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mel_ee
2448 Posts
I believe in evolution, doesnt mean that im not a christian. (catholics believe in evolution) note: there is a HUGE difference from catholics and other christian religions, catholics are realist. sry cant post more right now- busy oh and the design thing. Why is it that birds make the same nest over and over, yet humans dont (houses)? -this again is to the design- Well there has to be something different in our bodies correct? So what is that difference? | ||
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mstercrack
United States43 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On December 11 2007 04:53 ilovezil wrote: Well, I'll start by saying that I believe in an omnipotent and omniscient being that governs this universe. What led me to this belief? I'm sure my Christian upbringing had much to do with it, but that is not the sole reason why I believe. As I'd said before, I find it hard to come up with the proper words. In summary, the most damning evidence you can find to learn that God exists is by actually reaching for him, by actively seeking his presence. Too many times, I asked God "are you there?" and too many times, I failed. I suppose my faith can be best described as confused, but persistent. Even though I've been denied the truth I was seeking so many times when I tried to find God, I never quite gave up. I'm a stubborn guy, you see. Even now, I'm still searching for the whole truth; not just the question of "does God exist" anymore, but...the "big picture", if you will. If I can come up with better words later, I'll edit my post accordingly. But as I stated, the most convincing evidence that God exists is by a one-on-one relationship. I never considered myself an eloquent and quick-to-thought person, so that's the best I can do currently. I've come to respect both religious and non-religious people earnestly; we each have our own stories. Sure, we can try to convince each other of our beliefs, but as you can see, the result so far is the everlasting religion vs science war. Those who can carry out such a seemingly impossible task of understandingly and patiently coming to accept the other's belief is a virtue humans have yet to learn... That's all I have to say for now. I'll edit with a more substantiating(?) post later if I can come up with it. Oh, and what exactly are your intentions with this blog post, if I may ask? ok... why in the hell does it have to be with "God" and not a one on one relationship with yourself? Oh I know! because then people would think you are crazy for "talking to yourself". Well guess what all you praying people: your talking to yourself so why not put your trust of "God" into yourself and live like that? <--------------- atheist | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 13 2007 03:16 Mindcrime wrote: A. Did I saw you were given a permanent ban? No, I didn't. A temp ban is called a temp ban because it's a fucking temp ban B. To quote Rekrul: "Sarcasm is okay but when you do it every day and make yourself sound like an annoying bitch: you get banned." haha chill out fucktard. And like I said, the actual temp ban was for an inside joke. Any dig you read was him just name calling. And did you happen to notice the 2 week ban lasted a day? Guess not. Head up the ass syndrome I think!  Anyways, dont defend something you are outside of the "know" on lil man! | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 13 2007 10:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: haha chill out fucktard. And like I said, the actual temp ban was for an inside joke. Any dig you read was him just name calling. And did you happen to notice the 2 week ban lasted a day? Guess not. Head up the ass syndrome I think! Anyways, dont defend something you are outside of the "know" on lil man!Okay, keep posting the same arrogant, sarcasm-laden bullshit in every thread! You're really amusing! | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 13 2007 08:13 mel_ee wrote: What? Because humans have a brain that's far more developed than anything else in the animal kingdom? If that's the best reason to believe in design, I suggest you study the anatomy of the brain and psychology. We have foresight because of our large frontal lobe, something that no other animal has, and this leads to many, many more important things. You could also ask "how do humans learn to breathe" but you don't because it's so instinctive that we just write it off. That is what millions of years of evolution does, and anyone who doesn't learn to breathe is ended pretty quickly just like any bird who doesn't figure out how to make a nest.oh and the design thing. Why is it that birds make the same nest over and over, yet humans dont (houses)? -this again is to the design- Well there has to be something different in our bodies correct? So what is that difference? And birds hardly make the same nest over and over. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On December 13 2007 08:13 mel_ee wrote: Interesting responses. I believe in evolution, doesnt mean that im not a christian. (catholics believe in evolution) note: there is a HUGE difference from catholics and other christian religions, catholics are realist. sry cant post more right now- busy oh and the design thing. Why is it that birds make the same nest over and over, yet humans dont (houses)? -this again is to the design- Well there has to be something different in our bodies correct? So what is that difference? It seems odd to call catholics realists considering their traditions in comparison with the orthodox siblings. Nothing is more real than demonic possession, exorcism, and consuming the body and blood of the savior week after week. | ||
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mel_ee
2448 Posts
I suggest you read what you just wrote. ^__^ birds make the same nest over and over and us humans become friggin architects. Why did the humans get so advanced, who designed us to be like this? If you dont say god and you say "evolution" then why dont other animals evolve to where we are? Do they evolve slower and we evolve faster? Oh and Catholic to the realist thing is simply a stab at other denominations of christianity. | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
Houses were just as good 2000 years ago as they are now, the only thing that has changed would be, i guess, the materials used. And if you say that birds make the same nests over and over again, then seeing as how thats all they need to do to house their eggs, then humans make the same houses over and over again, for shelter. Birds can use many different materials, just because it looks the same doesn't = the same. I'm sure Jibba can put the above in a better format | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On December 11 2007 06:49 nA.Inky wrote: I liked reading your post, Mr. MonkeySpanker. Existential crises can be damn difficult, but I think we are stronger when we come out of them. Good for you! I agree it does make you stronger after you overcome that mental obstacle. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 13 2007 17:35 mel_ee wrote: Evolution is not something that animals actively do. A single creature does not evolve, a species slowly does by making extremely minute genetic changes in its offspring and the changes that work survive, the changes that don't die off. yea i know our brains are far more developed... I suggest you read what you just wrote. ^__^ birds make the same nest over and over and us humans become friggin architects. Why did the humans get so advanced, who designed us to be like this? If you dont say god and you say "evolution" then why dont other animals evolve to where we are? Do they evolve slower and we evolve faster? Oh and Catholic to the realist thing is simply a stab at other denominations of christianity. You're making the assumption that humans are a perfect animal, and you're not arguing intelligent design anymore - you're arguing creationism. I can't tell you where and why birds and humans differentiated because I'm a poli sci student with an interest in philosophy, not an evolutionary biologist. There are two problems with going that route though. Eventually you will ask a question that science cannot answer, thus "proving" your belief in God, however in 50, 100, 500 years science may very well be able to answer the question. It's no different than 1,000 years ago claiming God makes the Sun and planets revolve around the Earth. Second, assuming you're right and God is the force behind evolution, does that mean we should stop studying it and then where do we stop? Classical principles like Newtonian physics and other sciences appear to be natural law, but they too might just be the work of God. There is no possible way to make a distinction between a natural law and what is an act of God (even if you say God made the laws), but it seems to be far more beneficial to our lives to explore these things as if they were sciences rather than the work of God. If we just resign that God is responsible for them, then we'd become stagnant because we already "have" the answer. If we treat them as sciences, then we constantly strive to find better, more accurate answers that somehow correlate together, and we get rid of nasty things like the bubonic plague and maybe cancer and invent nifty things like computers and the internet and Starcraft. | ||
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lugggy
450 Posts
As for other arguments for God ("what if we're dogs"), try using your argument to prove something knowingly fictitious. If your method can affirm something you know is false (because you made it up), then your method does not provide any weight in favor of the existence of God because the method is garbage. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On December 13 2007 21:44 Jibba wrote: [ I can't tell you where and why birds and humans differentiated because I'm a poli sci student with an interest in philosophy, not an evolutionary biologist. Where = Earth. Why = natrual selection. | ||
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man
United States272 Posts
On December 13 2007 17:35 mel_ee wrote: yea i know our brains are far more developed... I suggest you read what you just wrote. ^__^ birds make the same nest over and over and us humans become friggin architects. Why did the humans get so advanced, who designed us to be like this? If you dont say god and you say "evolution" then why dont other animals evolve to where we are? Do they evolve slower and we evolve faster? Oh and Catholic to the realist thing is simply a stab at other denominations of christianity. When species evolve, they don't necessarily become more advanced, they just become better suited to the environment in which they live. A species might remain morphologically unchanged for millions of years if there is no selective pressures. I suggest you research human evolution if you think that we were designed. The fossil record alone shows that we weren't. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
First, you bumped a 2 month old thread for no reason. Second, that response answers nothing. How is the answer just "natural selection" when both species are clearly alive today? Do you understand how natural selection works? BTW, you never responded in that other thread where I pointed out your inability to debate and properly comprehend my posts. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
I do though. I was Catholic since birth and although I can't be sure, I hope there is one. | ||
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man
United States272 Posts
On February 06 2008 10:43 Jibba wrote: First, you bumped a 2 month old thread for no reason. Second, that response answers nothing. How is the answer just "natural selection" when both species are clearly alive today? Do you understand how natural selection works? BTW, you never responded in that other thread where I pointed out your inability to debate and properly comprehend my posts. Natural selection doesn't mean a species has to become extinct, it just means that there are selective pressures that favor certain traits over others. | ||
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