• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:05
CEST 19:05
KST 02:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen Gypsy to Korea How Can I Add Timer & APM Count? [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group E [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1504 users

Pigeons

Blogs > ThePhan2m
Post a Reply
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
September 05 2008 06:32 GMT
#1
It's a day I feel like blogging after a night of hard work. I come to think of Pigeons.

About a year ago, I saw a Pigeon die. He didnt have the same reaction time as the other Pigeons, unlucky Pigeon. So a car drove straight into it, and hit exactly so he drove over it. It rolled around the weel, and I just heard the "snatch" sound. It broke his neck, a silent moment, and next thing I see is loads of blood floating out from the tiny creature. Wierd moment, never seen it happen like that. And back then, I remember lauging abit. Cruel laugh. You know, "lol unlucky piece of shit animal lol"

So, about 2 weeks ago, I was at work. And a pigeon flys into my work place (gas station) We have huge glas windows, and this is in the middle of the day. And guess what the poor pigeon does, he sees light, and boom. And guess what he does again? He trys again, and "BOOM". So he is still alive, and a thrid time. Its kinda sad to watch. But the fourth time he fails, and I manage to scare it into the storage room. And about an hour later, after locking myself into a small room with it, tiring him out, and finally manage to catch it after he is exausted of flying. (Bird doesnt get it, that I'm trying to help) So the moment of truth, I let go of it outside, and it flys to its nest nearby, lucky lucky Pigeon.

So my mind goes philosphy mode. Do you think he is thankful? What do you think went trough his mind after that moment? Do you think he knows at the end that im only trying to help? are animals just the same even if you help them over and over again? Im afraid not. But then, it feels so lame, it seems so meaningless. Right?

Agavond
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-05 06:54:07
September 05 2008 06:51 GMT
#2
over analyzing the bird's mentality.

Edit: plain and simple, bird gets trapped it tried to escape but failed due to window. it keeps trying because it sees a clear opening.
O.oSins Since Op Cal
Tehpanda
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States59 Posts
September 05 2008 06:56 GMT
#3
No, it wasn't thankful. Nothing other than blind fear ran through its mind. No, it can't extrapolate that you are, through methods mysterious to it, trying to help it.

But it is the furthest thing from meaningless.

Your act of kindness, while irrelevant to the bird, has caused you to dwell on important, philosophical concepts. You took a step beyond basic self-preservation to offer help to an animal that could not appreciate it and did not want it. Additionally, you exposed yourself to either being actively attacked or unwittingly contracting a disease. You did so at no physical net-gain to yourself at best, and a fairly moderate net loss at worst.

Instead, you gained psychological relief; you were made to dwell on concepts that we as humans all question at some point, and you have amplified that quiet meditation on a large scale by informing the starcraft-going public of your plight. Take meaning from the fact that you have compassion beyond an interest in self-preservation. Take meaning from the fact that you have gained a new outlook on those who need help but refuse to seek it and even react against it. Take meaning from the fact that you have shared your experience with others who can now draw their own conclusions based on their own morality.

And lastly...
On September 05 2008 15:32 ThePhan2m wrote:
Do you think he is thankful? What do you think went trough his mind after that moment? Do you think he knows at the end that im only trying to help? are animals just the same even if you help them over and over again? Im afraid not. But then, it feels so lame, it seems so meaningless. Right?


I bet this is how God feels ALL THE TIME!
Error: 1641 SQLSTATE: HY000 (ER_MISSING_SIG): User signature not found.
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
September 05 2008 06:57 GMT
#4
If the bird is dumb enough to fly into the same window four times, I doubt it can thankful for you saving it.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
September 05 2008 07:04 GMT
#5
Don't worry in the next pigeon blog it is going to thank you.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
September 05 2008 07:07 GMT
#6
Kinda see where you're coming from. I save little flies from my wine/fruit juice all the time. I really doubt they know what's going on when they get scooped out of the glass with the tip of a knife, let alone be thankful, but on the other side I reckon they're aware they're drowning since if you leave them they keep thrashing about. I guess some people like to not help them but agnostic as I am I just save them in case they do value life in some way.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
September 05 2008 07:21 GMT
#7
Pholon, I kill flies all the time, I dont value them at all. But Pigeons, they seem different. They seem more valuble.
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
September 05 2008 07:28 GMT
#8
i don't think the bird gives a rat's ass what you were trying to do
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
September 05 2008 07:31 GMT
#9
I dont think that either, but I still have hope, that somewhat, it understands ^^
Pigeon
Profile Joined September 2008
1 Post
September 05 2008 07:57 GMT
#10
Thank you.
There I said it, no need to go philosophical with this shit man.
Damn. . .
operwolf
Profile Joined April 2008
United States324 Posts
September 05 2008 08:51 GMT
#11
On September 05 2008 16:57 Pigeon wrote:
Thank you.
There I said it, no need to go philosophical with this shit man.
Damn. . .

lol
He'll end up dead, because he'll die.
Soul1462
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States21 Posts
September 05 2008 08:58 GMT
#12
Maybe the pigeon thought he could break though the glass to a epic escape!
Lol
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
September 05 2008 09:34 GMT
#13
On September 05 2008 16:57 Pigeon wrote:
Thank you.
There I said it, no need to go philosophical with this shit man.
Damn. . .


haha...
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .403
ProTech140
Vindicta 86
BRAT_OK 70
MindelVK 22
JuggernautJason18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33613
Mini 454
Soulkey 236
Dewaltoss 118
sorry 82
scan(afreeca) 80
firebathero 63
Shinee 47
Rock 25
Shine 16
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 15
Bale 9
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
syndereN591
monkeys_forever296
420jenkins260
Counter-Strike
fl0m3413
pashabiceps1832
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor440
Liquid`Hasu403
Other Games
FrodaN1357
Grubby1202
B2W.Neo904
Beastyqt781
Mew2King73
QueenE63
Trikslyr31
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL21045
Other Games
gamesdonequick326
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 61
• Freeedom12
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach36
• blackmanpl 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota265
League of Legends
• Jankos1975
Other Games
• Shiphtur169
• imaqtpie33
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
55m
BSL
1h 55m
RSL Revival
13h 55m
Cure vs Rogue
Maru vs TBD
MaxPax vs TBD
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
20h 55m
BSL
1d 1h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.