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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8091 Posts
September 08 2008 04:39 GMT
#1
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.

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Free Palestine
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
September 08 2008 04:42 GMT
#2
yea, it's good to have them do it to you until you learn to deal with it most of the times

and when you do learn, it's still cool cause it's easy points or simply an interesting intense game from early on
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 08 2008 04:42 GMT
#3
On September 08 2008 13:39 Ideas wrote:
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.


Welcome to competitive ladders
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
September 08 2008 04:51 GMT
#4
On September 08 2008 13:39 Ideas wrote:
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.



At this point in the season you will gain a huge advantage ZvP and ZvT going 10hat/10pool/10 lord .... at the lower levels it happends alot.

Vs me you overreacted to rines and my tech put me far ahead.... I was on my terran learning account.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8091 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-08 04:52:28
September 08 2008 04:52 GMT
#5
On September 08 2008 13:42 DanceCommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 13:39 Ideas wrote:
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.


Welcome to competitive ladders



lol

I don't really want to be competitive, just play vs people near my skill level :\
Free Palestine
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 08 2008 04:53 GMT
#6
I was playing an iCCup game yesterday, I just started this season last night so I was D, and my opponent was D also, so Idk if he was on same level, worse, or better. That said I scouted him pretty quickly (TvT game) and saw he bearly had anything, with some idle scvs. So stupid me just assumes he is a noob and I continue on with my 1fact FE when 4-6 rines run in with some SCVs. I was pretty pissed, but with some gosu SCV micro, and delaying till my 1st vulture finished, I managed to defend it pretty good then he gg'ed. Fucking bunk rush pisses me off so much, yet I love doing it myself. I guess thats how ladder matches roll O_o
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 08 2008 04:55 GMT
#7
On September 08 2008 13:52 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 13:42 DanceCommander wrote:
On September 08 2008 13:39 Ideas wrote:
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.


Welcome to competitive ladders



lol

I don't really want to be competitive, just play vs people near my skill level :\

Yeah this is what I hated about WGT when I played it years ago. Everyone cheesed, it isn't until higher up the ladder you start to get quality games. (Sure the odd time you'll get them around D/C levels)

Meh just take your loss with the pride of knowing that they'll never get any better by just cheesing every game.
Not bad for a cat toy.
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 08 2008 04:58 GMT
#8
On September 08 2008 13:52 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 13:42 DanceCommander wrote:
On September 08 2008 13:39 Ideas wrote:
Out of the last 15 games vs T, all but 1 tried some sort of gay bunker-rush or marines/SCVs al-in attack. WTF.


And more than half the time it works on me


On the plus side, I think I do a lot better vs the gayness now.


Welcome to competitive ladders



lol

I don't really want to be competitive, just play vs people near my skill level :\


Then you should play late season, or on Bnet
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7886 Posts
September 08 2008 10:35 GMT
#9
I mean, I think it's normal Terrans cheese. If you are off guard against a terran, you lose, cuz one of the advantage of this race is its ability to all-in.

When Boxer 3-0'd Yellow, everybody had to rethink zerg bo's to be able to react.

Maybe today's zerg bos are just too ambitious for most people.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
September 08 2008 11:06 GMT
#10
Yeah, I run into it a lot too. More last season though. Now I'm far better at blocking bunker rushes than I am blocking the sunk break.
parasite
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 08 2008 11:53 GMT
#11
You cry about 1 kind of all in rush.. Please play terran for 10 games and tell me how many different kinds of cheese you will go through.

2 Gate Zeal
Offrobo
Offgate
In - Base - Gate
Ultra Fast DT
2 Base Carrier
5 Pool
9 Pool Speed
4 Hatch Ling All In..

ETC ._.!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
September 08 2008 15:10 GMT
#12
On September 08 2008 20:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:
You cry about 1 kind of all in rush.. Please play terran for 10 games and tell me how many different kinds of cheese you will go through.

2 Gate Zeal
Offrobo
Offgate
In - Base - Gate
Ultra Fast DT
2 Base Carrier
5 Pool
9 Pool Speed
4 Hatch Ling All In..

ETC ._.!

This man shares my pain
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
September 08 2008 15:39 GMT
#13
noob question about ICCup...how does one check the current MotW?
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
September 08 2008 15:41 GMT
#14
/motw
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CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
September 08 2008 15:55 GMT
#15
I used to build cannons inside my oppnents main, it was really cheese and it gave a 50%+ wining record, and it required very little skill.

But it was just retarded... I want to get better and have fun playing, so now i almost never cheese, not even DT rushes, i just go for really long games that allow to practice macro, micro, timing and all of that, and now i win less than one third of my games, but i enjoy it a lot more.
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.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
September 08 2008 16:21 GMT
#16
I haven't played this season yet though I will get around to playing so I don't know like a good estimate of games being cheeses, but like just 12 pool zvt and 9 pool zvp. like 12 pool zvt is so strong these days cause I think that a lot of terrans have gotten used to like 12 hatch timings, and sometimes those quick lings can like easily destroy a terran that isnt thinking straight, though of course this won't happen very often because GOOD Terrans know how to deal with this easily. so basically 12 pool is a really safe opener and can transition really well into a 3 hatch tech, you just have to adjust a bit more to the timings but overall it can also be used aggressively if the terran is too greedy.

And like 9 pool zvp is just really good overall cuz speed lings destroy 2 gate zeals and if he FE's he wont get much out of it since he has to make 2 cannons and pull 2-3 probes(and if he doesnt you just runby), + u can transition into a 2 base build really easily even versus a protoss thats doing like a 1 base build
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
gochoon
Profile Joined September 2008
United States10 Posts
September 08 2008 16:32 GMT
#17
On September 09 2008 01:21 VyzhiS wrote:
I haven't played this season yet though I will get around to playing so I don't know like a good estimate of games being cheeses, but like just 12 pool zvt and 9 pool zvp. like 12 pool zvt is so strong these days cause I think that a lot of terrans have gotten used to like 12 hatch timings, and sometimes those quick lings can like easily destroy a terran that isnt thinking straight, though of course this won't happen very often because GOOD Terrans know how to deal with this easily. so basically 12 pool is a really safe opener and can transition really well into a 3 hatch tech, you just have to adjust a bit more to the timings but overall it can also be used aggressively if the terran is too greedy.

And like 9 pool zvp is just really good overall cuz speed lings destroy 2 gate zeals and if he FE's he wont get much out of it since he has to make 2 cannons and pull 2-3 probes(and if he doesnt you just runby), + u can transition into a 2 base build really easily even versus a protoss thats doing like a 1 base build


jus liek dat? cuz if u dont see probes liek block canon u cant liek know when to run in and liek 1 base protoss will own liek 2 base build after like 9 pool?
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
September 08 2008 17:33 GMT
#18
ok first of all, you really should stop watching PurePwnage or trying to immitate Jeremy. Basically what you do is you bring your both your overlords once you realize where his base is obviously. You park one to see his ramp/entrance to his main then you can see when you have an opportunity (overlords generally have time to get to the bases on most the maps except like big maps e.g andro cross) but then if that does happen, you can just micro your lings a bit to get a glimpse, even if you lose like 1 you can still manage a runby but usually protoss will ALWAYS pull probes(unless they're noob or you're vs'ing smoeone you really know - where mindgames come into play) to block the POSSIBILITY of a runby. In starcraft you don't need to do things like DROP or whatever, better yet you just have to THREATEN the POSSIBILITY of a drop/runby/whatever you want, and the player (assuming he is good) HAS to take the PRECAUTIO to DEFEND the POSSIBILTY, and if he doesn't well you just drop/runby/whatever you want and he dies anyway.

For instance this is why Terrans apply pressure to zerg. They move out with rines not always to do a sunk break but to THREATEN the ACTUAL sunk break, in which case zerg has to react even though the terran won't really try something like a sunken break (or doesn't want to)

So theoretically a 9 pool vs FE doesn't really put you behind macro wise because the protoss loses 300 minerals to cannons and has 2-3 probes not mining for a while.

Secondly, yes it is possible that a 1 base toss will rape a 2 base zerg but it always depends on what is happening. I said that 9 pool DOES INDEED open the possibility for a transition into 2 base play (e.g when the protoss is doing a 1 base reaver build, 2 hatch muta destroys the reaver assuming you block the initial zealot pressure/harass) but it is not necessairy to actually do a 2 base build vs 1 base protoss (by 2 base I mean 2 hatch ) but generally you do need a faster tech to cope with a protoss tech unless you're planning on like staying tier 1 for a long time with hydras.
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
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