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Anybody seen those? Dirty propoganda if you ask me. Drugs can do bad things, but not weed. There's a whole subculture in America trying to get weed legalized and these commercials are just the kind of propoganda we don't need.
I especially like the one where it's like, some teenage girl was like "OMG That party saturday was so awesome... what I can remember of it anyways!"
Then her friend shows her some picture (assumingly of her doing something she'd rather not share with the world) and she's like "oh man, that must have been saturday night..."
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"I was soooo high."
That's a straight up misrepresentation of the effects of marijuana. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE if marijuana made girls take their clothes off and forget about it... but it just doesn't do that. That's what alcohol does. And that's why alcohol is a far superior substance.
Anyways, I was talking to a friend just now, and I think we came up with a great idea to get back at these commercials.
Here's the premise:
"Johnny was a cool kid. He was smart and funny, he went to parties, and everybody liked him.
Then one day, he went to church.
He's just not the same anymore. All he ever talks about anymore is some invisible man in the sky. He just sort of... stopped being Johnny."
What do you think?
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I am doing a debate/speech topic on legalizing weed for medicinal purposes only. Should be pretty easy, just need to find all the different research findings of how it has helped people... =)
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wow, turning the "above the influence" commercials into a church parody would be amazing in so many ways.
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On February 27 2008 18:11 Metal[x] wrote:
I am doing a debate/speech topic on legalizing weed for medicinal purposes only. Should be pretty easy, just need to find all the different research findings of how it has helped people... =)
if you changed it to say... "personal use", and "medical".... I'd agree with you. 
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Well, one of my best friends is a regular weed user since years. He can't focus on his studies anymore, even when he tries. And he wasn't a dumbass to begin with...so go and shove up weed in your ***, and be happy 'bout it has "no side effect". Yeah right.
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Drugs can do bad things, but not weed. Weed has NO be effects, eh?
How about we start with "Makes you annoying as fuck to everyone else around you."
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this stuff makes you wonder why they're fighting weed in the first place, when they're knowingly providing false arguments against it
i guess the commercial wouldn't really be as useful if the chick was like "wow, i got so stoned i didn't do anything last night and i'm feeling kind of lazy now"
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On February 27 2008 21:34 Naib wrote:
Well, one of my best friends is a regular weed user since years. He can't focus on his studies anymore, even when he tries. And he wasn't a dumbass to begin with...so go and shove up weed in your ***, and be happy 'bout it has "no side effect". Yeah right.
Maybe your friend is lazy and is just starting to realize that college isn't as easy as high school?
On February 27 2008 22:59 vGl-CoW wrote:
this stuff makes you wonder why they're fighting weed in the first place, when they're knowingly providing false arguments against it
i guess the commercial wouldn't really be as useful if the chick was like "wow, i got so stoned i didn't do anything last night and i'm feeling kind of lazy now"
Probably, haha. That's the only major one. And shit, I've never seen girls get nekked cuz of weed. If anything, weed makes it harder to break the ice because everyone is so stoned and not really social.
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Cannabis should be legalized. The crap they say about it on TV is usually way off.
Still, cannabis is not safe for the brain or for the body, and all the risks should be known by anyone who uses it. Granted, it is a lot safer than alcohol.
It is unwise to think you can play with your brain chemistry day in and day out and not suffer consequences. They may not be immediately apparent, but there will be consequences. It is unwise to think you can inhale thick smoke day in and day out and not suffer consequences. Again, they may not be immediately apparent, but there will be consequences.
Let people wreck their health if they want to, I say.
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More on topic, though: yes, the commercials are insane. They are ludicrous.
One that comes to mind is the one of a teenager describing his brother. Essentially the idea is that this kid's brother smoked a lot of weed, and nothing bad ever happened to him as a result of it. However his brother is a big underachiever and just sits on the couch getting high all day. So here we have this kind of crazy American Dream propaganda, that we should all be out studying our lives away, working our lives away, so that we can get fancy credentials and big houses and lots of flashy neat crap. If you aren't on the ol' hamster wheel of workaholism, you are nothing.
I hate how the media tries to guilt trip us all into thinking we have to work our asses off and make a lot of money and get fancy titles in order to be a valuable human being.
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I am personally pro legalization of a plethora of recreational drugs but when all is said and done, I wouldn't use any such drugs myself. Same goes for religion. My mind is my sanctuary. I like to keep it sharp and working at its peak efficiency. I do not need anything to influence my reality or perception that I can not already do with my imagination and will.
So yeah, I agree with the message to live above the influence, but I wouldn't ram it down anyones eye sockets and if I were into anti-drug campaigns I would put my focus on the two most harmful drugs by far: alcohol and tabacco. As for the illegal drugs I think meth, glue sniffing and i.v. drugs are far more important to address.
Misrepresentation and untruths are always wrong because the first rules in prevention are understanding reality as it is followed by real education; with out this, one is just wasting time and money.
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On February 28 2008 01:27 nA.Inky wrote:
Cannabis should be legalized. The crap they say about it on TV is usually way off.
Still, cannabis is not safe for the brain or for the body, and all the risks should be known by anyone who uses it. Granted, it is a lot safer than alcohol.
It is unwise to think you can play with your brain chemistry day in and day out and not suffer consequences. They may not be immediately apparent, but there will be consequences. It is unwise to think you can inhale thick smoke day in and day out and not suffer consequences. Again, they may not be immediately apparent, but there will be consequences.
Let people wreck their health if they want to, I say. Agreed.
More on topic, though: yes, the commercials are insane. They are ludicrous.
One that comes to mind is the one of a teenager describing his brother. Essentially the idea is that this kid's brother smoked a lot of weed, and nothing bad ever happened to him as a result of it. However his brother is a big underachiever and just sits on the couch getting high all day. So here we have this kind of crazy American Dream propaganda, that we should all be out studying our lives away, working our lives away, so that we can get fancy credentials and big houses and lots of flashy neat crap. If you aren't on the ol' hamster wheel of workaholism, you are nothing.
I hate how the media tries to guilt trip us all into thinking we have to work our asses off and make a lot of money and get fancy titles in order to be a valuable human being.
The image of the lazy pothead isn't advocating "workaholism", as much as it's advocating "do-something-ism." You don't have to go to college or work in an office to contribute to society, but you SHOULD try to contribute in some way. It's the reason they showcase the lazy stoner in those commercials rather than the pot smoking artists or musician. Clearly not everyone that smokes marijuana sits around all day watching TV and playing video games, but some people do, and I have every reason to ridicule those people.
The worst part of the commercials is when they have the stern mother saying those are the rules because she says so. I don't know any teenagers that would bow down to such an idiotic statement. Personally, I think the "Think" anti-smoking ads are more annoying than the anti-weed ones.
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On February 27 2008 21:34 Naib wrote:
Well, one of my best friends is a regular weed user since years. He can't focus on his studies anymore, even when he tries. And he wasn't a dumbass to begin with...so go and shove up weed in your ***, and be happy 'bout it has "no side effect". Yeah right.
I think your friend is a dumbass.
Of course weed has side-effects, but none of them are anywhere near as bad as alcohol, and that's legal pretty much everywhere.
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LOL that is the best idea i have ever heard (regarding the OP, i havent been reading the ensuing flame war over the legitimacy of weed)
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On February 28 2008 01:27 nA.Inky wrote:
More on topic, though: yes, the commercials are insane. They are ludicrous.
QFT.
The "Above the Influence" commercials are ludicrous. There are plenty of productive marijuana users out there.
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I agree with a few people here that too many people seem to think that weed has virtually no side effects. It's also a lot harder to make a case for banning alcohol in comparison to weed... alcohol, in proper amounts, is good, and/or neutral. That's not true for weed.
Edit: BTW I saw the OP's commercial with the girl who doesn't remember the weekend... but... did they actually say, or specifically imply weed? There are other explanations that work...
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hahaha good luck going against government propaganda.
i was really afraid of weed too and thought it made you go crazy, but after trying it i really dont see what all the fuss is about. i would totally legalize it lol. i mean its basically the same as smoking cigarettes, to me at least. btw i dont smoke so i get reeeeally buzzed from nicotine.
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alcohol isn't bad, if u don't abuse it. there are people who use alcohol to get fucked up, so they look cool or some gay shit like that. anything too much can be bad for you. that means, weed can be as bad as alcohol, if u abuse it hard. it might not be as bad as alcohol, but it can do some harm on u.
and i can totally call on ppl who smoke weed. this friend of mine, i met him and i immediately knew he smoked weed. the way he talked, like "heyyyy mannnn yooooo,, wanna goooooo sk8? whats up dawggggg, duudeeeee"
even though hes a very smart guy who helps out ppl do better in college, hes a big stoner, who talks like a retard. i asked him if he blazes, and he said he does it a lot.
also, theres another friend of mine on my floor who smokes a lot and he talks just like this guy i mentioned above. hes cool though, but anyone can tell hes a stoner.
driving when ur high has a greater chance of killing you and ur friends, and also innocent people.
go to erowid.com, it does have negative effects.
btw, i used to smoke weed, but i quit now.
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I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda.
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On February 28 2008 03:28 micronesia wrote:
I agree with a few people here that too many people seem to think that weed has virtually no side effects. It's also a lot harder to make a case for banning alcohol in comparison to weed... alcohol, in proper amounts, is good, and/or neutral. That's not true for weed.
Edit: BTW I saw the OP's commercial with the girl who doesn't remember the weekend... but... did they actually say, or specifically imply weed? There are other explanations that work...
Please don't post if you know absolutely nothing. Show me a medicinal case of CONSUMABLE alcohol please. And also, your logic is extremely flawed because you talk about "proper amounts" of alcohol... the amount of weed is takes to die from is astronomical, impossible to do with every day resources. Alcohol, on the other hand, may be slightly healthy in low dosage, but kills with a relatively low dosage also.
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On February 28 2008 04:24 humblegar wrote:
I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda.
Do you understand the rough ratio of having inactive psychosis to not having it? Now, do you know the percentage that gets activated by marijuana? Less than 1%. There simply are not enough cases for this to be a legitimate argument. Sorry. 
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On February 28 2008 04:59 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 03:28 micronesia wrote:
I agree with a few people here that too many people seem to think that weed has virtually no side effects. It's also a lot harder to make a case for banning alcohol in comparison to weed... alcohol, in proper amounts, is good, and/or neutral. That's not true for weed.
Edit: BTW I saw the OP's commercial with the girl who doesn't remember the weekend... but... did they actually say, or specifically imply weed? There are other explanations that work... Please don't post if you know absolutely nothing. Show me a medicinal case of CONSUMABLE alcohol please. And also, your logic is extremely flawed because you talk about "proper amounts" of alcohol... the amount of weed is takes to die from is astronomical, impossible to do with every day resources. Alcohol, on the other hand, may be slightly healthy in low dosage, but kills with a relatively low dosage also.
That fact that you are getting so upset implies that you are getting defensive (and for good reason). Obviously I know absolutely nothing, especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances, such as modest amounts of wine over a long period of time (obviously I'm not talking about binge drinking JD). My logic is not at all flawed, you just missed my point entirely. When I brought up the idea of 'proper amounts' I meant that, just like with wine, it's easier to make a case if you can point out positive effects. Point to some positive effects of weed. Well, for medicinal purposes, you can make a case. But, it's much more difficult to make a case for at home use (as opposed to alcohol). I'm not even saying weed should be banned, necessarily; I'm just drawing comparisons.
Edit: btw, we aren't talking about DEATH so while you are busy insulting me, please avoid making grand, sweeping assumptions, that I'm talking about what will kill you.
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Alcohol kills with a relatively low dosage? Relative to an Olympic sized swimming pool?
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On February 28 2008 05:18 Jibba wrote:
Alcohol kills with a relatively low dosage? Relative to an Olympic sized swimming pool?
Serious? Alcohol poisoning happens all the fucking time, especially in colleges and among people who don't know their "limit". It's impossible to die from smoking marijuana, on the short term (yes, smoking is bad and causes lung cancer, etc).
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On February 28 2008 05:29 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:18 Jibba wrote:
Alcohol kills with a relatively low dosage? Relative to an Olympic sized swimming pool? Serious? Alcohol poisoning happens all the fucking time, especially in colleges and among people who don't know their "limit". It's impossible to die from smoking marijuana, on the short term (yes, smoking is bad and causes lung cancer, etc).
So demolishing 25 beers is a relatively low dosage?
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On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:
especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances. alcohol per se - none - the only example you can find is small amounts of red wine because of other substances other than alcohol; and usually the negative effects of alcohol in the wine offset by much any possible benefit from the other substances in it (including water and the flavinoid family of compounds - note that an extra glass of water a day also have a positive health effect lol, marketing, you got to luv it!)
alcohol per se does not have any positive health effect unless you use it as a surface disinfectant and even then if you use it wrong it will cause more harm than good lol
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On February 28 2008 04:24 humblegar wrote:
I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda.
It only triggers psychosis in those predisposed to it. it doesn't cause it. If you're predisposed, a shit day at work, a major break up or any number of things could cause that.
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On February 28 2008 05:42 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:29 Meta wrote:On February 28 2008 05:18 Jibba wrote:
Alcohol kills with a relatively low dosage? Relative to an Olympic sized swimming pool? Serious? Alcohol poisoning happens all the fucking time, especially in colleges and among people who don't know their "limit". It's impossible to die from smoking marijuana, on the short term (yes, smoking is bad and causes lung cancer, etc). So demolishing 25 beers is a relatively low dosage?
Alcohol is dependent on body weight. For somebody who weighs 100 pounds, it is very plausible that 10 or so beverages at 5% alcohol could cause death, where for a 300 pound person it would get them mildly drunk. Now take the same weights and lets turn the 5% alcohol into 5% THC in a bowl. The 100 pound person can smoke 25 bowls and pass out, but be perfectly fine. The 300 pound person can do the same thing, and also be perfectly fine. I don't really see your argument.
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On February 28 2008 05:02 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 04:24 humblegar wrote:
I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda. Do you understand the rough ratio of having inactive psychosis to not having it? Now, do you know the percentage that gets activated by marijuana? Less than 1%. There simply are not enough cases for this to be a legitimate argument. Sorry.
Actually, I have never even heard of the term inactive psychosis.
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On February 28 2008 05:45 Physician wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:
especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances. alcohol per se - none - the only example you can find is small amounts of red wine because of other substances other than alcohol; and usually the negative effects of alcohol in the wine offset by much any possible benefit from the other substances in it (including water and the flavinoid family of compounds - note that an extra glass of water a day also have a positive health effect lol, marketing, you got to luv it!) alcohol per se does not have any positive health effect unless you use it as a surface disinfectant and even then if you use it wrong it will cause more harm than good lol
BAM!
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On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 04:59 Romance_us wrote:On February 28 2008 03:28 micronesia wrote:
I agree with a few people here that too many people seem to think that weed has virtually no side effects. It's also a lot harder to make a case for banning alcohol in comparison to weed... alcohol, in proper amounts, is good, and/or neutral. That's not true for weed.
Edit: BTW I saw the OP's commercial with the girl who doesn't remember the weekend... but... did they actually say, or specifically imply weed? There are other explanations that work... Please don't post if you know absolutely nothing. Show me a medicinal case of CONSUMABLE alcohol please. And also, your logic is extremely flawed because you talk about "proper amounts" of alcohol... the amount of weed is takes to die from is astronomical, impossible to do with every day resources. Alcohol, on the other hand, may be slightly healthy in low dosage, but kills with a relatively low dosage also. That fact that you are getting so upset implies that you are getting defensive (and for good reason). Obviously I know absolutely nothing, especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances, such as modest amounts of wine over a long period of time (obviously I'm not talking about binge drinking JD). My logic is not at all flawed, you just missed my point entirely. When I brought up the idea of 'proper amounts' I meant that, just like with wine, it's easier to make a case if you can point out positive effects. Point to some positive effects of weed. Well, for medicinal purposes, you can make a case. But, it's much more difficult to make a case for at home use (as opposed to alcohol). I'm not even saying weed should be banned, necessarily; I'm just drawing comparisons. Edit: btw, we aren't talking about DEATH so while you are busy insulting me, please avoid making grand, sweeping assumptions, that I'm talking about what will kill you.
Yes, I'm getting very "defensive", just because I point out your blatant ignorance.
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On February 28 2008 06:31 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:42 Jibba wrote:On February 28 2008 05:29 Meta wrote:On February 28 2008 05:18 Jibba wrote:
Alcohol kills with a relatively low dosage? Relative to an Olympic sized swimming pool? Serious? Alcohol poisoning happens all the fucking time, especially in colleges and among people who don't know their "limit". It's impossible to die from smoking marijuana, on the short term (yes, smoking is bad and causes lung cancer, etc). So demolishing 25 beers is a relatively low dosage? Alcohol is dependent on body weight. For somebody who weighs 100 pounds, it is very plausible that 10 or so beverages at 5% alcohol could cause death, where for a 300 pound person it would get them mildly drunk. Now take the same weights and lets turn the 5% alcohol into 5% THC in a bowl. The 100 pound person can smoke 25 bowls and pass out, but be perfectly fine. The 300 pound person can do the same thing, and also be perfectly fine. I don't really see your argument.
10 is not a relatively low dosage either. The point is that you're engaging in the same hysteria based propaganda as the people who make anti-marijuana ads.
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Physician, what are better sources than red wine? Are there comparable benefits to red wine in weed?
On February 28 2008 06:34 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:On February 28 2008 04:59 Romance_us wrote:On February 28 2008 03:28 micronesia wrote:
I agree with a few people here that too many people seem to think that weed has virtually no side effects. It's also a lot harder to make a case for banning alcohol in comparison to weed... alcohol, in proper amounts, is good, and/or neutral. That's not true for weed.
Edit: BTW I saw the OP's commercial with the girl who doesn't remember the weekend... but... did they actually say, or specifically imply weed? There are other explanations that work... Please don't post if you know absolutely nothing. Show me a medicinal case of CONSUMABLE alcohol please. And also, your logic is extremely flawed because you talk about "proper amounts" of alcohol... the amount of weed is takes to die from is astronomical, impossible to do with every day resources. Alcohol, on the other hand, may be slightly healthy in low dosage, but kills with a relatively low dosage also. That fact that you are getting so upset implies that you are getting defensive (and for good reason). Obviously I know absolutely nothing, especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances, such as modest amounts of wine over a long period of time (obviously I'm not talking about binge drinking JD). My logic is not at all flawed, you just missed my point entirely. When I brought up the idea of 'proper amounts' I meant that, just like with wine, it's easier to make a case if you can point out positive effects. Point to some positive effects of weed. Well, for medicinal purposes, you can make a case. But, it's much more difficult to make a case for at home use (as opposed to alcohol). I'm not even saying weed should be banned, necessarily; I'm just drawing comparisons. Edit: btw, we aren't talking about DEATH so while you are busy insulting me, please avoid making grand, sweeping assumptions, that I'm talking about what will kill you. Yes, I'm getting very "defensive", just because I point out your blatant ignorance. "Please don't post if you know absolutely nothing." Lol, just 'pointing out' my supposed 'blatant ignorance' eh? It's especially ironic since most of what you said in response made no sense. But I have a feeling Physician will do what he usually does and shed some light, or at least provide some additional perspective.
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On February 28 2008 06:19 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 04:24 humblegar wrote:
I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda. It only triggers psychosis in those predisposed to it. it doesn't cause it. If you're predisposed, a shit day at work, a major break up or any number of things could cause that.
And you can tell if you are one predisposed for psychosis or not? What if a family member dies tomorrow, are you still not predisposed for psychosis?
To me saying "it only ruins those lives" would make as much sense as "it only triggers psychosis". I will not comment on the 1% post other than that people are arguing about these numbers, and even 1% is a lot of people for a big country.
This only comes in addition to other, harder to measure, problems, in short summed up by "dropping out of society", i have seen this myself.
And if you use enough drugs, even "just" weed, others will notice it in your body language, your voice, your slightly altered way of responding a bit later a.s.o. This is really sad, because when your body and mind has changed this way, so has your perception, so you will not notice.
All this is of course just in addition to the COPD risks that are greatly increased for weed compared to normal smoking a.s.o., but I understand from earlier posts that those things are accepted as known risks? I meet COPD patients regularly and it is not a nice sight.
This list goes on forever, but just makes me sad. Take it easy and remember that some people actually try to work for other peoples health, not just spew propaganda. And at least in my country, the state mostly pays the bills when you get ill too.
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On February 28 2008 06:33 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 05:45 Physician wrote:On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:
especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances. alcohol per se - none - the only example you can find is small amounts of red wine because of other substances other than alcohol; and usually the negative effects of alcohol in the wine offset by much any possible benefit from the other substances in it (including water and the flavinoid family of compounds - note that an extra glass of water a day also have a positive health effect lol, marketing, you got to luv it!) alcohol per se does not have any positive health effect unless you use it as a surface disinfectant and even then if you use it wrong it will cause more harm than good lol BAM!
all i saw in that article was that one scientist's research suggests that any possible brain growth due to alcohol leads people to alcohol dependency.
marijuana, on the other hand, has been shown to be less addictive than alcohol.
I don't see how anyone who has done sufficient research can say that alcohol is 'better' for you than marijuana.
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On February 28 2008 07:06 humblegar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 06:19 Hawk wrote:On February 28 2008 04:24 humblegar wrote:
I don't know why people that spent their lives researching people's health didn't just ask a random weed smoking dude how he felt, it would have saved a lot of money?
In addition I'll drop by my wife's work and tell the ones with psychosis triggered by weed to just get out of there, because after all, pyrogenetix is just fine and the rest is just propaganda. It only triggers psychosis in those predisposed to it. it doesn't cause it. If you're predisposed, a shit day at work, a major break up or any number of things could cause that. And you can tell if you are one predisposed for psychosis or not? What if a family member dies tomorrow, are you still not predisposed for psychosis? To me saying "it only ruins those lives" would make as much sense as "it only triggers psychosis". I will not comment on the 1% post other than that people are arguing about these numbers, and even 1% is a lot of people for a big country. This only comes in addition to other, harder to measure, problems, in short summed up by "dropping out of society", i have seen this myself. And if you use enough drugs, even "just" weed, others will notice it in your body language, your voice, your slightly altered way of responding a bit later a.s.o. This is really sad, because when your body and mind has changed this way, so has your perception, so you will not notice. All this is of course just in addition to the COPD risks that are greatly increased for weed compared to normal smoking a.s.o., but I understand from earlier posts that those things are accepted as known risks? I meet COPD patients regularly and it is not a nice sight. This list goes on forever, but just makes me sad. Take it easy and remember that some people actually try to work for other peoples health, not just spew propaganda. And at least in my country, the state mostly pays the bills when you get ill too.
If there's a history of it in your family, then you'd be predisposed.
All the study said that we are talking about is that if someone who has latent psychosis—meaning they haven't shown symptoms yet—smokes weed, they might (might, as int be triggered. They already had psychosis.
What you're saying makes it seem like that weed is the source of psychosis, and that isn't the case.
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Hahahah that's actually an amazingly funny idea for a short film or as you have in mind a commercial for showing the hypocrisy of those commercials.
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On February 28 2008 07:18 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 06:33 Jibba wrote:On February 28 2008 05:45 Physician wrote:On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:
especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances. alcohol per se - none - the only example you can find is small amounts of red wine because of other substances other than alcohol; and usually the negative effects of alcohol in the wine offset by much any possible benefit from the other substances in it (including water and the flavinoid family of compounds - note that an extra glass of water a day also have a positive health effect lol, marketing, you got to luv it!) alcohol per se does not have any positive health effect unless you use it as a surface disinfectant and even then if you use it wrong it will cause more harm than good lol BAM! all i saw in that article was that one scientist's research suggests that any possible brain growth due to alcohol leads people to alcohol dependency. marijuana, on the other hand, has been shown to be less addictive than alcohol.
It increases brain activity. I believe in the next stage of the test they found mice that had been given moderate amounts of beer (relative to 2-3 cans for a human), performed mazes better, especially when presented with the same one multiple times (better memory.)
I don't see how anyone who has done sufficient research can say that alcohol is 'better' for you than marijuana. I'm just playing devil's advocate in all of my posts here, but I get the feeling you haven't actually done your research. You like smoking pot and you've probably looked at facts or reports linked from some pro-marijuana organization or movement and settled upon that as reasonable justification. That's what most pro-marijuana supporters do and while it may be true that weed is less harmful/more helpful than alcohol/cigarettes, doing that type of "research" is like going to the NRA for gun safety information.
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So how come your advertising against church.. lol
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On February 28 2008 08:21 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 07:18 Meta wrote:On February 28 2008 06:33 Jibba wrote:On February 28 2008 05:45 Physician wrote:On February 28 2008 05:14 micronesia wrote:
especially since alcohol IS found to have positive health effects under specific circumstances. alcohol per se - none - the only example you can find is small amounts of red wine because of other substances other than alcohol; and usually the negative effects of alcohol in the wine offset by much any possible benefit from the other substances in it (including water and the flavinoid family of compounds - note that an extra glass of water a day also have a positive health effect lol, marketing, you got to luv it!) alcohol per se does not have any positive health effect unless you use it as a surface disinfectant and even then if you use it wrong it will cause more harm than good lol BAM! all i saw in that article was that one scientist's research suggests that any possible brain growth due to alcohol leads people to alcohol dependency. marijuana, on the other hand, has been shown to be less addictive than alcohol. It increases brain activity. I believe in the next stage of the test they found mice that had been given moderate amounts of beer (relative to 2-3 cans for a human), performed mazes better, especially when presented with the same one multiple times (better memory.) Show nested quote +I don't see how anyone who has done sufficient research can say that alcohol is 'better' for you than marijuana. I'm just playing devil's advocate in all of my posts here, but I get the feeling you haven't actually done your research. You like smoking pot and you've probably looked at facts or reports linked from some pro-marijuana organization or movement and settled upon that as reasonable justification. That's what most pro-marijuana supporters do and while it may be true that weed is less harmful/more helpful than alcohol/cigarettes, doing that type of "research" is like going to the NRA for gun safety information.
Na man I like alcohol way more than marijuana. I've just been around a lot of potheads and a lot of alcoholics, and the potheads were much less self-destructive than the alcoholics. Have you ever actually talked to a real-life alcoholic? They are the most pitiful people I've ever known. Sit in on an AA meeting or something, it's very depressing.
Potheads can, at least in most circumstances, hold a job and support themselves.
I've talked to med students about it too, and the concensus is pretty much that weed is certainly not worse for you than tobacco, unless you smoke weed like people smoke cigarettes (say, 2-3 joints a day).
Of course, it's really hard to get hard facts about it because of course 10 beers will be worse than 1 bowl, and 3 bowls is worse than 1 beer, etc.
I just hate seeing people who have never done either or looked into it at all and advocate against weed so relentlessly because "it's the law", as though the law is some devine, flawless entity.
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Belgium6771 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Physician, what are better sources than red wine? Are there comparable benefits to red wine in weed?
Well marijuana does have many medical indications and has been used for centuries in the treatment of several ailments and symptoms (nausea suppressant, appetite stimulant, pain management modifier, for glaucoma etc..) but due to the stigma around its use during the 70 years in the developed world it has not been used for these purposes; stigma that has even hindered important research.
Only recently has this changed, some cannabinoid drugs are actually being produced and used as medications and more important there is a huge amount of research now on endogenous cannabinoid systems in mammals and humans. The result of this research will probably end up shedding light and even improving how we treat a myriad of diseases such as atherosclerosis, insulin resistance, hypertension, obesity and even dementia. There are numerous of very promising drugs coming out of this research as we speak.
Does marijuana have any positive benefit on a healthy individual per se? Smoke pot to delay age of onset of glaucoma or even prevent it in mild cases? It would, but its over kill lol..So no, not that I know, at least no practical benefit in health prevention. If you enjoy a blunt then that would be your benefit, i.e. recreational, not health. Watching a violent movie, getting drunk, playing rugby, driving!, are all probably more dangerous recreational activities than pot smoking will ever be. Of course getting high on pot and going off car racing ain't to bright but that is not pot, that's your lack of imagination or poor survival skills.
In general a healthy body does not need any drug plus marijuana does have some harmful effects in kids no matter what the young pot heads want to believe (I think I have posted some of them here at tl.net before -search chobocop & pot). Smoke inhalation is also definitively harmful both in kid and adults (though not nearly as dangerous as tobacco).
Are the risks significant or important? In general no, in some cases they can be (namely you should not use pot chronically if you have a strong family history of schizophrenia) or if you want to be at your peek in academia lol.. your intellectual performance does take a toll if you are a chronic user and that is without going into motivation issues.
Point is when you compare marijuana to other drugs, it risks and harmful effects are laughable: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
As for the benefits of red wine, hey if you enjoy a glass daily why would you want another source? It's not like it does much in terms of positive effects anyway (or harm if you stay under 4 ounces and if you are otherwise healthy - forget any alcohol if you have high blood pressure, insulin resistance, heart failure, diabetes, obesity etc.. etc.. you get the point - the moderate red wine thing only works if you are absolutely healthy to start of with - and that is why you can also gleem at the bias of some these studies lol).
In other words we are talking about very small numbers in relative risks or relative benefits under these conditions.
Point is red wine tastes good if you have developed an acquired taste for it - and yes it can change your LDL/HDL in a favorable manner - and it probably has some anti-clotting properties. Then again you can find in nature far better agents that do exactly this but they taste like shit man (willow bark juice and shrimp shell's own your red wine anytime!).
And if you don't want natural, a low dose aspirin and a statin drug will increase your chances of living longer and healthier way more than anything nature can offer you or your red wine will ever dream doing (healthy or not).
That is way I am not going to advice you ever to drink certain grape juices, or non-alcoholic red wine, or grape skin/seed extracts which is probably what you were wanting to know. They all probably as good or better than red wine, plus you avoid the alcohol but it is not practical or significant.
There is also a lot of debate whether it is the components of the wine, the way the wine is consumed, or the lifestyle traits that is the most responsible for the long healthy lives of many wine drinkers from certain countries.
Anyway it is all about relative risks. Low relative risks don't mean shit considering life in general. Its the high relative risks factors one should always pay attention too - like avoiding tabacco smoking, using a seat belt, driving safely, seeking early medical attention when you have a health problem, follow modern preventive medicine guidelines - each age has its big risks to pay attention etc.. One glass of red wine daily is a very low relative risk if you have no family history of alcoholism and are healthy, so who cares, not worth bothering about from an individual's point of view. Maybe the right glass of red wine helps you say the right thing and you end up marrying the right girl - a life time of happiness must be healthy! Now for society at large, red wine does far more harm than it will ever do any good, by far.
You decide, me personally I stay away from drugs of any kind, wine and alcohol included and simply take my chances. I cheat though, I know my genes, on those I put my faith on.
PS1 Sorry for the rambling, I had to edit it several times, you see, I drank a little too much wine tonight //lol.
PS2 when I say you or your, its plural, myself included.
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
http://ydouthink.com/tvandradio.php
I love these videos, because of how retarded they are.
"nonsmokers get kissed more" LOL sure,
"teen smokers get belly fat" Most of my smoking friends are skinny as shit
some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.
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United States22883 Posts
I bet you non-smokers get repeat kissed more.
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United States24678 Posts
On February 28 2008 13:01 CaucasianAsian wrote:
some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.
This one I don't really agree with. Well, it isn't quite 1:1, but it's not so far off either.
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On February 28 2008 13:01 CaucasianAsian wrote:http://ydouthink.com/tvandradio.phpI love these videos, because of how retarded they are. "nonsmokers get kissed more" LOL sure, "teen smokers get belly fat" Most of my smoking friends are skinny as shit some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.
those are even worse than "above the influence"
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
things get troublesome when silly people take themselves seriously.
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