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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
September 23 2008 15:37 GMT
#1
hey,

i just played this game on iccup and i want you guys to tell me if the guy i played is "clean" or not... i don'T want you to judge my play here (i'm d or even d- level). but just by looking at the numbers in bwchart - 130 probes built, 63 zealots and 39 goons and a total of 334 supply in a 9 minute game - it seems a bit suspicious to me.

i'm practice73
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=6396&key=5b260c

thanks in advance

*
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
September 23 2008 15:43 GMT
#2
dont trust bwchart
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 23 2008 15:46 GMT
#3
Sometimes it says wierd stuff like "50 carriers built"

I think it counts even the "null" actions so every time he even tries to build a goon or probe even if he dosent have the money for it, bwchart registers it as a "built unit".
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
September 23 2008 15:47 GMT
#4
alright i see... i use bwchart for quite long now but i never mentioned that

thanks guys
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 16:02:09
September 23 2008 16:02 GMT
#5
watch the replay yourself

does he make 130 probes?
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
September 23 2008 16:07 GMT
#6
If you spam P 5 times before it makes a probe then it says you made 5 probes.
Nak Allstar.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-23 16:29:26
September 23 2008 16:28 GMT
#7
On September 24 2008 01:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
watch the replay yourself

does he make 130 probes?


no obviously he doesn't. but like i said, i never mentioned that bwchart prints out wrong numbers. that's why i asked.

On September 24 2008 01:07 MiniRoman wrote:
If you spam P 5 times before it makes a probe then it says you made 5 probes.


actually it doesn't do that as far as i know. it only does that if you queue them up doesn't it?
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
September 23 2008 17:20 GMT
#8
On September 24 2008 01:28 jhNz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2008 01:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
watch the replay yourself

does he make 130 probes?


no obviously he doesn't. but like i said, i never mentioned that bwchart prints out wrong numbers. that's why i asked.

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2008 01:07 MiniRoman wrote:
If you spam P 5 times before it makes a probe then it says you made 5 probes.


actually it doesn't do that as far as i know. it only does that if you queue them up doesn't it?

No, I'm pretty sure MiniRoman is right. If you try to build probes when you don't have enough minerals, it actually registers that action
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
September 23 2008 17:46 GMT
#9
I AM MOST DEFINITELY CORRECT. Most people just dont spam like that cause its a waste of time, but I do. Also canceling wont reduce your unit count in BWChart.
Nak Allstar.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
September 23 2008 17:57 GMT
#10
Spam FTW
w/e
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 23 2008 20:07 GMT
#11
actually it doesn't do that as far as i know. it only does that if you queue them up doesn't it?

You might not notice because BWChart doesn't include actions from the first 2 minutes anyway.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 23 2008 22:05 GMT
#12
It does count them, but there is a limit to how many times in a row they will count it. that is, if you spam "probe" 100 times in a row (money or not) it will only count the first 5 (3?) or so and the rest are not counted.

I think.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
September 23 2008 23:13 GMT
#13
Also spamming atleast for scv:s and most likely all units when you dont have the money for them makes the "mineral" graph weird/bugged.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Ivs
Profile Joined January 2008
Australia139 Posts
September 24 2008 00:28 GMT
#14
A replay only holds the actions perfomed by the players. Without running a "real time simulation" of those actions (like playing the replay), there's no way to tell whether an action is valid or not. In reality, depends on how much a persion spam, there might be tonnes of invalid actions.

BWchart calculates resources count, food supply, unit/building count depending on the actions without checking validity (as it is impossible to), that's why you get weird numbers. That's why don't rely on it to give accurate information in those areas.
sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
September 24 2008 00:43 GMT
#15
should i trust bwchart's apm counter?
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 24 2008 01:39 GMT
#16
Shit should we trust BWchart at all anymore
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