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lilsusie
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goldrush
Canada709 Posts
On April 30 2008 05:56 Ancestral wrote: This is bulls***. Have you ever gone to school and taken an advanced class in anything? In engineering, almost all the work is group work, even in higher math classes. Working together is not even close to plagiarism, and if the teacher doesn't see this he's an idiot. It's biology. If it were a poetry class, I would say that having a 10 line poem in iambic pentameter with only a few words changed in the middle of each line should be autofail. But it's biology, it's a science, and it's a difficult (AP) class, so group work should be encouraged and expected, if not required. Working together is NOT the same as presenting material that contains the exact same content with slightly different wording. You talk together, you discuss the answers and then you go off your separate ways to write the answer. Usually one person will add in some little detail, phrase it in a different manner or change around something. And yes, I've done labs where the teacher specifically said that while working together with your lab partner was encouraged, the reports should not be presented in the same way and if there were doubts on how it would be taken, to err on the side of discretion and just work alone. It's always up to the marker if he thinks that it's plagarism. | ||
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PissedOffEmo
Canada777 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On April 30 2008 06:02 lilsusie wrote: Just an FYI, you can also be called out on plagiarising yourself. Careful with it. Avoiding self-plagiarism is fucking annoying. | ||
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parkin
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On April 30 2008 06:14 goldrush wrote: Working together is NOT the same as presenting material that contains the exact same content with slightly different wording. You talk together, you discuss the answers and then you go off your separate ways to write the answer. Usually one person will add in some little detail, phrase it in a different manner or change around something. And yes, I've done labs where the teacher specifically said that while working together with your lab partner was encouraged, the reports should not be presented in the same way and if there were doubts on how it would be taken, to err on the side of discretion and just work alone. It's always up to the marker if he thinks that it's plagarism. Agreed. I had plenty of classes that encouraged collaboration, but required independent submissions of lab reports, code, projects, etc. I think its fine if the ideas are the same, but if its obvious that two people submitted the same lab report with minor tweaks - death. Ultimately it ends up being at the discretion of the teacher, which should be made abundantly clear prior to work submission. In the case of the OP, I think your teacher is being a hard ass. Its just AP Bio. I'd just apologize and tell your teacher that you were unclear on the class collaboration policy and that it won't happen again. On a side note, do they even list that stuff in high school syllabuses? Do high schools even have syllabuses? I honestly can't remember. Collaboration agreements have been on probably 90% of my college syllabuses. | ||
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iLjh
United States160 Posts
first i would bring a dictionary to your teacher and shoe him (im presuming it's a he) the exact definition of plagiarism... which is stealing someone else's ideas and stating them as your own without giving credibility... then refer to your syllabus and show him that there is no section stating that group work is prohibited (which im assuming there isnt) now with your platform set, here comes the arguing. my main claim would be, if i were to work in together with a friend for this assignment, and we both come to the same conclusion, there aren't many ways to write the conclusion differently. what you did was not plagiarism but a simple matter of co-operative work, and through your cooperation, you both came to the same conclusion, which you both expressed on your papers. you will have to argue your point that you did not plagiarize and that the term "plagiarism" is so subjective that his opinion may not even correspond to that of another teacher. if that doesn't work... bring it to the department head, in this case would be whoever is the head of the biology department or sciences. good luck | ||
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KwarK
United States41656 Posts
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KwarK
United States41656 Posts
On April 30 2008 06:40 mikeymoo wrote: Avoiding self-plagiarism is fucking annoying. I had to redo an assessed essay because it was too similar to one I submitted the term before. I didn't tell the lecturer to redo the questions because they plagiarised the questions he gave last term. Shit should work both ways. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
The best you can do is cut your losses. If you whine about how "but we worked together," the teacher will just treat you like a punkass kid. When you work with your friend in the future, be sure that you explain things entirely in your own words. Even if the idea is fundamentally the same, your answers should look nothing alike. | ||
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LeafHouse
United States185 Posts
If it's more of a research assignment and isn't an individual research paper, we usually get into groups of 5 or six to turn in a 30 pg paper or so. It's impossible to not just simply take the other kid's work when you have to build on what they've written about. That's to say that these things chill out some later, especially for harder work (like a lot of people have already said). It's super important to figure out what is a good time to work together and what is a good time to not though. These teachers are probably being anal because they know that if it's a situation where you should have not worked together in college the consequences are a lot worse. That's got to be frustrating for now in highschool where the teachers are a lot more finiky and unclear. gl^^ | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On April 30 2008 05:40 Chill wrote: Weird. In my university they encouraged us to work together, and even encouraged turning in one assignment with two names on it. Canadian education system > American education system  | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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flag
United States228 Posts
On April 30 2008 07:47 iLjh wrote: if it were me in this situation... first i would bring a dictionary to your teacher and shoe him (im presuming it's a he) the exact definition of plagiarism... which is stealing someone else's ideas and stating them as your own without giving credibility... then refer to your syllabus and show him that there is no section stating that group work is prohibited (which im assuming there isnt) now with your platform set, here comes the arguing. my main claim would be, if i were to work in together with a friend for this assignment, and we both come to the same conclusion, there aren't many ways to write the conclusion differently. what you did was not plagiarism but a simple matter of co-operative work, and through your cooperation, you both came to the same conclusion, which you both expressed on your papers. you will have to argue your point that you did not plagiarize and that the term "plagiarism" is so subjective that his opinion may not even correspond to that of another teacher. if that doesn't work... bring it to the department head, in this case would be whoever is the head of the biology department or sciences. good luck this is good advice, i would just add to be nice about how you present your side, if you put the teacher in a defensive position they won't change their mind no matter what. | ||
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clazziquai
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It's 99% sure that colleges won't be contacted. This is my greatest concern. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work. Did this happen? I'm fairly sure it didn't. I think the teacher is looking for another word. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
On May 01 2008 08:13 EmeraldSparks wrote: Did this happen? I'm fairly sure it didn't. I think the teacher is looking for another word. What a dumbass he is. Yes, I didn't do this. | ||
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slained
Canada966 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
If you are sure you've done no wrong, assert it untill it's been accounted for! | ||
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