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As I went into work at 6pm, I was still pretty baked from smoking pot after school. So in analogy to Nietzsche, the philosopher with the hammer, I shall call upon the name of the philosopher with the blunt for myself.
I was taking a little break with a cigarette when suddenly thoughts came surfacing into my mind. I saw the movement of the smoke and had to think about something I discussed earlier this week: the third and fourth dimension. It has always fascinated me to think about something as abstract as time, even though our puny minds are clearly no match for the complexity of this matter.
But lets do that anyway. Anyone know about Thales from Milete's statement? He said 'Water is everything'. The way he intended it was, however, a bit different from the way we'd see it right now since he lived in ancient Turkey, in a place surrounded by vast amounts of water that played a big role in the society's lives there, but I digress... I wanna take this statement and apply it in the context of time.
The 3 dimensions are a visualization in our mind of the matter all around us. When we draw/paint/photograph something, we capture but these 3 dimensions (and put it into a 2D frame, but that doesnt really matter now). So time, in essence, is the movement of these objects? Any matter, wether it be stationary or not from our referencepoint, is constantly in motion. This is because, following the big bang theory, the universe is constantly expanding (which has actually been proven, and even if the universe's size is infinite and making a 'center point' impossible, it doesnt change the fact that stuff IS moving at any level, wether it be the constellations, planets, molecules, atoms, quarks, etc.)
So to come back to my statement about water, I see an analogy in the way watermolecules are constantly flowing, colliding and influencing eachothers actions. In my view of time this would mean that matter, wether it be alive or not, is inevitably bound to the series of events it takes part in. I guess this kindof means fate would exist but predicting this would be completely and utterly impossible because of the system's nature. Sorry kids, no time travel either 
There is something called the "warmth-dead of the universe"(roughly translated from the dutch term). Since energy constantly degrades into lower forms, some people believe all energy will eventually turn into this and everything would sortof move very slowly. I'm not very sure how the theory goes exactly. This kindof fits with the idea of the expanding universe, which eventually will lose energy and stop moving since the constant expansion, together with the constant amount of mass cant preserve energy. So if the universe keeps expanding, could it be that time will eventually stretch out and become slower and slower in an objective view of mankind's idea about time (ie: constant clocks,etc.) aswell? And the other way around: Does it mean that the first billions of years of the universe all happened in a mere flash, since the energy of the explosion must have been bigger than the amount of energy stored in the entire universe right now and time is constantly being stretched out like an elastic band together with the movement of the 'outer boundaries'?
Furthermore; I am an agnost. Agnost in the way that I do feel a need for an explanation, just like any other scientific experiment needs objective proof, but also in the way that I dont believe at all that there is a 'higher being' which controls our destiny. If I were to define a divinity though, I would see it as the pool of water that symbolizes our entire universe and being, with the unthinkable amount of complexity it holds in its dimensions.
There. I recorded this on my cell when I thought about it so I just wrote this down in my sober state right now. There might be some contradictions or errors in my statements but hell, baked philosophy is awesome. Feel free to discuss, add views, criticize, etc 
/Philosopher with the blunt out
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and? it seems like u are mixing alot of different stuff together to form some kind of theory, but whats the point in all of this rubbish about time being like water and being 3dimensional and starting to slow down because the universe is expanding?
i think u smoked to much
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Belgium6769 Posts
Must there be a purpose in philosophy?
If I would actually call it a purpose, I guess I wanted to let other people see what I thought up, let them react upon it and share their views of how they think the system might work.
You dont think about this stuff at all? Which doesnt necessarily have anything to do with smoking lol, that stuff can just be a katalysator, it doesnt bring in anything new.
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On December 01 2007 09:28 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Must there be a purpose in philosophy?
yes the puspose of philosophy is knowledge
what i meant in my first post was that u took random parts of philosophy and mingled them together without them making much sense anymore, i really dont want to get into details about it because u dont seem to know much about philosophy
philosophy is not about putting out random thoughts about random things->u went from dimensions to time to the sense of life to a theory about the universe
about each of the different problems u adressed 100+books have been written about and it seems to me like u havent read one of them
i would advise u to focus one one problem read alot of books about it and then start to work on it
sorry i dont want to be harsh or something but talking some things that came to your mind while u where on drugs is NOT philosopy
edit: sorry just checked ur profile u are born 1989, so doenst make much sense to bash u for not knowing much about it, i hope u will keep on thinking about this things, but u'll notice that philosophy is really hard work if u want to do it in a correct way sorry again u are still to young for such things
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On December 01 2007 09:41 sanftm00d wrote:
sorry i dont want to be harsh or something but talking some things that came to your mind while u where on drugs is NOT philosopy
thats what you call COMEDY :D
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Kudo's on thinking about some heavy stuff, Xeo. Keep at it, buddy!
I agree that time is motion. But how can slowing time be meaningful if everything is slower, including our clocks and our minds? We would notice no change.
Not a scientific fact, but I believe that the universe will not die out - it will continually re-invent itself for its own amusement. I believe all things are part of awareness within awareness within awareness. Awareness is the fundamental property of the universe. In my thinking, most humans are delusional in that they think only humanity is aware, and everything else is dead matter and energy. Really we are thoughts in a greater mind, just like our thoughts and minds are made up of smaller things. So I don't worry about entropy. The "laws" of the universe will change whenever the universe feels like changing them (increasingly physicists seem to believe that the "laws" of physics do undergo change. It is speculated that even the speed of light has not remained constant!)
As to smoking weed: this is my personal feeling, but I urge you not to abuse marijuana. For all the insight and pleasure that may be experienced through drug use, a dependence on drugs for enlightenment and pleasure constitutes a drug problem. Heavy drug use is a recipe for real problems, and also tends to point to underlying issues as well (low self esteem, depression, etc.) I know all this first hand, having had a serious marijuana problem, so it is not a judgment, but rather friendly advice. You would do well to use drugs in extreme moderation, if at all. Your heart and mind are all you need to know the universe and to know joy. Reliance on dope for pleasure and insight makes you weaker - it takes those properties that were within you and puts them outside of you.
Just some friendly thoughts. Peace.
Nick
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Jesus, academic syncretism.
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ack. really not going to touch this
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Belgium6769 Posts
On December 01 2007 09:41 sanftm00d wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 09:28 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Must there be a purpose in philosophy?
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yes the puspose of philosophy is knowledge
what i meant in my first post was that u took random parts of philosophy and mingled them together without them making much sense anymore, i really dont want to get into details about it because u dont seem to know much about philosophy
philosophy is not about putting out random thoughts about random things->u went from dimensions to time to the sense of life to a theory about the universe
about each of the different problems u adressed 100+books have been written about and it seems to me like u havent read one of them
i would advise u to focus one one problem read alot of books about it and then start to work on it
sorry i dont want to be harsh or something but talking some things that came to your mind while u where on drugs is NOT philosopy
edit: sorry just checked ur profile u are born 1989, so doenst make much sense to bash u for not knowing much about it, i hope u will keep on thinking about this things, but u'll notice that philosophy is really hard work if u want to do it in a correct way sorry again u are still to young for such things
Ahh, but ofcourse. I didnt want to portray myself as an all-knowing philosopher as I have indeed never had the chance to actually study it, only reading about these things often in spare time.
I dont believe that philosophy should be restricted only to people who have read thoroughly about it though, I feel it is a liberating process, even if the outcome might not be all correct or even discussed before. But either way, thanks for your input. Perhaps while this topic is still alive, you can address some problems with the knowledge (I assume) you have?
On December 01 2007 16:49 nA.Inky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Kudo's on thinking about some heavy stuff, Xeo. Keep at it, buddy!
I agree that time is motion. But how can slowing time be meaningful if everything is slower, including our clocks and our minds? We would notice no change.
Not a scientific fact, but I believe that the universe will not die out - it will continually re-invent itself for its own amusement. I believe all things are part of awareness within awareness within awareness. Awareness is the fundamental property of the universe. In my thinking, most humans are delusional in that they think only humanity is aware, and everything else is dead matter and energy. Really we are thoughts in a greater mind, just like our thoughts and minds are made up of smaller things. So I don't worry about entropy. The "laws" of the universe will change whenever the universe feels like changing them (increasingly physicists seem to believe that the "laws" of physics do undergo change. It is speculated that even the speed of light has not remained constant!)
As to smoking weed: this is my personal feeling, but I urge you not to abuse marijuana. For all the insight and pleasure that may be experienced through drug use, a dependence on drugs for enlightenment and pleasure constitutes a drug problem. Heavy drug use is a recipe for real problems, and also tends to point to underlying issues as well (low self esteem, depression, etc.) I know all this first hand, having had a serious marijuana problem, so it is not a judgment, but rather friendly advice. You would do well to use drugs in extreme moderation, if at all. Your heart and mind are all you need to know the universe and to know joy. Reliance on dope for pleasure and insight makes you weaker - it takes those properties that were within you and puts them outside of you.
Just some friendly thoughts. Peace.
Nick
Those are some great insights, Inky. Thanks, I'll be sure to think about them
As for the pot: Dont worry about it, I have my own mechanism of control on moderating the frequency of smoking. Smoking a lot like I did yesterday only happens from time to time. Somebody once posted a pretty cool description of how marihuana works, here on TL. I dont know wether it was 100% accurate but it sounded pretty logical, it went something like this: Weed can be used as a painkiller, since it numbs certain parts in your body. The same, however, counts for your brain, where parts that you often use in your everyday life and actions are being numbed. To make up for this, parts that are often left a bit untouched are being stimulated and forced to work out the situations you face. Could it be that because of the nature of these 'activated brainparts', the way you think and perceive takes a different path?
I dont think drugs, in this case pot, 'add' anything new to what you think. It just opens up paths in a way you usually wouldnt.
But thanks for the concern, I'll be sure to watch my step
On December 01 2007 18:06 oneofthem wrote:
ack. really not going to touch this
yea i was hoping you wouldnt
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You are a thoughtful fellow, Xeo, and you are right, philosophy shouldn't be closed off to anyone. People who think and delight in thinking are particularly suited to philosophy. There are many elitists that will come down on you, but the fact is, there are so many ways of thinking and seeing and interpreting and rather than just condemning so many of them, I prefer to admire the variety of thought.
Something to consider: the word amateur is related to the word love. An amateur is someone who loves what they do. I think it is pathetic for more serious students of philosophy to come down on amateur philosophers. Philosophy is for everyone, and one does not need to be an expert to enjoy and practice philosophy. One of the problems of modern societies is that the degree of specialization (division of labor) causes disconnection and alienation, between people, between organizations, between people and other life, and between people and the Earth. I would rather pursue integration and discussion between many different people of many different backgrounds. A society of experts is dangerous, and I think modern society exemplifies this fact.
Drugs can bring powerful insight and feeling, and I would be lying if I said I didn't appreciate their power (though I abstain.) Still, too many people reach a place where they depend on the drugs for a certain type of thinking or a certain type of experience. I am one of those that thinks that if you obtain some magical experience from a drug, you should spend far more time learning how to regain that experience WITHOUT the drug. This way you expand YOURSELF, rather than making yourself dependent on something external for a particular way of being.
There is a lot of talk about marijuana on both sides. Some will have you believing it is a miracle drug, that it can do no harm, and do only good. On the other side, there is the fact that there are some 60 active compounds within marijuana smoke, and they act singally and synergistically. As this process is so complicated, it is hard to say with certainty what long term effects this will have on your health. What we can be sure of is that smoking to get a "high" is probably not a process your body has evolved to cope with or require. Definitely err on the side of caution, but it sounds like you already are.... to an extent.
I do not mean to turn this discussion into a debate on drugs, just to really give a friendly warning... I smoked dope for years, and at one point I got up to smoking all day every day for 6 months straight. At the end of that 6 months, I had a very serious mental meltdown. It was very, very traumatic. Was it the dope that brought it on? Bad nutrition? Bad outlook on life? The Salvia I smoked a few times back then? The couple bad mushroom trips? I cannot say. I suspect it was a combination of all of these. Do exercise caution! Love your body and mind - these are your temple!
Nick / Inky
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