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On August 11 2007 00:34 Cpt Obvious wrote:
I just made an idiot out of myself by not checking before pompously claiming the guy was American.
My sincere apologies to the American people, that was unfair and pretty narrow-minded of myself. I owe you a beer, guys. We'll forgive you. Many Americans are like rebel, sad to say ,Most aren't tho.
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On August 11 2007 00:30 Hawk wrote:
I'd rather be adopted by gay parents that were 100% sure they were gay than be born to some dipshit who was led by a bunch of other dipshits in church to believe that being gay was wrong.
qft
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If a Christian homosexual feels guilty about his homosexuality, then he's fine. He'll probably never be able to get rid of his homosexual impulses, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad Christian. He's only a bad Christian if he does not seek forgiveness for his sins. Men are supposed to sin and ask for forgiveness. They're expected to resist sinning as much as possible, but seeing as how homosexuality can be so strong and natural, it's unlikely that many will succeed. However there is nothing special about it. Most Christians have at least one sin that they have never been able to fully control. Sins in themselves do not exclude anyone from Christianity or Heaven, else nobody would be a Christian or going to Heaven.
The problem occurs when a person identifies himself as a Christian and as a homosexual and feels no guilt about his homosexuality. In that case, the person must choose between Christianity and homosexuality. Homosexuality simply cannot be classified as sin-free behavior. Either that person must realize he is sinning and ask forgiveness from God, or he must abandon God.
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I don't know why everybody hates you RebelHeart. I honestly think you bring up very thought provoking topics which as a result get people arguing, but they are still interesting...
Personally, I am against homosexuality. Why? Well, I'm religious, but let's get that out of the way: pure science/biology.
Man+woman=baby.
If you want to ignore religion, such is the fundamental concept and point of living. To create a new generation.
Thus, homosexuality fails, and is in my opinion simply an attraction, but an attraction which one can get rid of.
Thanks.
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On August 10 2007 16:31 MarklarMarklar wrote:
rebelheart you sound like a enormous douchebag
just letting you know
*edit*
got tempbanned for this, it was worth it.
Na your stupid, calling him a douchebag just cause he has a different point of view as you.
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I really Believe You can change , some people say "but I was born this way" , as my pastor said the response would be "well you can be born again in Jesus Christ"
btw to people thinking we "Hate" homosexuals your definately wrong , we just dont agree with their lifestyle.
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On August 11 2007 00:34 Cpt Obvious wrote:
I just made an idiot out of myself by not checking before pompously claiming the guy was American.
My sincere apologies to the American people, that was unfair and pretty narrow-minded of myself. I owe you a beer, guys.
I believe I speak for all yankees when I say that I will let you slide this one time if you located the video of the German crocodile song!!
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On August 11 2007 01:10 NonY[rC] wrote:
If a Christian homosexual feels guilty about his homosexuality, then he's fine. He'll probably never be able to get rid of his homosexual impulses, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad Christian. He's only a bad Christian if he does not seek forgiveness for his sins. Men are supposed to sin and ask for forgiveness. They're expected to resist sinning as much as possible, but seeing as how homosexuality can be so strong and natural, it's unlikely that many will succeed. However there is nothing special about it. Most Christians have at least one sin that they have never been able to fully control. Sins in themselves do not exclude anyone from Christianity or Heaven, else nobody would be a Christian or going to Heaven.
The problem occurs when a person identifies himself as a Christian and as a homosexual and feels no guilt about his homosexuality. In that case, the person must choose between Christianity and homosexuality. Homosexuality simply cannot be classified as sin-free behavior. Either that person must realize he is sinning and ask forgiveness from God, or he must abandon God.
nice words and I agree : D
first off, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't hate GAY/men or LESBIAN/women people but it's the sin; hate the sin not the sinner (if you may know), the church treat them the same as men and women. The only thing it concerns about is its feelings towards same sex relationship called gayness just as for straight to have LUST to opposite sex. So if a person (gay, lesbain or not) tries to control over and eventually avoid such things to happen then theres no PROBLEM, everybody is happy. But like the Bible has quoted though that it's a difficult path to follow and only the strong survives.“And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Mt. 19:24) the path is not unpassable but only difficult though T_T
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It's really funny when I see homosexuals try to be acknowledge by their respective churches. Do you really NEED to be acknowledged as a Christian when you're a homosexual?
Christianity has a set of rules. It's weird that some people would want to break some of those rules and say that the "changing times" calls for a change of the rules just so that they can become Christian.
God says that homosexuality is immoral and a sin. Then, obviously, homosexuals are not welcome in Christianity.
God says that murder is a sin. Then, murderers are not welcome in Christianity.
God says that eating pork/swine is a sin. Then why are so many Christians eating pork? It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God has deemed it acceptable to eat pork.
Follow what God says: you're a Christian. Don't follow what he says: you're probably not a Christian. Simple as that. Homosexuals, stop trying to be acknowledged by the church. You shouldn't be. God is a loving and accepting God? Then why is punishment waiting in the end for sinners? He is a loving and accepting God of those who actually follow and obey him.
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On August 11 2007 01:10 NonY[rC] wrote:
If a Christian homosexual feels guilty about his homosexuality, then he's fine. He'll probably never be able to get rid of his homosexual impulses, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad Christian. He's only a bad Christian if he does not seek forgiveness for his sins. Men are supposed to sin and ask for forgiveness. They're expected to resist sinning as much as possible, but seeing as how homosexuality can be so strong and natural, it's unlikely that many will succeed. However there is nothing special about it. Most Christians have at least one sin that they have never been able to fully control. Sins in themselves do not exclude anyone from Christianity or Heaven, else nobody would be a Christian or going to Heaven.
The problem occurs when a person identifies himself as a Christian and as a homosexual and feels no guilt about his homosexuality. In that case, the person must choose between Christianity and homosexuality. Homosexuality simply cannot be classified as sin-free behavior. Either that person must realize he is sinning and ask forgiveness from God, or he must abandon God.
thats bull imo
having to feel guilty about something as important to you as your wife/male "partner"(thats such a shitty word imo) is pretty damn lame. Its not like something you could feel guilty about on a whim, it would be staring you in the face every day. Sorry but its just ridiculous.
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On August 11 2007 02:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:
God says that homosexuality is immoral and a sin. Then, obviously, homosexuals are not welcome in Christianity.
God says that murder is a sin. Then, murderers are not welcome in Christianity.
very correct... until a homosexual turns away from what he used to be then i guess theres no problem just as murderrers confesses and stops killing and pays for the lives he took then he has a chance to be a christian again.
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I think homosexuality is largely because of upbringing and surroundings.
I grew up on a farm. You never see any homosexuals in rural places. I was shocked when I went to Boston and saw the huge gay communities. It's weird how in the Bible it also shows this trend. Sodom and Gomorrah were the largest cities around. Abraham opted to live away from the city and in the countryside (something that was advocated to the Israelites: live in the country). His cousin, Lot, decided to live in Sodom and was exposed to the huge gay communities there.
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On August 11 2007 02:36 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2007 01:10 NonY[rC] wrote:
If a Christian homosexual feels guilty about his homosexuality, then he's fine. He'll probably never be able to get rid of his homosexual impulses, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad Christian. He's only a bad Christian if he does not seek forgiveness for his sins. Men are supposed to sin and ask for forgiveness. They're expected to resist sinning as much as possible, but seeing as how homosexuality can be so strong and natural, it's unlikely that many will succeed. However there is nothing special about it. Most Christians have at least one sin that they have never been able to fully control. Sins in themselves do not exclude anyone from Christianity or Heaven, else nobody would be a Christian or going to Heaven.
The problem occurs when a person identifies himself as a Christian and as a homosexual and feels no guilt about his homosexuality. In that case, the person must choose between Christianity and homosexuality. Homosexuality simply cannot be classified as sin-free behavior. Either that person must realize he is sinning and ask forgiveness from God, or he must abandon God. thats bull imo having to feel guilty about something as important to you as your wife/male "partner"(thats such a shitty word imo) is pretty damn lame. Its not like something you could feel guilty about on a whim, it would be staring you in the face every day. Sorry but its just ridiculous.
I didn't say anything about how important a relationship is to people.
If you feel that attached to that homosexual partner of yours, by all means go for it. But why would you bother believing in God at the same time? Nony almost has the right idea, but homosexuals shouldn't be going to church and feeling guilty.
As you said, Sadist, that's just bull.
Feeling guilty for your sins doesn't make you a Christian. For example: If you are a shoplifter, but you feel guilty and want to become a normal, upstanding citizen, then you'd better STOP STEALING! Feeling guilty is step 1. The final step is to actually stop it! If you don't, then you can't be considered a normal, upstanding citizen. Period.
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On August 11 2007 02:43 WhatisProtoss wrote:
I think homosexuality is largely because of upbringing and surroundings.
I grew up on a farm. You never see any homosexuals in rural places. I was shocked when I went to Boston and saw the huge gay communities. It's weird how in the Bible it also shows this trend. Sodom and Gomorrah were the largest cities around. Abraham opted to live away from the city and in the countryside (something that was advocated to the Israelites: live in the country). His cousin, Lot, decided to live in Sodom and was exposed to the huge gay communities there.
Imagine a rural area... not that many people right?
Well that means that there are not enough gay people to have a community.
And its likely people in rural areas are less tollerant. and everyone SHOULD know that in big cities people accept eachother to a much higher degree.
See my point?
There is something called BEING IN THE CLOSET, the percentage of gays does not vary in different nations, cities and regions. The percentage is incredibly close to eachother all over the world.
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Homosexuality is natural, it's not a sin. Some animals are homosexual too. It's a psychological issue. People/animals aren't born that way. And no it's also not a disease. It's also nothing to feel guilty about, although I guess that life must suck for homosexuals because it's so common to make fun of them.
Besides, that "be fruitful and multiply" bible shit is getting dangerous these days because of overpopulation / limit on earth's resources. If anyone would get 5-10 kids we would have birth control already.
Talk about Christians being nice, tolerant and so on... lol. You have no idea what's natural or unnatural or "a sin".
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On August 11 2007 02:58 Brutalisk wrote:
Homosexuality is natural, it's not a sin. Some animals are homosexual too. It's a psychological issue. People/animals aren't born that way. And no it's also not a disease. It's also nothing to feel guilty about, although I guess that life must suck for homosexuals because it's so common to make fun of them.
Besides, that "be fruitful and multiply" bible shit is getting dangerous these days because of overpopulation / limit on earth's resources. If anyone would get 5-10 kids we would have birth control already.
Talk about Christians being nice, tolerant and so on... lol. You have no idea what's natural or unnatural or "a sin".
Sin is a Christian thing. I'd think that the Bible dictates what is or is not a sin.
Homosexuality is explicitly defined in the Bible as a sin. Natural or unnatural, that's up to you to debate. But the Bible doesn't say "The fact that something is natural makes it acceptable."
Christians are supposed to be tolerant of sin? That's the last low blow that nonbelievers say to believers: "I thought Christians were supposed to be nice."
You have no idea of what the Bible says, so you try to say what is a sin or not. In the laws of Brutalisk, homosexuality is not a sin. In the laws of God, homosexuality is a sin. Who's laws are we talking about here? God's or Brutalisk's?
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Ahahahahaha... As soon as I heard this, I thought you were turning queer.
Sadly when I saw a wall of text, my brain shut down and I stopped caring.
Sigh, you had me so hyped up and you let me down. T.T
Now you guys talkin about fags and sin... the discussion just got 10x more stale for me.
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On August 11 2007 03:12 SuperJongMan wrote:
Ahahahahaha... As soon as I heard this, I thought you were turning queer.
Sadly when I saw a wall of text, my brain shut down and I stopped caring.
Sigh, you had me so hyped up and you let me down. T.T
Now you guys talkin about fags and sin... the discussion just got 10x more stale for me.
Whoa, fags? I think somebody deserves a tempban.
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On August 11 2007 02:58 Brutalisk wrote:
Homosexuality is natural no it isn't imo.
On August 11 2007 02:43 WhatisProtoss wrote:
I think homosexuality is largely because of upbringing and surroundings. as far as some studies is concerned you're right. i read somewhre The black community has the highest rates of fatherless homes and the highest rates of homosexuality and genetically it's possible too; i've ask some before that their grandpa or greatgrndpa was gay.
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On August 11 2007 03:18 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2007 03:12 SuperJongMan wrote:
Ahahahahaha... As soon as I heard this, I thought you were turning queer.
Sadly when I saw a wall of text, my brain shut down and I stopped caring.
Sigh, you had me so hyped up and you let me down. T.T
Now you guys talkin about fags and sin... the discussion just got 10x more stale for me. Whoa, fags? I think somebody deserves a tempban.
Agreed
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