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Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 16 2008 04:57 GMT
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So I just bought the second book by Gavin Menzies, having read his previous book 1421 the year China discovered America. Great read, and if true I think would rewrite history. That is if scholars would allow it.

But I wonder, you think Mayans, etc would mention something about huge treasure ships of their coasts etc. And the stones or monuments that the Chinese supposedly left could be dated, or at least better described. Also he described the fleets, several of them to be in the hundreds, that traveled the world at the same time, some would have sunk, only three are listed on his site and they are potential. Most credible claims are off the coast of China. But it should be a great read nonetheless, and if someday it turns out to be true, then awesome.

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24751 Posts
June 16 2008 04:59 GMT
#2
So his next one will be 1447?

It's interesting how many different opportunities there are for us to determine if we have been spoon fed historical garbage in school.
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Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
June 16 2008 05:47 GMT
#3
What's the research for / against his first book like?
It felt like gravity.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
June 16 2008 05:57 GMT
#4
whats the 2nd one about?

the 1st one sounds awesome btw ^^ i gotta read it ^^
gusbear
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
333 Posts
June 16 2008 07:27 GMT
#5
i remember watching his 1421 hypothesis on discovery or something, which is suprising since it has been discredited by real historians.
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
June 16 2008 07:32 GMT
#6
On June 16 2008 14:47 Straylight wrote:
What's the research for / against his first book like?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1421_hypothesis
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Bahrain5288 Posts
June 16 2008 08:00 GMT
#7
On June 16 2008 13:59 micronesia wrote:
So his next one will be 1447?


On June 16 2008 14:47 Straylight wrote:
What's the research for / against his first book like?


LOOOOL
Coincidence?
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
June 16 2008 08:01 GMT
#8
From what i know, Gavin Menzies is more or less a conspiracy theorist with no rigorous training in the field he is working in. http://www.1421exposed.com/html/about.html
BigSausage
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada194 Posts
June 16 2008 12:32 GMT
#9
The Chinese fleet is not a myth, it is in official records from Ming dynasty and Qing dynasty. Columbus and shit were not the first ones to discover anything...
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
June 16 2008 12:53 GMT
#10
so where's the 1337 book?
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
June 16 2008 14:07 GMT
#11
On June 16 2008 21:53 minus_human wrote:
so where's the 1337 book?

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