't mean "you'll be healthy if you do this" (plenty of unhealthy people who follow that kind of diet). So what does it mean, and why do you want to follow it?

Yeah, but if we really respected Godwin's Law, we'd have closed the thread right away.

To illustrate why such an argument is idiotic...
+ Show Spoiler +
Some Jews actually fucking KILLED Jesus. What the FUCK?! Jews must be crazy hahahahahah. That means that the guy who kills Jews must be a good man!!! !!1one
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
September 28 2008 06:37 GMT
#26
On September 28 2008 14:21 BottleAbuser wrote:
To illustrate why such an argument is idiotic...
+ Show Spoiler +
Some Jews actually fucking KILLED Jesus. What the FUCK?! Jews must be crazy hahahahahah. That means that the guy who kills Jews must be a good man!!! !!1one


Oh great. The infamous Nazi metaphor. Welp, I guess you can't expect to enter any internet argument and not get called a Nazi at some point.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
October 01 2008 02:25 GMT
#27
B12 isn't an issue either. Or at least shouldn't be. We aren't discussing veganism.

One of the biggest issues may be that you end up eating more carbs and that you'll may eat more to feel satisfied. You''ll eat healtier but you may gain weight.
GrayArea
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States872 Posts
October 01 2008 02:30 GMT
#28
On September 28 2008 10:47 inlagdsil wrote:
I've been a vegetarian for 11 years and am still alive. I hope you like tofu. You will quickly learn to cook it well. Look for indian recipes, as hundreds of millions of them are vegetarian and eat very tasty food. Cook rice and mix it with different kinds of daal (lentils).
As xeofreestyler says, vitamin B12 is important. It and B6 are the only vitamins not present in vegetables. Eat eggs and dairy to get it.


Sup my fellow Indian

My parents are vegetarian, so a lot of the food we eat is vegetarian. Because I'm Indian, we mainly eat a lot of different types of curries that are made from different vegetables. We eat daal with rice too (which is like the standard Indian rice thing). So ya, look up Indian food, there are tons of Indian recipes that are vegetarian.
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
October 01 2008 02:31 GMT
#29
On October 01 2008 11:25 BlackStar wrote:
B12 isn't an issue either. Or at least shouldn't be. We aren't discussing veganism.

One of the biggest issues may be that you end up eating more carbs and that you'll may eat more to feel satisfied. You''ll eat healtier but you may gain weight.
Well if he makes sure to eat enough fiber, he'll still be able to get that full feeling without eating too much.
jjl
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States85 Posts
October 01 2008 03:41 GMT
#30
(Jumping in slightly OT)
Just FYI, the average French person consumes 4 times as much better and 10 times as much alcohol as the average American. Yet, the French have the 2nd lowest rate of deaths due to heart failure (the lowest being Japan). If you buy into all of the debate about how diet is the sole (or the biggest) indicator of health, you might understand the Japan one, but certainly not the French one. This "French Paradox" itself is also in debate, but the statistics do show that they generally consume more animal fat, more butter, a higher ratio of saturated fat, and 3 times as much pork (according to Wikipedia).

There are other reasons to eat vegetarian too, such as what the OP wanted (and I'm not here to debate that), but when I first read about the "French paradox" I was pretty blown away. I can now eat bacon, large quantities of it too, without restraint or feelings of guilt. Sure, it's probably bad for me in some way or another, but I'm happy with this excuse :-)
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 01 2008 12:38 GMT
#31
You'll be fine with protein and that stuff, just keep up with the milk and get some legumes.

What you're going to be short on is the juicy, tender taste of flesh.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
October 01 2008 14:24 GMT
#32
On October 01 2008 21:38 Jibba wrote:
You'll be fine with protein and that stuff, just keep up with the milk and get some legumes.

What you're going to be short on is the juicy, tender taste of flesh.
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
October 01 2008 14:32 GMT
#33
lol that hitler vegetarian connection is so irrelevant

just like people somehow bring up stalin when atheism is concerned

even grown ups do this how can anyone be so retarded
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
October 01 2008 15:11 GMT
#34
goshh, what a tasty piece of meat.
gonna eat some now
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nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
October 01 2008 18:02 GMT
#35
My recommendations all allow for mucho experimentation to find the optimal balance for you.

Hummus - a really tasty dip, essentially a bean dip. It is kind of a mediterranean/middle eastern food, perfect for dipping cellery or carrots, or putting on bread as a dip or to make a sandwich. Good protein, very healthy, etc. Look for a more detailed recipe. You need a blender or processor. 1 can chickpeas. A jar of tahini (like peanutbutter, except made of sesame seeds). Olive oil. Lemon juice. Fresh garlic. Black pepper. Water. Oregano or parsley. Salt. Add all that shit togehter and blend it for a few minutes and you get hummus. I also recommend adding something hot, like red chile pepper flakes. See a recipe for the proportions.

"Indian" style lentils. Throw a bunch of lentils in a pan with water, boil. Add a chunk of butter, add salt, add curry, add red chile pepper, add chile powder, add garlic. Cook for about 20 minutes or until lentils are nice and soft. Enjoy~

Apple smoothy: Blender. An apple, preferably of large size. (My favorite is the pink lady variety, but lately I use Red Delicious due to price/availability). Spinach. Flax seed. Add a "good" amount of water to the blender (a half cup maybe? A whole cup? - I just experimented and judge by sight - I'm not an expert chef). Add 8 heaping TEAspoons of flax seed (a good amount of flax seed). Add as much spinach as the blender can hold (maybe 4 big handfuls). Slice up the apple and add that. Blend. Enjoy! This is a very green mixture, and very tasty. I don't much taste the spinach or flax, but rather the spinach and flax just kind of mellow out the apple flavor, so essentially it is a very mellow apple drink. You can experiment by adding other stuff... I drink this smoothy every day, and consider it a good way to get a good helping of flax seed and raw greens. the apple is just for flavor. I say this because one might be tempted to add lots of flavorful fruity shit to their smoothy to get something really tasty, but my philosophy is that you should add as much of the healthy bland stuff, and use a LITTLE fruit to make it taste good. Fruit normally tastes awesome anyway, so just eat that separate. But you could experiment with adding sprouted wheat berries to the mix - it makes it thicker and a little less good, but WAY more healthy. Only reason I don't do that is it just makes it a lil more time consuming than I'd like.

Simple "mediterranean" salad: A few handfuls of spinach, some red onion, a tomato (sliced), feta cheese, and possibly kalamata olives. Add olive oil and hot chile flakes. This goes EXCELLENT with pasta or pizza.

I'm a vegetarian. My diet is far from optimal (I eat pizza once or twice a week. I eat a good bit of pasta.) I eat lots of salads. Lots of fruit and greens and carrots! In a given day, I might eat a few apples, a few oranges, and a few bananas. I eat a good amount of whole grain bread, often with olive oil. I eat LOTS of beans and rice (pintos with red chile sauce). I love lentils and Indian food.

BottleAbuser is right, if you eat even a small variety of whole (unprocessed) foods - preferably organic - you'll be totally healthy.

As a vegetarian - and this applies for everyone - you should avoid soy, refined sugar, trans fats, aspartame and other artificial sweeteners, and MSG. Soy is heavily marketed to vegetarians, and it blocks absorption of essential vitamins and minerals, while also dosing you with estrogen. It should not be consumed except when fermented. (Avoid tofu, soy milk, soy ice cream, soy burgers, etc).
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
October 01 2008 20:07 GMT
#36
I wanted to be vegetarian or at least drastically reduce the meat I eat. But it's so hard to find veg food. I don't cook, I have no idea how to make raw rice eatable. And there is literally only 1 (ONE) vegetarian restaurant in my town, and they only open for lunch and only during weekdays.

I don't really care about eating healthy stuff I believe I'm healthy enough. I just wanted to reduce the amount of meat because of all the multiple ecological impacts associated with it. But it's so hard to find good vegetarian food when I go out to eat ><

Are there some noodles easy level meatless food that I could buy? I mean those soy beefs, I love those but they look so hard to make. Is there an easy way around?
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 01 2008 21:03 GMT
#37
I think a solid first step to becoming a vegetarian would be to move out of Brazil. It's gotta be even harder there than Texas.
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
October 01 2008 23:54 GMT
#38
Why do you say that? We got lots of bananas ^^
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lesser_good
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada698 Posts
October 02 2008 00:02 GMT
#39
ima vagiterian ::
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